I mean, from his perspective - yeah.
But while the concept of 'moving on' doesn't change the past. Ultimately it's what everyone has to do. Hopefully he moves forward by not repeating the shit he's done before.
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PewDiePie donates $50,000 to the Anti-Defamation League to apologize for Christchurch Shooting, surprises some "fans"
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I mean, from his perspective - yeah.
But while the concept of 'moving on' doesn't change the past. Ultimately it's what everyone has to do. Hopefully he moves forward by not repeating the shit he's done before.
At first glance, I think this is actually wonderful, and really seems to represent an attempt at the sort of responsibility people hope for in public figures. I don't have any reason to take it at face value considering his past, but there are good signs here. If this shifts the needle on the discourse surrounding PDP (particularly among fans) even just a bit, it's a broad benefit. Specifically mentioning the ADL's past criticism of him without any sort of quip suggests serious thought and good intent by Kjellberg.
You should check it out beyond the first glance. Did you read about what ADL does? Are you aware how minuscule 50K is for PDP? And did you read his statement about "moving on"?
Remember folks, Christchurch shooting took place 6 months ago. Serious PR move by PDP here to coincide his apology with 9/11. Serious 4D chess.
It's weird that so many posters here seemingly would prefer that PDP continues to be a racist and whatnot, because it would mean they don't have to acknowledge that people can change for the better.
I'm not saying PDP will change or that this donation shows that he has, but there's a very weird vibe coming from a lot of the posters in this thread. It goes beyond an unwillingness to forgive.
Doubt his sincerity if you want, I don't think anyone would begrudge you for that, but the refusal to acknowledge this donation as anything but a positive thing is just being spiteful for the sake of it.
I'm not saying PDP will change or that this donation shows that he has, but there's a very weird vibe coming from a lot of the posters in this thread. It goes beyond an unwillingness to forgive.
Doubt his sincerity if you want, I don't think anyone would begrudge you for that, but the refusal to acknowledge this donation as anything but a positive thing is just being spiteful for the sake of it.
Pewdiepie could move on from his past and do good things. Wouldn't get credit for it on here though.
He still hasn't admitted that he's done anything wrong or what he did wrong so hey nice gesture but I'm still dubious about the guy.
I'm not getting it twisted. There are people in this thread who are almost offended by this donation. It's a bizarre way to react.
No growth, only gallows
I'm sure most of those posters are glad their own histories aren't so public.
Edit: don't get me wrong, i think PDP is a piece of shit and never liked him but it's true that Era revels in #CancelCulture. I like to think of this forum as pretty progressive but you literally can't have progress if people aren't allowed to learn and grow
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i'm offended that people are so gullible and not even reading up on what ADL is
Can someone explain the issues with the ADL? I feel like I'm expected to know them already, and google is not helping much.
Yep
Remember when Trump fired a guy he hired? Like yesterday?
Yes, he could grow up. Tell us when he does.
i know right? not only that but also in the ''apology'' blaming the MSM and not admitting any culpability so it comes off as insincere.
Talk about not having a clue but wanting to throw the whole forum under the bus for little reason.
yeah learn and grow by donating what is basically an hours of wage to a settler colonial organization
all the racist shit he did and all the nazis he is in bed with is totally okay, he has obviously learned and grown
You know what is a bizarre way to react?
Seeing him repeatedly say, do or enable other racist things without acknowledging the core issues and influence him doing so could have.
Seeing that he was following nearly every alt right/enabler bigot on twitter only to do a complete purge of his twitter account when people realised and brought attention to it.
Seeing him promote anti semetic and bigoted channels and then downplay the platform and influence he has on doing so while also lying about the amount of precious interactions he has had with said channels.
Seeing that PDP has never once given a sincere apology for his actions, always saying the bare minimum before spending 10 times as long in the same video complaining about mainstream media being against him.
Seeing him giving away a relative pittance as charity to a problematic organisation whist he ignores his past actions and the consequences of them and shifts the blame purely on the mainstream media by accusing them of influencing people by twisting what happened with him previously.
Seeing tonnes of people in this thread and countless others detail all of these points and the reasoning for why they don't believe his sincerity only to then shit on those people, accuse Era of being incapable of forgiveness and completely ignore every fact brought up just to defend someone you and others apparently don't actually like.
That's truly fucking bizarre!
To repeat myself and to use your phrasing, tell us when the 29 year old piece of shit grows up
I'm familiar enough with the ADL to have been critical of their reaction recommending against the Park51 Community Center at the time. I still think their work is broadly positive, and I've seen my share of right-wing types spreading negative propaganda about them because of things like their direct call-outs against white supremacist groups and gun-regulation positions (on top of the group's general pro multi-cultural advocacy).
I'm not going to gripe about this amount of money vs Kjellberg's net worth. That's just how I'm reading this situation. If he had given like...$1500, I'd certainly feel differently, but this doesn't strike me as a pittance. I'm not going to go out of my way to criticize someone else for disagreeing with that. That being said, I have to honestly disagree with someone who thinks these developments from PDP aren't a positive shift, and the kind of thing that will make any future bad behavior on his part significantly easier to hold him accountable for.
Yeah!
Like, remember that time he used the n-word and then apologized for it and said he'd never do it again? And then he never did it again?
Oh, wait. He did do it again. Two days later.
Christ. What kind of marks do you people have to be to buy into his bullshit?
I mean if he wants to distance himself from islamaphobia then supporting the ADL is very far from the right way to go about it.
Thank you. I'd read the Wikipedia entry, but the Boston Review article was much more informative. If the two halves of my family (fundamentalist evangelicals vs liberal new york jews) sat down to eat, this would probably be a thing they'd eventually get around to fighting over.
What the fuck is this? We "Doubt his sincerity" because he's a total rat fuck who gets away with normalizing and pushing the agenda of white supremacy because he's internet famous, which, by the way, he got purely by luck, as it's well known he only got so famous in the first place because yelling rape at the top of your lungs playing Slenderman was hip at the time he accidentally gamed the advertising algorithm and got thousands of times more publicity then anyone else.
We want him to stay racist!?! WE WANT HIM TO MAKE AN ACTUAL EFFORT TO UNDO PROBLEMS HE CREATED!!!
50k on a paycheck like his to a bigoted charity while expressing only a desire to move on from controversy is less then fucking dirt. You and anyone else's willingness to allow him the benefit of the doubt without looking for or at least asking for proper information on why this means nothing or why he's bad are protecting him with ignorance.
Before you start talking mad shit about PewDiePie "haters," you best educate yourself. Internet normalization of garbage people has twisted and malformed people's perceptions of real apologies and actual commitment to change, and we cannot tolerate that.
Edit: I apologize, I was far too hostile in my response, but I stand by my core point. He is not trying to do better. He will NEVER try, because he doesn't have to. He has too many people kissing his feet and attacking detractors on his vague, plausibly deniable command. And if he did indeed try, and put in the real personal sacrifice necessary to regain trust and undo probolomatic behaviour, you will hear it from me. But he never will. I wish it wasn't true, but his History and current actions speak for themselves.
This. Actions matter, and this seems like an honest move. I'm willing to take him at face value, but he needs to do more going forward. This can't be a one and done, he's done to much harm for this to wash everything away.
Good on him. Didn't watch content from him for a long long time now, maybe never will again as I feel like I've grown to a different person with different interests. Still, no matter what a person did, you always should be able to change and to redeem yourself. Got to accept that this is a nice move and 50.000 is a lot.
Reading up on the ADL and... hmmmm.
Even if the organization itself was considered reputable, this stinks of a meaningless stunt for some PR considering he seems to take no actual responsibility for himself.
Even if the organization itself was considered reputable, this stinks of a meaningless stunt for some PR considering he seems to take no actual responsibility for himself.
The bar is really that low for forgiving rich racist white men for doing absolutely the bare minimum, huh
and in this case, supporting an anti-Muslim and anti-Palestinian organization like ADL should send all kinds of warning signals. But I guess people just want to be comfortable and ease the tensions. That you consider their work "broadly positive" is a sick joke.
As I said, my view isn't one of forgiveness, but progress that makes accountability a simple thing moving forward. I know there are complicated issues behind these groups, but considering your tone, I'm happy to ignore you.
Or you could read up on ADL:
He would get credit from me. The problem is that $50,000 is a minuscule amount to someone who is worth at least $20 million dollars. Often times with rich people, money is given to charity for good PR and for tax breaks. I don't know if the tax breaks apply to him at all in Sweden but at least in the United States, that is often the case. So, this donation doesn't move the needle much for me either way.
No you didn't.
This was your post:
That doesn't cover anything I have said. My point explicitly states that everything before during and after this payment has problems with it.
He hasn't shown any sincere change.
The money is not only a tiny amount for him but is also to an organisation that many have a problem with.
His comment with the payment avoids any form or responsibility and blames the media for what had happened.
How exactly did your post address any of these points?
Do you want me to just quote my entire post again?
"Doubt his sincerity if you want, I don't think anyone would begrudge you for that"
If you really want I can go and quote some of the specific posts I'm talking about. If you feel like my post doesn't apply to you then maybe it doesn't but it definitely does apply to some other posters in this thread.
Also kinda piss off with 50k being a small amount. It's a lot more than most people make in a year, it's a significant sum of money. How proportional it is to his net worth isn't really relevant. "Why not give more" is a shitty stance to take.
When the "MSM" are already subject to threats and bombs being sent to their offices by POTUS's followers, making any statement that paints them in much the same way as POTUS does is extremely irresponsible. And it's reprehensible to see so many posters ignoring that.
I'd like to say I think he's genuinely concerned but I can't. The massacre took place 6 months ago, it's way too late.
He was unable to take a firm stand when a mass shooter quoted him and considering his past actions, I don't feel like giving him the benefit of the doubt.
All I can hope is to be proven wrong in the future.
He was unable to take a firm stand when a mass shooter quoted him and considering his past actions, I don't feel like giving him the benefit of the doubt.
All I can hope is to be proven wrong in the future.
I love that someone was still able to include a post in the thread with "aw shucks, he's just a very, very, very young man who's almost in his 30s, he's trying to change!"
Haven't seen that one used in a while.
Haven't seen that one used in a while.