I mean, from his perspective - yeah.
But while the concept of 'moving on' doesn't change the past. Ultimately it's what everyone has to do. Hopefully he moves forward by not repeating the shit he's done before.
At first glance, I think this is actually wonderful, and really seems to represent an attempt at the sort of responsibility people hope for in public figures. I don't have any reason to take it at face value considering his past, but there are good signs here. If this shifts the needle on the discourse surrounding PDP (particularly among fans) even just a bit, it's a broad benefit. Specifically mentioning the ADL's past criticism of him without any sort of quip suggests serious thought and good intent by Kjellberg.
Could have picked a much better organization. ADL promotes apartheid, white supremacy, and islamophobia on the regular. The alt-right should feel right at home with them.
Don't get it twisted, I'd be quite surprised if anyone here wants him to continue to be racist. We just doubt his ability to change given the many opportunities he's squandered to do so.
No growth, only gallowsI learned from resetera that if you done anything bad in your life it's impossible to redeem yourself.
I'm not getting it twisted. There are people in this thread who are almost offended by this donation. It's a bizarre way to react.
Can someone explain the issues with the ADL? I feel like I'm expected to know them already, and google is not helping much.
Based on his statement, thread title should read "PewDiePie donates money to the ADL in order to spite his haters and the MSM"
wow, I'm really impressed with how low people standards are for a rich and famous racist white dude to redeem himself
the bar is so low.
Pewdiepie could move on from his past and do good things. Wouldn't get credit for it on here though.
i know right? not only that but also in the ''apology'' blaming the MSM and not admitting any culpability so it comes off as insincere.i'm offended that people are so gullible and not even reading up on what ADL is
Talk about not having a clue but wanting to throw the whole forum under the bus for little reason.No growth, only gallows
I'm sure most of those posters are glad their own histories aren't so public.
Edit: don't get me wrong, i think PDP is a piece of shit and never liked him but it's true that Era revels in #CancelCulture. I like to think of this forum as pretty progressive but you literally can't have progress if people aren't allowed to learn and grow
No growth, only gallows
I'm sure most of those posters are glad their own histories aren't so public.
Edit: don't get me wrong, i think PDP is a piece of shit and never liked him but it's true that Era revels in #CancelCulture. I like to think of this forum as pretty progressive but you literally can't have progress if people aren't allowed to learn and grow
You know what is a bizarre way to react?I'm not getting it twisted. There are people in this thread who are almost offended by this donation. It's a bizarre way to react.
No growth, only gallows
I'm sure most of those posters are glad their own histories aren't so public.
Edit: don't get me wrong, i think PDP is a piece of shit and never liked him but it's true that Era revels in #CancelCulture. I like to think of this forum as pretty progressive but you literally can't have progress if people aren't allowed to learn and grow
You should check it out beyond the first glance. Did you read about what ADL does? Are you aware how minuscule 50K is for PDP? And did you read his statement about "moving on"?
Yeah!Pewdiepie could move on from his past and do good things. Wouldn't get credit for it on here though.
I'm not getting it twisted. There are people in this thread who are almost offended by this donation. It's a bizarre way to react.
Thank you. I'd read the Wikipedia entry, but the Boston Review article was much more informative. If the two halves of my family (fundamentalist evangelicals vs liberal new york jews) sat down to eat, this would probably be a thing they'd eventually get around to fighting over.
You know what is a bizarre way to react?
Seeing him repeatedly say, do or enable other racist things without acknowledging the core issues and influence him doing so could have.
Seeing that he was following nearly every alt right/enabler bigot on twitter only to do a complete purge of his twitter account when people realised and brought attention to it.
Seeing him promote anti semetic and bigoted channels and then downplay the platform and influence he has on doing so while also lying about the amount of precious interactions he has had with said channels.
Seeing that PDP has never once given a sincere apology for his actions, always saying the bare minimum before spending 10 times as long in the same video complaining about mainstream media being against him.
Seeing him giving away a relative pittance as charity to a problematic organisation whist he ignores his past actions and the consequences of them and shifts the blame purely on the mainstream media by accusing them of influencing people by twisting what happened with him previously.
Seeing tonnes of people in this thread and countless others detail all of these points and the reasoning for why they don't believe his sincerity only to then shit on those people, accuse Era of being incapable of forgiveness and completely ignore every fact brought up just to defend someone you and others apparently don't actually like.
That's truly fucking bizarre!
It's weird that so many posters here seemingly would prefer that PDP continues to be a racist and whatnot, because it would mean they don't have to acknowledge that people can change for the better.
I'm not saying PDP will change or that this donation shows that he has, but there's a very weird vibe coming from a lot of the posters in this thread. It goes beyond an unwillingness to forgive.
Doubt his sincerity if you want, I don't think anyone would begrudge you for that, but the refusal to acknowledge this donation as anything but a positive thing is just being spiteful for the sake of it.
This. Actions matter, and this seems like an honest move. I'm willing to take him at face value, but he needs to do more going forward. This can't be a one and done, he's done to much harm for this to wash everything away.I'm glad he's taking a stand, just wish he had done it sooner. I hope he keeps speaking out.
I'm familiar enough with the ADL to have been critical of their reaction recommending against the Park51 Community Center at the time. I still think their work is broadly positive, and I've seen my share of right-wing types spreading negative propaganda about them because of things like their direct call-outs against white supremacist groups and gun-regulation positions (on top of the group's general pro multi-cultural advocacy).
I'm not going to gripe about this amount of money vs Kjellberg's net worth. That's just how I'm reading this situation. If he had given like...$1500, I'd certainly feel differently, but this doesn't strike me as a pittance. I'm not going to go out of my way to criticize someone else for disagreeing with that. That being said, I have to honestly disagree with someone who thinks these developments from PDP aren't a positive shift, and the kind of thing that will make any future bad behavior on his part significantly easier to hold him accountable for.
The bar is really that low for forgiving rich racist white men for doing absolutely the bare minimum, huh
and in this case, supporting an anti-Muslim and anti-Palestinian organization like ADL should send all kinds of warning signals. But I guess people just want to be comfortable and ease the tensions. That you consider their work "broadly positive" is a sick joke.
Pewdiepie could move on from his past and do good things. Wouldn't get credit for it on here though.
Call me when this happen. I will gladly compliment him.Pewdiepie could move on from his past and do good things. Wouldn't get credit for it on here though.
No you didn't.
That doesn't cover anything I have said. My point explicitly states that everything before during and after this payment has problems with it.It's weird that so many posters here seemingly would prefer that PDP continues to be a racist and whatnot, because it would mean they don't have to acknowledge that people can change for the better.
I'm not saying PDP will change or that this donation shows that he has, but there's a very weird vibe coming from a lot of the posters in this thread. It goes beyond an unwillingness to forgive.
Doubt his sincerity if you want, I don't think anyone would begrudge you for that, but the refusal to acknowledge this donation as anything but a positive thing is just being spiteful for the sake of it.
No you didn't.
This was your post:
That doesn't cover anything I have said. My point explicitly states that everything before during and after this payment has problems with it.
He hasn't shown any sincere change.
The money is not only a tiny amount for him but is also to an organisation that many have a problem with.
His comment with the payment avoids any form or responsibility and blames the media for what had happened.
How exactly did your post address any of these points?