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PewDiePie promotes known white supremacist... again.
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A normal high-ground? You don't need any height when a person have "DEATH TO ALL JEWS" in his video as an example.
Oh, I see people are defending this nazi asshole once again. It's only the 20th time he behaved like a Nazi, he just didn't know better...
I wonder why YouTube doesn't start banning these Nazi dipsshits. Oh, right, clicks.
I wonder why YouTube doesn't start banning these Nazi dipsshits. Oh, right, clicks.
i dont think this is overreaction. after the "death to all jews" scandal and his phony defense he should distance himself for a while but he is doing it again.
Fact: I don't watch Pewdiepie.
Fact: I don't know what Tik Tok is.
Fact: I don't know who "Baked Alaska" is.
Fact: This thread informed me of what Tik Tok is and who Baked Alaska is, leading to me checking them out to fact-check this thread.
Fact: "Baked Alaska" is now known to at least one more person in the world, me.
Well, apparently it is HUGE and widespread enough to promote the Alaska guy more than PDP with his 80m subscribers and 4.2m views on this video.
Maybe you need to backtrack a bit and see what the conversation I was quoting was about.
The one where I'm not a racist or promoting racists? Seems like a pretty easy one to be on (and no, I'm not just referring to this incident when talking about pdp).
I feel people are just reaching at straws now to throw something at him.
He might not be the best of the best people on this planet and he's been embroiled in quite a lot of controversies in the past, but this video in particular is just a tiktok video compilation reaction.
How is he promoting the baked whatever dude. I just don't understand.
"Man stop denouncing Nazis
! you are promoting them this way, if you didn't talk about them people wouldn't know them and Nazis wouldn't exist. That's how it works"
! you are promoting them this way, if you didn't talk about them people wouldn't know them and Nazis wouldn't exist. That's how it works"
And none of these facts could possibly lead to the conclusion that the tweets and articles did more to promote tha Alaska guy than PDP.
I don't even know the guy or what he did. As active as I am on watching Youtube, never once have I saw any of his videos on my recommended, and none about him.
For all I know, each people reaching this hard for this topic is as terrible a person as he appears to be.
Maybe some people would've know who that guy from video is, but this thread and tweeting about it has promote that guy much more than PDP
The fact that some people in here probably would consider me a "nazi defender" or "alt-right" because I don't think someone watching a TikTok video that happened to have some, for the vast majority it would seem, unknown racist asshole in it is the same as "promoting a white supremacist" kind of annoys me to be honest.
There you go.
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It's also kinda offensive for people who aren't even Americans, or whatever race the Nazis are supposed to be nowadays.
Get your head out of your bums. Not everyone cares about your politics.
This thread alone has multiple people saying that they didn't know him before, but know him now because of this thread and tweets. I am one of those.
When you have an history of promoting white supremacist shit, you are accountable for whatever white supremacist that appears in your channel. It keeps happening and he's not doing shit to do something about it.
A bad rep amongst who, KotakuInAction?
Era is a lot more forgiving than GAF was, stop clowning around.
The reason PDP is dogpiled here is because the community isn't starry-eyed 11 year olds who instantly forgave PDP for "death to all Jews" and his latest plug of a white supremacist YT channel which he remarked about the Nazi stuff "I don't care about that".
Wait are you debating whether the person in the video is a white supremacist? Am I reading this correctly? You are scared to label someone that labels themselves as a Neo-Nazi?
This place has a bad rep because there are a ton of people in the community not willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the largest YouTuber who has the responsibility to do some fucking research before including Nazi shitlords like this in his videos. Whether or not it's intentional, who gives a crap, it's reckless and lazy. The constant whining about the ERA hivemind instead of actually talking about the problems with Neo-Nazis on YouTube and how little Pewdiepie seems to think about his responsibility to his audience.
Is this more than the number of people who got to know this guy because of PDP?
Also, making something / someone known is NOT promotion. I also didn't know about that guy, but now I know to avoid him at all cost. Good promotion indeed.
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Will all the people whining about the ERA hivemind please stop? It's a disingenuous pointless argument. The irony of the argument is there is constant pushback to this very subject which completely invalidates it. Fucking stop it.
I watched PDP video. Thers no mention to this guy name or channel anywhere, so yes this thread and the tweet made a better job of promoting the anti-semite guy than PDP did. No one that watched PDP video will know who he is unless they already knew him. Also the content in the video is completly harmless, its a dude dancing a meme and PDP laughting at him.
Only thing the PDP is promoting in this particular video is the Tik Tok platform.
Said it was a mistake and then acted like a victim, like he always does.
This claim makes no sense. Era and one Twitter user combined be still has nowhere near the reach or influence of PDP. In the video, a pretty well known white supremacist is presented in a fun and funny context that makes him seem harmless. In this thread, the context is added.
It only "promotes" the racist to people who are already racist when the concern is obviously that PDP, accidentally or not, keeps introducing his audience of impressionable young people to horrible racists in a context where they would not have any idea what ideas they will be subjected to -- often presented in a fun and humourous way -- should they seek these creators out for more.
Yeah I struggled understanding that person as well. I just summed it up as "I don't want to know about these things, also here's a picture of Dave Chappelle doing his black white supremacist bit."
Except this thread and tweet are CONDEMNING this person. Pewdiepie is LAUGHING at him. There is nothing harmless about Nazis. We have a huge thread debunking Jordan Peterson here, that ain't promotion. It's discussing the problems of his rhetoric, etc.
Era wishes it could be like GAF when the old moderator team was in charge.
Nah I'm sorry. They are going this hard at PDP this time for a 5 second clip with nothing on it.
I am not a fan of the dude and the Nazi stuff was very questionable but this? Nope. This is big and the Baked guy is on the spotlight because someone wanted to get some popularity credits by being the person that "discovered" the evil plot.
Unless it was brought to light by Jared Holt not a lot of people would know or care. Reading up on him it seem he is another one of these SJ celebrities that gets off getting followers and likes from bringing these people to light. It's like social justice revenge porn.
So I think this is another in a long line of overreactions and revenge plots against people not over intolerant points of view but for likes, credit. Anyone that remolety disagrees or has a nuanced opinion is labeled a nazi, alt right by these people chasing their high. So naturally PDP having a clip in a much larger video has to be called out as a symptom or a much larger issue from a very evil man. I'm sure they are patting themselves in the back.
Imagine being this willfully obtuse and forcefully and cringely condescending. Pathetic. I'll humor you since you seem insistent on breaking down every conversation to the most mind numbingly semantical level.
I understood the "joke", it's intentionally hyperbolic to more "clearly" highlight a point. It's been done a million times. But the comic doesn't work and you using it as a retort doesn't work since it's a false equivalence. It's not an exaggeration or an "escalation", the equivalence is flat out false.
Participating in society is a necessity, individuals are excused from claims of hypocrisy if they criticise it since the alternatives are substantively detrimental to said individual. Owning an iPhone is not a necessity, not owning one does not have any substantively detrimental affects on the individual. So this case the user is continuing to directly support the company despite any moral objections to it not out of necessity but because they feel the personal perks outweigh any negatives. This the same as the CEOs at Apple, they don't avoid tax and pay poor wages out of necessity and they are aware of the moral repercussions of this, but just like the consumer they feel the personal benefits outweigh any negatives so they continue to support these practices.
Everyone engages in some level of hypocrisy, but we need to make a distinction between those who do it as a choice and those who do it as a necessity. Having discussions built around false equivalencies is not conducive of a productive dialog and just leads to individuals reinforcing their erroneous views with fictional justifications that suit their selfish vested interests.
Man it's so discouraging how so many people are willing to give someone like Pewdiepie the benefit of the doubt time and time again. Also not sure why so many people think the words social justice are a pejorative. Perhaps you have an issue with those essss jay dubyas huh?
Maybe PewDiePie doesn't do some of this stuff intentionally - although there's a lot of it that's pretty damn hard to do accidentally - but at the very least, he's repeatedly shown a lack of responsibility for potential for damage he can cause. That's why the second half of his "apology" videos are inevitably railing against someone like the mainstream media or SonicFox, that's why his twitter is often even more flippant, that's why he follows up on using an ethnic slur by using more slurs and then minced versions. This is his career. He or his team edit his videos, so there was an opportunity somewhere for someone to go "maybe let's not include this part". But instead he feels oppressed by people holding him responsible for his content and tries to be defiant in face of that.
The thing that people seem to not want to consider about PDP is that even if these are all just mistakes, all that demonstrates is that he is willfully careless, over and over. Keep in mind the age demographic of his core viewer and consider whether or not professional media companies targetting that same demographic would get away with even half as much bullshit or demonstrations of a lack of concern for the well being of the viewer.
It's true of YouTube in general, but particularly users whose fans skew young: they might do this for a living but they lack the moral restrictions and resulting thoughtfulness placed on their work that actual professionals do, who almost universally make far less money than people like PDP for their efforts.
This repeated suggestion that there's just no way he could possibly do his due diligence ignores the fact that other people in entertainment do it as a necessary part of their job. It's not some impossible task. He just doesn't care.
It's true of YouTube in general, but particularly users whose fans skew young: they might do this for a living but they lack the moral restrictions and resulting thoughtfulness placed on their work that actual professionals do, who almost universally make far less money than people like PDP for their efforts.
This repeated suggestion that there's just no way he could possibly do his due diligence ignores the fact that other people in entertainment do it as a necessary part of their job. It's not some impossible task. He just doesn't care.
No, dude. This is simple: the most popular YouTube channel should not be posting videos that signal boost white supremacists or their "funny" content.
This is also simple: the most popular YouTube channel should be scrutinized, particularly when it has a history of using its power irresponsibly.
You're not doing yourself any favors with your speculation as to the motivations of the person who brought attention to this. Oh, he just wanted likes! It's social justice revenge porn! SJ celebrity!!
That's not a nuanced opinion. It more resembles you putting your head up your own ass.
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