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Phil Spencer On PC Gaming: “At E3 this year and throughout 2019, you’ll begin to see investments in Store, in Windows and in great games”.
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I'm genuinely excited for Microsoft at e3. Just wish the moonlight app could be downloaded onto the Xbox one x
Yeah, fair enough.
But until they are client facing it is still only promises.
I have been down this road with MS countless times with many different CEOs , so i have reached the point of I'll believe it when i see it.
I was gonna say that too, but I can't remember if anything was said to be announced at GDC, while they have talked about E3.
Which is fair. But ''Wait and see'' is not the same as ''It's all talk''
What would you like them to do? Because I think Spencer saying they are committed doesn't mean everything will be fixed immediately, while some of us may expect that.
He should stop saying it, but it's not as if they haven't done anything the last couple of years.
I'm not sure what everyone in this thread is after.
Sure, I too have my gripes with the Windows Store, it's possibly my least favourite store/installation interface to deal with of all.
However, you can't deny that committing to bringing all first party Xbox titles to PC on day one as well as GamePass to the PC isn't a sign of MS "investing in the platform".
Compare what they are doing today with the likes of Crackdown 3, Gears 4/5, Forza Horizon 3/4 and GamePass etc to the GFWL days. It's night and day.
Sure, I too have my gripes with the Windows Store, it's possibly my least favourite store/installation interface to deal with of all.
However, you can't deny that committing to bringing all first party Xbox titles to PC on day one as well as GamePass to the PC isn't a sign of MS "investing in the platform".
Compare what they are doing today with the likes of Crackdown 3, Gears 4/5, Forza Horizon 3/4 and GamePass etc to the GFWL days. It's night and day.
How many more times will he say this before it actually comes true? 2013 was supposed to be the start of improving their PC portfolio and it's been nothing but questionable at best since.
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We can do without your "special attention" M$. GFWL, Windows Store, Windows 10... Thanks but no thanks guys.
I mean since then we've got Gears, Forza, SoT and a few others on the PC. Yeah it's not steam but you can't say they didn't do /anything/
Still though, LOTS of room for improvement in the area
Phil is a cool guy, but he's said a lot of promising things this gen and there's been a lot of disappointment under his leadership. I think Backwards compatibility and game pass are the highlights of his tenure with Xbox.
News and rumors are already surfacing on what this may be, and im certain we dont know everything yet.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/br...ly-play-xbox-games-on-your-pc-soonish.101789/
https://www.resetera.com/threads/br...ly-play-xbox-games-on-your-pc-soonish.101789/
Yes. Don't get me wrong, if I had a lot of money I'd have an xbox one for sure and I've used Windows XP, 7 and 8.1 for my home OS.
Just had enough of their attempts to "improve" pc gaming. GFWL still mucks me up to this day, as I have to search for fixes for old games and find ways to get DLC I paid for back in the day, neither thing is worth the effort and I consider those games to be dead, even if I haven't finished them.
I don't trust them in the PC gaming space.
Me too and I've been having a blast with Crackdown 3. Even with it's limited run of games through Game Pass it's still good value.
Sure, if we also ignore the advancements in hardware revisions, the recent acquisitions, and the pure fact that we actually have day of date releases of 1st party games on the PC.
That wasn't a changed cdn that was directly from the Xbox store, and that was all in all an Xbox One game running on your PC. Not a port.
Why? You don't like Age of Empires, Halo, Pillars of Eternity or Forza?
Everyone wins if they get this right.
Meh, they more than often get it wrong.
And the windows store is horrible, so I'd rather skip those games (Besides the ones they port to steam or wherever else)
So you prefer those games to not exist at all instead of them putting the games on a Store you don't use?
The last time Microsoft got PC gaming right is with Direct X.
PC gaming is an open platform and Microsoft has been busy for the past ten years creating walled gardens.
You said: ''I'd rather they left PC Gaming alone.''
PC gaming can still be an open platform with one of the storefronts on it not being open. And if that gives me Age of Empires and Sea of Thieves, I'm a happy man.
Yes, I'd rather not have a repeat of GFWL, Windows Store and Windows 10.
But, that's just me.
I'm happy with not using the walled garden that MS loves in the PC space. We have options and I've been burned and locked out too many times. I have plans to move onto Linux by 2020, already dual boot atm.
If you're happy with Window 10 and MS's current PC gaming initiatives, have at it.
Skipping something and wishing it didn't exist are two different things. I'm really happy that they are making a new Age of Empires. I'm really happy they made Sea of Thieves, which has given me and my friends one of the best gaming experiences in years. But I also understand why some people don't want to use their storefront. With PC gaming being an open platform, it's a choice you have and a choice we should embrace. But wishing something didn't get made seems.. odd. To me at least.
Isn't it great that Windows gives you the option to not use certain storefronts because you don't like 'm?
Competition is always good.
Even if it is inferior. I wouldn't be surprised if Windows also properly partners up with Steam. I see big changes.
Even though you might not like, having options is always a positive in the marketplace.
How does saying I'd rather they didn't do something mean I wish it didn't exist?
We get this lip service off them year after year, and year after year they do something shitty like GWFL, or UWP and the Windows 10 store, which is the worst storefront on PC.
And PC is an open platform, something Microsoft forgets.
This again, huh?
Poor competition is not competition.
Now imagine if these words end up replaced with games. Wow-ee!
Games being exclusive to storefronts means LESS options for consumers, not more. There is literally nothing positive about it for players. That said, in most of these cases; Microsoft actually funded the development and ports of these games, making it somewhat less shitty than the Epic Store IMO.
Games being exclusive to storefronts means LESS options for consumers, not more. There is literally nothing positive about it for players. That said, in most of these cases; Microsoft actually funded the development and ports of these games, making it somewhat less shitty than the Epic Store IMO.
really? with how much they are supporting other platforms like linux, making more windows components open source
You said: ''I'd rather they left PC Gaming alone.''
How's that different than wishing they didn't do pc gaming?
Yes, really, with the likes of UWP.
Hell, I'd say Valve supports Linux more than MS currently do.
MS has announced 5 PC exclusive games in the last 2 years. They've put a crossplay API in a Steam beta and recently shipped a Windows 10 build with a new delivery method for games.
Seems like they are doing quite a lot.
Depends on what you call getting this right.
if it means shoving their UWP plans and releasing their games on every services on PC, then yes, we have a deal.
Otherwise, no, not everybody wins.
I can see their point. Sometimes a passive attitude is better than one that actively ruins a platform.
Yes and I don't use certain storefronts. Windows Store, Epic and Amazon being a few off the top of my head.
What isn't great is locking direct X to certain editions of your operating system and all of the features removed from Windows 10 compared to earlier versions. Windows itself is more of a walled garden than ever before, there's a reason I haven't moved on from Win 8.1.
Yup more promises of a good window store that will probably never happen.
It's been terrible since way before that, it was terrible when it was called games for windows and than that was shutdown and the windows store was brought out with windows 10 and still hasn't got any better.
If we are talking games? Well yeah. If we are talking everything else? hahahahahaha No.
MS's CEO made a pretty big commitment to open source and has shockingly been sticking to that.
Well that's properly vague. Guess we're getting actual details starting at E3.
The two main changes I'd like to see is untying PC(Play Anywhere) prices from Xbox prices and removing the restrictions of UWP.
This makes Microsoft games worse in a way that's detrimental to PC gaming, worth less and more expensive. As long as that remains the case I kind of don't care about whatever else they might do.
Microsoft has made decisions that are very out of touch with what PC gamers are looking for. They've stumbled and fumbled and tried to screw us, for like over a decade. I have no faith that they'll make notable improvements. Please surprise me.
UWP is such shit from a user perspective. Because of that, third parties/games available elsewhere don't exist on the Microsoft Store as far as I'm concerned.
And that you can't buy the version of a Microsoft game you want without paying extra for a version you don't want, is just such baffling nonsense. So those only exist on Game Pass to me.
Game Pass is one thing they're doing right. And they've said they plan to make all games on Game Pass also available on PC.
Through its price, Game Pass is an acceptable compromise, but I'd rather it wasn't one. I don't want to compromise.
The two main changes I'd like to see is untying PC(Play Anywhere) prices from Xbox prices and removing the restrictions of UWP.
This makes Microsoft games worse in a way that's detrimental to PC gaming, worth less and more expensive. As long as that remains the case I kind of don't care about whatever else they might do.
Microsoft has made decisions that are very out of touch with what PC gamers are looking for. They've stumbled and fumbled and tried to screw us, for like over a decade. I have no faith that they'll make notable improvements. Please surprise me.
UWP is such shit from a user perspective. Because of that, third parties/games available elsewhere don't exist on the Microsoft Store as far as I'm concerned.
And that you can't buy the version of a Microsoft game you want without paying extra for a version you don't want, is just such baffling nonsense. So those only exist on Game Pass to me.
Game Pass is one thing they're doing right. And they've said they plan to make all games on Game Pass also available on PC.
Through its price, Game Pass is an acceptable compromise, but I'd rather it wasn't one. I don't want to compromise.
They are trying. A few people naively want MS to just put their games on Steam and fill Valve's pockets with money.
They are pushing for their own store, and will leverage their own IP for their own benefits.
They do need to do a better job of that though.
Sadly, that's not happening with their PC gaming efforts. On the contrary: for some reason Microsoft seems to be keen on storing game files into locked and encrypted containers. The State of Decay game that insiders were testing was win32, but locked into the same encrypted container that the Xbox One is using. I hope that's not the path they are taking for all future 1st party and Game Pass games.
I'd rather they get a higher-quality dedicated launcher and storefront for their games and we get benefits like GamePass rather than "hey put it on Steam and uPlay and the Blizzard Launcher and Origin and GoG, etc"
I hope something great happens, but given MS and Phil's track record in the PC space, I'm not going to hold my breath.
You can't convince me that they've really been committed for the last few years with the store in the condition it's in today. You're lying to yourself and everyone else. Maybe they'll finally start giving a shit, I don't know. I'm not going to take their word for it. I want results.
You can't convince me that they've really been committed for the last few years with the store in the condition it's in today. You're lying to yourself and everyone else. Maybe they'll finally start giving a shit, I don't know. I'm not going to take their word for it. I want results.
No thanks. After GFWL, it should never happen and they should never be entrusted with a backend and library management on PC.
Heck, they can do both you know ? Allow people to choose and have their launcher if people want "Gamepass".
A few people naively don't want to get screwed a 2nd time.
