personally I give 0 fucks about what he does with his fortune, charity is nice but is a rich person thing to do, while the true issue, the fact that he has become (in)voluntarily a starting point for the alt right pipe line still get completely ignored by himself and his fanbase.
I don't follow him or his content. I have no idea why kind of person he actually is.his ego simply does not allow it.
every single time PDP has been at the center of a controversy which he himself created he has never taken full responsibility for what he did, and why should he? he has a fanbase that would excuse him for murder.
maybe he will wise up and realize what abomination he has allowed festering around him, but I won't hold my breath.
You’re right, and your avatar rules!Wait...that post is from him?
From the way it's written it sounds like some nazi/globalist conspiracy garbage whining about the "MSM".
And honestly, a millionaire donating 50k to an at-best questionable organization is not going to somehow clear away any wrongdoings.
So to adjust for our different net worth if I shot a dog in the street for the “LoLs” and then donated $5 to the humane society with no apology for what I did just saying “I just want to put this behind me” you would define that as redemption?
That's a dumb argument, whether it's a lot of money to him or not is meaningless: It's about whether it's a lot of money to the recipient.
If Bezos did that it still wouldnt change the fact that he is a terrible human being that fuck over the planet and his work force.
Agreed.personally I give 0 fucks about what he does with his fortune, charity is nice but is a rich person thing to do, while the true issue, the fact that he has become (in)voluntarily a starting point for the alt right pipe line still get completely ignored by himself and his fanbase.
it's not the money, it's the people he is influencing.
The question was about redemption. Especially how much cheaper 50k is to a rich person then paying for lawyers, PR people or losing subscribers and fans.
This is baseless hyperbole. Donating $50k doesn't wash away every single problem someone has. And no-one in this thread (before your post anyway) has been saying anything like he's irredeemable for the rest of his life.Yeah, I get holding people responsible for their shit, and I get that some wrongs can't and shouldn't be cleared away, but people on this site are literally incapable of entertaining the notion of someone having grown as a person, changed their views, or just having become a better human being.
I did not get that impression from the article, but I guess I'm not sure what I'm looking for. I'm a little uncomfortable with the jump from, criticising an NGO, to hating Israel. Am I missing something?
The only thing dumb here are people celebrating pointless virtue signalling of people who possess enough wealth to change the world for the better and chose not do.
lmao this is too real. Some people here just love the taste of boot.Sometime in the not too distant future..
Known piece of garbage, Notch, donates $100,000 to a random organization. He tries to come up with an apology for his past behavior but less than halfway through it turns into a homophobic rant with a few sentences about how "it's okay to be white."
Cue a bunch of rubes coming out of the woodwork:
"We forgive you king!"
"So I guess ResetEra doesn't believe in forgiveness huh?!?"
"Have you donated $100,000?!? I didn't think so!"
"Notch is just a young 40 year old boy, he didn't know any better until now!"
Preach, brother.ADL is literally an anti-bigotry league. Him donating to them indicates he is willing to use his "brand" to stand against bigotry, no matter what he did in the past.
People on Era need to learn that a person is not worth one act, and one act alone. PDP is a shithead, and has acted like one in the past. That doesn't mean he can't try to change, or that he can't put himself on a path to redemption. He can, and hopefully he goes through with it. We should be hoping for that, for him as a person to be redeemed, and him as a public figure to be making a stand for the right thing, rather than continuing to treat him with suspicion when he is literally putting his money where his mouth is for the right thing. I understand being wary, so am I. But don't be so quick to dismiss the possibility of someone growing and getting better with time. Too many people on Era, most people on Era, fail to account for that, in their haste to "cancel".
Being critical of someone with as many repeat offences isn't turning something hateful into more hate, what a terrible take. Dude has been courting white supremacists and helped signal boost white supremacists, happily used racial slurs in his streams, we are not talking about a single incident or two here. Also, he is donating to a shitty organization.
And you've never, once, in your entire life, said something that was offensive? And then a couple of years later felt like that's something you shouldn't say? Why are we acting like it's not possible for someone to grow as a person? Couple that with someone like him who spends almost all of his time in the spotlight. I'm not saying that makes what he said okay, but I am saying that it's entirely possible that he's trying to be better. Instead, you've decided that that's impossible, and that we should take this action and ignore it. Let's only focus on the bad, instead. Yeah, let's keep doing that.Being critical of someone with as many repeat offences isn't turning something hateful into more hate, what a terrible take. Dude has been courting white supremacists and helped signal boost white supremacists, happily used racial slurs in his streams, we are not talking about a single incident or two here. Also, he is donating to a shitty organization.
I agree with you, that's what I am saying, you can't forgive a person no matter what, for his wrong doing, that's what I have learned here, all those movie, books, animation movies for kids, that teach forgiveness are all lies.
This is the most puzzling thing.So in order to make amends for the Christchurch shooting which killed over 50 Muslims he's donating to an pro-israeli organization, that stans for the IDF everytime they bomb Gaza and strip more land from the West Bank and promote Israeli apartheid?
As a Muslim fuck them both. The ADL more so than PDP, the ADL is an organization that under the guise of fighting bigotry acts as a PR sword and shield for Israel and has caused more harm to us Muslims and Arabs than that shithead youtuber ever could.
See, here's what's weird to me with this argument. I totally agree that very few people haven't done this.
He could have just donated and not said anything so let's be honest here. This is a PR move.Not arguing for his side here, but is it possible that the road to bettering yourself is a slow one? I'm not excusing his actions at all, but it seems like his act of making a donation is being construed as some kind of malicious act rather than one that means something. "Actions speak louder than words" is apparently only applicable to people you guys already like. This is a first step. If, in five years, he has done nothing more to promote equality, sure, quote this post and say I was wrong. I'll gladly eat my words. But c'mon, guys. Why is everybody trying to turn this into more hate?
Edit: I wasn't intending to quote a post here. Sorry, Tranqueris.
Seems like the ppl defending this don't care and/or have no issues with his actions.
Is this the sole issue though? Saying something offensive? Are you even engaging in good faith? Sure, as a dumb teenager I've said some things, but it didn't take me fucking years to recognize the harm and grow out of it. Do I get a medal now? What are you going to ask next? If I've ever donated 0.000001% of my networth to a shitty charity?
I never said that, but there is no evidence that suggests that he has grown. Doing a new non-apology video every now and then isn't a sign of growth. Continuously signal-boosting and buddying it up with white supremacists isn't a sign of growth. Giving 50 "Shut Up Dollars" to a terrible organization "to move on" isn't exactly a sign of growth.
Wow, so spending time in the spotlight makes you a bigot, didn't know that. PewDiePie is clearly the true victim here.
Read through the thread if you're actually interested in educating yourself on the matter, people have provided plenty of information on ADL. Also, 51 muslims were killed in the Christchurch shooting, ADL is an absolutely terrible choice on so many levels.And your point about his chosen organization: There is no scenario in which everyone in the world is happy with the organization he donated to. They have a sketchy history, but I sincerely doubt that he donated to them for the sole purpose of condoning their controversies. I assume he donated to support, you know, their main cause. Fighting anti-semitism. The thing they're known for internationally. But we're glossing over that, apparently.
His actions have and continues to be incredibly harmful to people with my complexion, so I hope that you'll forgive me for taking the "wait and see" approach. I will never understand PewDiePie stans or why some of you are so quick to forgive bigots.
You're missing my point. I'm not handwaving his actions. Your argument is hinged on me saying he only did "one thing" but I didn't say that. This was but one example. Please actually read my post.See, here's what's weird to me with this argument. I totally agree that very few people haven't done this.
But PewDiePie didn't just say one offensive thing. He started his career screaming "he's raping me" into a microphone. He got caught saying the N-word during a stream, went on to say "sometimes I forget that I'm recording" and nod along as his guest says that nobody watching actually cares, then PewDiePie went on to say "what a fucking nibber" several times before the stream was over. He made a bunch of Nazi jokes including paying people to hold up a sign that said "kill all jews". He demonized the media for calling him out. He mocked the Charlottesville riots. He recommended Neo-Nazi channels, plural, to his fans. He had Ben Shapiro as a guest. He followed a bunch of far right political figures on Twitter and liked posts that express views along those lines. He sicced his fans against a fellow streamer after she called him out for calling her a thot (that ho over there), then went on to say it's her fault for being called a thot because she prances around in a short skirt. He defended a Polish politician who said that women are less intelligent than men and told women to stop talking about income inequality.
I don't think that's super common either. Do you think most of the people in this thread have history that compares to that?
I did read your post, I just think it's horrendously naive in light of the reality of the situation. This isn't the first sign of PewDiePie's turnout. He's apologized before, which is inevitably followed by him doing worse things. He's donated money before, which is inevitable followed by him doing worse things.
and it's from someone who is asking is to focus on this one act and not the huge pattern of action that we've seen for years up to this one act.
I never once stated that I forgave him. Don't put words in my mouth.I never said that, but there is no evidence that suggests that he has grown. Doing a new non-apology video every now and then isn't a sign of growth. Continuously signal-boosting and buddying it up with white supremacists isn't a sign of growth. Giving 50 "Shut Up Dollars" to a terrible organization "to move on" isn't exactly a sign of growth.
Wow, so spending time in the spotlight makes you a bigot, didn't know that. PewDiePie is clearly the true victim here.
Read through the thread if you're actually interested in educating yourself on the matter, people have provided plenty of information on ADL. Also, 51 muslims were killed in the Christchurch shooting, ADL is an absolutely terrible choice on so many levels.
His actions have and continues to be incredibly harmful to people with my complexion, so I hope that you'll forgive for taking the "wait and see" approach. I will never understand PewDiePie stans or why some of you are so quick to forgive bigots.
Hey, I’m not using the N word, making videos dressed in Nazi garb or making videos cultivating alt-right shitheads. I’m not inspiring Muslim mosque mass shootings and getting shout outs from shooters. I’m not donating to anti-Muslim organizations AFTER someone who gave me a shout out before mass shooting a mosque. Believe it or not some of us manage to be decent human beings. Stop that classic drag us all into the mud with you tactic.I never once stated that I forgave him. Don't put words in my mouth.
As far as his statement goes: I will give you that. What he said was not an apology.
I know about the ADL and I know about their views. Look at it this way. I bet a bunch of people here who are shaming him for his choice of organization have supported the Susan G Komen foundation or the American Red Cross at some point in their lives. Does that make their donations any less meaningful? Arguably. Does their choice of organization make them worse people? In my eyes, definitely not.
Do I think everyone should forgive him? No. Make your own choices, have your own opinions. Do I forgive him? No. I haven't seen enough happen to feel comfortable doing so. Do I think he's taking a step in the right direction? Absolutely. That's my whole argument.