PlayStation division is making 3 billions Dollars of pure operating profit in a single year thanks to PSN.
Sony has become price-sensitive this gen. Mainly thanks to the response their audience had with a 399 pricetag.
As limiting as it has been, limitations spawn innovation. We’ve made massive strides in AA And adaptive resolution reconstruction out of necessity’s
"noticeable" lol, it's coming from a 2012 tablet cpu (where amazing things have been achieved on ps4) to a monster cpu that's costing +300$ on pc, it's gonna be like a 2 gen leap at once.Won’t be the top tier of CPU chips even next year when it releases. Things get cheaper with time and Sony isn’t paying MSRP for the parts. But the boost from the Jaguar will be noticeable especially for console only players.
Expecting something like $500 MSRP. Next year is my time to upgrade my PC and monitor
It's not going to be same part as the PC desktop CPU. The console CPU more likely to be closer to what AMD has developed for mobiles and alike. Still a good bump in performance.
It will be most likely, maybe lower clocked. AMD doesn't have a 8c/16t mobile Zen cpu. If they can get +300$ class pc gpu's in consoles they can do it for cpu's, it's not 2012 where Sony is forced to choose mobile cpu's once again.
Why wouldn't it be? AMD doesn't have any 8c/16t cpu that's costing less than $300, they're probably gonna clock it to ~3Ghz, have less cache and no boost.
It will be a custom APU made specifically for PS5. It will have the same amount of cores as some Zen2 desktop parts and the core architecture will be very similar to Zen2 obviously but it certainly won't be a same part as anything available in PC space. Not that it matters much but still.
1.) The Xeon is a server CPU which was around $3000 at launch and the 6900k was $1000 at launch. Both of these CPUs were used in prosumer/enterprise level, not really the general consumer level. You have to remember that even though there are 32 core CPUs available today, it doesn't mean that the general population will have access or use case for them. A 3700x CPU would outpace most consumer PCs out there today.I posted some of this, and added "I guess they are saying threads and processors aren't the same thing?"
He said - "they're not, I was driving and thinking quickly"
then went ahead to post this -
Intel® Core™ i7-6900K Processor (20M Cache, up to 3.70 GHz) quick reference guide including specifications, features, pricing, compatibility, design documentation, ordering codes, spec codes and more.ark.intel.com
"thats an 8 core/16 processor cpu from 2016"
"thats 3 years ago, but finding this data is kinda hard"
Intel® Xeon® Processor E5-4650 (20M Cache, 2.70 GHz, 8.00 GT/s Intel® QPI) quick reference guide including specifications, features, pricing, compatibility, design documentation, ordering codes, spec codes and more.ark.intel.com
"here is a server CPU from 2012 with 8 cores and 16 threads"
"I'm not too familiar with AMD, but Intel came out with Hyperthreading before AMD came out with CMT"
The Jaguar cores used in the PS4/Xbox One were dog shit from the beginning. IIRC the core was developed for netbook usage or other low power applications. The 8c/16t Zen 2 CPUs are enthusiast level CPUs today. Of course overtime they other more powerful products will come out but I think the PS5/Xbox One 2 CPUs will actually be able to keep up the pace in 5-6 years.
PlayStation Now is an incredibly small fraction of the empire that PSN has become.
True and that was my ultimate point. If Game and Network Services continues and quite possibly becomes bigger. The cost of the console will be easy for them to offset if the consumers are buying the services.PlayStation Now is an incredibly small fraction of the empire that PSN has become.
The main drivers are Game and Network Services.
Sony was generating yearly a 3 billion profit return before the PSNow price drop. PSN can comfortably offset any hardware losses for PS5.
A 4C/8T CPU is enough because those 8-core Jaguar CPUs on consoles are extremely slow, with terrible IPC, initially designed for low-power mobile devices. Even 4-core i5 CPUs from 2013-14 run circles around them. At the time they were even slower than Intel's Atom processors which were designed to compete with AMD's Jaguars in mobile sector. So naturally, games designed for Jaguar CPUs ran extremely well even on quad-core CPUs with extremely fast IPC. However, this won't be the case for next-gen.Not really. Despite the 8-cores CPU of PlayStation 4 and Xbox One, a 4C/8T CPU is still enough for high-end gaming on PC. 16C is also far from needed right now, maybe in 10 years lol.
But the upgrade to minimum 6C will become necessary next year or in 2021 for high settings.
From my rough tests: Ryzen 7 3700X CPU alone consumes about 63W under full load and worst-case scenario being 79W at 3.2 GHz under Prime95 stress test. Keep in mind though that this power consumption results may not be 100% representative of the CPU inside PS5, as it is highly likely that their CPUs will be heavily tuned/clocked lower to meet the console manufacturers' power consumption requirements and as such the max power consumption of the 8C/16T CPU inside consoles may not even be close to what I just found using the desktop counterpart.Does an underclocked ryzen in the 3700 family running at 3.2 GHz have more or less the se power consumption as the current PS4 cpu? I'm guessing that, despite probable improvements in the cooling system, they would also want to control how much heat it's generated.
Based on the performance data of Jaguar cores running at 1.6 GHz, and comparing them with Zen 2 8C/16T's performance numbers (assuming they'll be clocked at 3.2 GHz), we have a rough estimation that it will be nearly 7 times better than the Jaguar cores inside base PS4. What can be done with it is up to the devs. I personally would like to see much more interactability with the environments, objects in games, much more accurate physics, destructibility, better animations, densely populated game worlds, and whatnot.
We had 8 cores, 8 threads CPU on PS4 (yes, also 8GB of RAM). Now we have a much, much faster 8 cores, with double the thread count, 16 threads CPU on PS5.
Yeah, the last time they did $599 it was a nightmare for them. No chance of that happening.People thinking Sony will charge $599 for this are nuts. No way Sony does that, max we’ll see is $499 and that’s cutting it too close especially now with the increased competition from Google Stadia. Sony isn’t going to leave any chance that PS5 doesn’t succeed because it lost some of its potential customers to Google and MS. They will eat the extra cost and do whatever it takes to ensure PS5 is extremely competitive. They have PSNow and PSN to fall back on unlike previous gens so they are more flexible in that regard.