Even if you're uninformed about the problems with the ADL, how could you look at that statement and think he's changed? All he does is blame the 'MSM' and fails to take responsibility for his actions.
Edit: don't get me wrong, i think PDP is a piece of shit and never liked him but it's true that Era revels in #CancelCulture. I like to think of this forum as pretty progressive but you literally can't have progress if people aren't allowed to learn and grow
It's a dumb fucking point to begin with.Oh wow 50K? That's almost 0.2% of his estimated net worth
€: Wrong math lol, legitimately embarassed by that omg. But it doesn't change the point i'm tryna make.
I feel like it's a vocal minority on here that scream and shout for permanently canceling someone. But really it depends on the context. Often times people caught in the wrong pout and wait far too long or repeat their offenses that make it much harder for people to take their apology or change in good faith. Depending on the amount and length of "damage" these figures have done, they'll need a much more demonstrably genuine display of remorse. Where I think it's ridiculous are cases like Kevin Hart or Sean Murray where no matter what they do or say for transgressions made years ago, people are still out for blood. These tend to be the loudest and most stubborn when it comes to discussion and should be ignored as such.I learned from resetera that if you done anything bad in your life it's impossible to redeem yourself.
listen, I just want to being able to follow funny man without the sliver of conscience I still have telling me that I am an enabling piece of garbage, and if everything my boy felix has done (?) is not enough...Even if you're uninformed about the problems with the ADL, how could you look at that statement and think he's changed? All he does is blame the 'MSM' and fails to take responsibility for his actions.
I already did quote your whole post but let's tackle a couple of points you made.Do you want me to just quote my entire post again?
"Doubt his sincerity if you want, I don't think anyone would begrudge you for that"
If you really want I can go and quote some of the specific posts I'm talking about. If you feel like my post doesn't apply to you then maybe it doesn't but it definitely does apply to some other posters in this thread.
Also kinda piss off with 50k being a small amount. It's a lot more than most people make in a year, it's a significant sum of money. How proportional it is to his net worth isn't really relevant. "Why not give more" is a shitty stance to take.
In your rebuttal you conviently left out the second half of that point. I clearly laid out why this isn't a purely positive action and that there is a logical reason for not gushing over it which isn't being spiteful.Doubt his sincerity if you want, I don't think anyone would begrudge you for that, but the refusal to acknowledge this donation as anything but a positive thing is just being spiteful for the sake of it.
I have not seen any posts that haven't been justified in the reasoning for being sceptical or dismissive or the supposed good nature of this donation. People keep laying out why some of us have a problem with this yet you and other keep trying to portray the narrative that some people here will just hate him regardless of what good he does.I'm not saying PDP will change or that this donation shows that he has, but there's a very weird vibe coming from a lot of the posters in this thread. It goes beyond an unwillingness to forgive.
Its about perspective.Also kinda piss off with 50k being a small amount. It's a lot more than most people make in a year, it's a significant sum of money. How proportional it is to his net worth isn't really relevant. "Why not give more" is a shitty stance to take.
I feel like it's a vocal minority on here that scream and shout for permanently canceling someone. But really it depends on the context. Often times people caught in the wrong pout and wait far too long or repeat their offenses that make it much harder for people to take their apology or change in good faith. Depending on the amount and length of "damage" these figures have done, they'll need a much more demonstrably genuine display of remorse. Where I think it's ridiculous are cases like Kevin Hart or Sean Murray where no matter what they do or say for transgressions made years ago, people are still out for blood. These tend to be the loudest and most stubborn when it comes to discussion and should be ignored as such.
It's a dumb fucking point to begin with.
Even if he gave 10$ it would still help, how much did you gave btw?
0,0% of your estimated net worth?
Thank you. I'd read the Wikipedia entry, but the Boston Review article was much more informative.
He would get credit from me. The problem is that $50,000 is a minuscule amount to someone who is worth at least $20 million dollars. Often times with rich people, money is given to charity for good PR and for tax breaks. I don't know if the tax breaks apply to him at all in Sweden but at least in the United States, that is often the case. So, this donation doesn't move the needle much for me either way.
Just to reiterate, if I've given a greater percentage of my networth to causes than this guy and my literal career is in this area, does that somehow lend my criticism of this guy's actions additional credibility?It's a dumb fucking point to begin with.
Even if he gave 10$ it would still help, how much did you gave btw?
0,0% of your estimated net worth?
True.People are just super willing to jump on the first thing that allows them to forgive a famous racist, so that they can move on and become comfortable again. They would like any reason to simply forget about an issue, so they just take anything at face value, especially if it's coming from a white dude who claims he's made "amends"
They are just looking for an excuse to be comfortable
The reason people are assuming he has a nefarious motive is because of the comment that went with it.Sure. But why assume that he's doing it for nefarious or tax reasons. I'm not saying that he's redeemed himself, more that I get the impression that nothing he could do would be good enough for some people. Having said that, the issue seems to be more about the types of people that have associated themselves with him as much as it is the guy himself. Perhaps if he carries on, the extremist types will disown him which is good for him and for everyone else.
Re: Hart, it was a bit he did over a decade ago that was the most damaging? He stepped down from hosting the Oscars and issued an apology. Most recently, he feigned ignorance on why a young black man would have trouble coming out in his community, which honestly was just an overcorrection to his past in poor taste. But it was another situation of "CANCEL THIS FUCKER" when in reality he has made public statements and is trying (although not always in good taste) to change his public handling of the subject.Kevin Hart's biggest transgressions AFAIK were to make gross, violent, homophobic comments in a society that still causes harm to many in LGBTQ+ communities.
Sean Murray overpromised/lied about a game(AFAIK).
I get what you were going for, but, again AFAIK, I don't think it's fair that they are mentioned in the same sentence like that.
It's counterbalanced by the fact that 99% of his critics probably haven't paraded around in Nazi gear for laughs, or amplified alt-right voices, or paid poor Indians to hold up a sign saying "Death to All Jews," or had a mass murderer shout their name before committing an anti-Muslim hate crime that tore families and a nation apart.Nice. With one step he's done more than 99% of his his critics in this thread.
By blaming the 'MSM' and throwing money at a group that many have legitimate criticisms of?Nice. With one step he's done more than 99% of his critics in this thread.
Nice. With one step he's done more than 99% of his critics in this thread.
not in public.
he should probably give at least half of his fortune to BDS or Movement for Black Lives, that would be a start. And not some neofascist organization like ADL.
then he could also start cleaning up house and speak up against nazis and racists, that would be another thing he could do
there's tons of things beyond the bare minimum he could do.
Nice. With one step he's done more than 99% of his critics in this thread.
He seems more concerned with mainstream media than actually doing right. However, it's still a good start. Also, hearing about his nutjob fans having meltdowns is hilarious.
Just say you will never forgive him instead of nonsense like donating half his worth.
considering he has a persecution complex regarding the MSM, I'm not surprised.He seems more concerned with mainstream media than actually doing right. However, it's still a good start. Also, hearing about his nutjob fans having meltdowns is hilarious.
i think the multi-millionaire will survive with "only" half of the several millions of dollars he has if that's what you're worried about
reddit and YT comment section.Also where the fuck are the so-called fans' reactions?
People love pointing that part out but are not showing the receipts.
Maybe the relation to Sean Murray is a reach, but it is another public figure who overpromised, but worked tirelessly to exceed those promises and more, yet is still "cancelled" and villainized amongst a stringent group of detractors who will never let him live his misleading marketing down.
Nice. With one step he's done more than 99% of his critics in this thread.
it must being nice being rich and white. being able to throw money at your fuck ups and having hundreds of people storming to defend you on an internet forum.Gotta admit, I did read that as 'I Tofer, fully support his racist and antisemitic actions and enjoy with glee his "jail free card" action to own the libs'
I'm not worried about anything. You are just suggesting something that NO ONE would do, including yourself if you had it.
That's unfortunateGotta admit, I did read that as 'I Tofer, fully support his racist and antisemitic actions and enjoy with glee his "jail free card" action to own the libs'
his ego simply does not allow it.He seems like a smart enough guy to see this as evidence that his content actually has attracted an audience of terrible people.
Where I think it's ridiculous are cases like Kevin Hart or Sean Murray where no matter what they do or say for transgressions made years ago, people are still out for blood. These tend to be the loudest and most stubborn when it comes to discussion and should be ignored as such.
it must being nice being rich and white. being able to throw money at your fuck ups and having hundreds of people storming to defend you on an internet forum.
People here really find something to complain about in everything.