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PlayStation 5 Confirmed To Sport 8 Cores / 16 Threads CPU; Full Reveal Coming Next Year
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PlayStation division is making 3 billions Dollars of pure operating profit in a single year thanks to PSN.
It took a PlayStation 2 or PlayStation 3, 5 to 6 years to generate that kind of profit.
$100 loss will easily be offset by the massive revenue coming in from PSN every quarter until prices come down.
Sony has become price-sensitive this gen. Mainly thanks to the response their audience had with a 399 pricetag.
PSN's profit margins keep growing every quarter / fiscal year thanks to rise of digital Services. If it keeps the same steady growth all the way to Holiday 2020, I've no doubt Sony will absolutely pull the magical "399" for November 2020 and have PSN offset everything else.
As limiting as it has been, limitations spawn innovation. We've made massive strides in AA And adaptive resolution reconstruction out of necessity's
Sounds like it's turning out to be the beast everyone was hoping for.
"noticeable" lol, it's coming from a 2012 tablet cpu (where amazing things have been achieved on ps4) to a monster cpu that's costing +300$ on pc, it's gonna be like a 2 gen leap at once.
Getting it either way :D. Ill play the new stuff first always but it would be nice to just put in FFVII Dirge of Cerberus of Dragon Quest VIII or something, and it works.
It's not going to be same part as the PC desktop CPU. The console CPU more likely to be closer to what AMD has developed for mobiles and alike. Still a good bump in performance.
Assuming they don't go with a monolithic APU, which I think is reasonable due to the modularity of the Zen architecture with AMD's "Infinity Fabric", I think they could get 3700x chiplets that didn't make the grade for desktop parts pretty cheap. Since AMD is packing 8 cores onto a single Zen chiplet, the die size is pretty small and I imagine they have a pretty big profit margin at $329.
If the GPU is on the same substrate as the CPU (the green part of a CPU/GPU), the cache/memory controller chip would probably be used by both (following PS4's use of hUMA) , which could also save cost.
I'm on team $499 at this point, even with a ~5700 GPU. The only thing is that part costs might not fall so fast in the time leading up to launch because of massive 7nm semiconductor production demand.
Does anyone think they might have multiple SKUs on launch? One with a big SSD and one with a small one? It crossed my mind but multiple SKUs always seems like a mess on launch.
If the GPU is on the same substrate as the CPU (the green part of a CPU/GPU), the cache/memory controller chip would probably be used by both (following PS4's use of hUMA) , which could also save cost.
I'm on team $499 at this point, even with a ~5700 GPU. The only thing is that part costs might not fall so fast in the time leading up to launch because of massive 7nm semiconductor production demand.
Does anyone think they might have multiple SKUs on launch? One with a big SSD and one with a small one? It crossed my mind but multiple SKUs always seems like a mess on launch.
I think they should do one base $500
And a VR bundle sold separately.
Will there be a VR2, or will we be stuck with current vr limitations on the PS4?
And a VR bundle sold separately.
Will there be a VR2, or will we be stuck with current vr limitations on the PS4?
I don't understand being scared by 599; It's a piece of hardware that should last 6/7 years at least (while hopefully providing a significant leap compared to Pro and One X).
That's less than 100$ a year, less than 9$ a month.
It's irrelevant compared to how much you probably spend for the games.
That's less than 100$ a year, less than 9$ a month.
It's irrelevant compared to how much you probably spend for the games.
It will be most likely, maybe lower clocked. AMD doesn't have a 8c/16t mobile Zen cpu. If they can get +300$ class pc gpu's in consoles they can do it for cpu's, it's not 2012 where Sony is forced to choose mobile cpu's once again.
Why wouldn't it be? AMD doesn't have any 8c/16t cpu that's costing less than $300, they're probably gonna clock it to ~3Ghz, have less cache and no boost.
We'll see.
I don't think they will put a desktop CPU into a 5 cm chassis.
They make also notebook components.
It will be a custom APU made specifically for PS5. It will have the same amount of cores as some Zen2 desktop parts and the core architecture will be very similar to Zen2 obviously but it certainly won't be a same part as anything available in PC space. Not that it matters much but still.
I suspect it will be 499. PS4 pro is still 399 and while I'm sure they will price drop it next year it's hard to see there only be $100 difference between the two.
I'm hoping the PS5 has a completely redesigned cooling system as well. I love my PS4 Pro, and my fan is mostly quiet but ive read all the PS4 and PS4 Pro horror stories here.
1.) The Xeon is a server CPU which was around $3000 at launch and the 6900k was $1000 at launch. Both of these CPUs were used in prosumer/enterprise level, not really the general consumer level. You have to remember that even though there are 32 core CPUs available today, it doesn't mean that the general population will have access or use case for them. A 3700x CPU would outpace most consumer PCs out there today.
2.) CMT and hyperthreading is basically the same shit. If you look at benchmarks/performance tests today, CMT implementation is better.
The Jaguar cores used in the PS4/Xbox One were dog shit from the beginning. IIRC the core was developed for netbook usage or other low power applications. The 8c/16t Zen 2 CPUs are enthusiast level CPUs today. Of course overtime they other more powerful products will come out but I think the PS5/Xbox One 2 CPUs will actually be able to keep up the pace in 5-6 years.
We need a Digital Foundry on this!
This does sound good now, but what about in five, eight or ten years time, I know it cannot be future proofed that far in advance.
I am keen to know the size of this SSD as games are getting bigger and will get even bigger in the future, it has to be 1TB at least, my PS4 as soon as I got it I took out the 500GB and put in a 1TB SSHD.
This does sound good now, but what about in five, eight or ten years time, I know it cannot be future proofed that far in advance.
I am keen to know the size of this SSD as games are getting bigger and will get even bigger in the future, it has to be 1TB at least, my PS4 as soon as I got it I took out the 500GB and put in a 1TB SSHD.
PlayStation Now is an incredibly small fraction of the empire that PSN has become.
The main drivers are Game and Network Services.
Sony was generating yearly a 3 billion profit return before the PSNow pricedrop. PSN can comfortably offset any hardware losses for PS5.
It was confirmed a while back that PSVR2 is coming. It wont be available at the PS5 launch and no one knows anything about specs yet.
True and that was my ultimate point. If Game and Network Services continues and quite possibly becomes bigger. The cost of the console will be easy for them to offset if the consumers are buying the services.
It's basically (or akin) to the Freemium model (of course the console wont be free)
The Xbox One X was $499 two years ago. I see it very difficult for the PS5 to be under $499 with the this CPU, a beefy GPU (though do we have these specs yet?), an SSD, and a 4K blu ray drive.
EDIT: I forgot about all the tariffs too. How the hell will any of the new consoles be under $499? It just seems impossible.
EDIT: I forgot about all the tariffs too. How the hell will any of the new consoles be under $499? It just seems impossible.
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We know the console will have a SSD, but will it also have a HDD on top of that? A SSD is already expensive enough as it is, so it probably won't be a very big one (~250 GB is my guess). And knowing how people on here hate having to empty their fridge and swear by keeping every single game they own installed at all times, you'll be lucky if you can manage to hold more than 2 to 5 games on that SSD at any given time. I can't imagine them also including a HDD to hold the leftover games (which will also need time to move over to the SSD whenever you want to play them, by the way). I assume most everyone will need to purchase an external HDD for that purpose? How do people feel about it?
I'm more interested in what Guerrilla Games will do with that power.
People thinking Sony will charge $599 for this are nuts. No way Sony does that, max we'll see is $499 and that's cutting it too close especially now with the increased competition from Google Stadia. Sony isn't going to leave any chance that PS5 doesn't succeed because it lost some of its potential customers to Google and MS. They will eat the extra cost and do whatever it takes to ensure PS5 is extremely competitive. They have PSNow and PSN to fall back on unlike previous gens so they are more flexible in that regard.
Make a stunningly gorgeous game with decent game play and narrative content.
A 4C/8T CPU is enough because those 8-core Jaguar CPUs on consoles are extremely slow, with terrible IPC, initially designed for low-power mobile devices. Even 4-core i5 CPUs from 2013-14 run circles around them. At the time they were even slower than Intel's Atom processors which were designed to compete with AMD's Jaguars in mobile sector. So naturally, games designed for Jaguar CPUs ran extremely well even on quad-core CPUs with extremely fast IPC. However, this won't be the case for next-gen.
Their Zen 2 CPUs are very potent in terms of IPC, cache, etc. If/when a game is designed to take advantage beyond 8 threads on consoles, it will likely require the same amount of threads/horsepower on PC. In that case, having an equivalent amount of cores/threads in our gaming PCs will help. Ofc, it will depend on dev teams and their goals, I'm not saying that every game will require 16 thread CPU. I believe 6C/12T CPUs will become the minimum required going forward & it should be good for the most part, and 8C/16T will be needed if you're targeting 60+fps for those multiplatform open-world games on PC.
From my rough tests: Ryzen 7 3700X CPU alone consumes about 63W under full load and worst-case scenario being 79W at 3.2 GHz under Prime95 stress test. Keep in mind though that this power consumption results may not be 100% representative of the CPU inside PS5, as it is highly likely that their CPUs will be heavily tuned/clocked lower to meet the console manufacturers' power consumption requirements and as such the max power consumption of the 8C/16T CPU inside consoles may not even be close to what I just found using the desktop counterpart.
Based on the performance data of Jaguar cores running at 1.6 GHz, and comparing them with Zen 2 8C/16T's performance numbers (assuming they'll be clocked at 3.2 GHz), we have a rough estimation that it will be nearly 7 times better than the Jaguar cores inside base PS4. What can be done with it is up to the devs. I personally would like to see much more interactability with the environments, objects in games, much more accurate physics, destructibility, better animations, densely populated game worlds, and whatnot.
We had 8 cores, 8 threads CPU on PS4 (yes, also 8GB of RAM). Now we have a much, much faster 8 cores, with double the thread count, 16 threads CPU on PS5.
Yeah, the last time they did $599 it was a nightmare for them. No chance of that happening.