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Tigress

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Oct 25, 2017
6,947
Washington
It's more about Sony being a shitty company in this instance. They should take a hint from more responsible storefront owners.

Honestly, revoking access from legitimately purchased games should be illegal, full stop. Regulate that shit.

Yes, Sony is being shitty abd shouldn't lock out access to already bought stuff. Hell, Sony's shitty reputation is why I don't store a credit card number with them and only pay via gift cards for any digital stuff. I've heard too many stories of people's accounts getting hacked, fraudulent purchases made, and Sony refusing to do anything but if you chargeback banning your account.

But that is the problem with the digital future (at least without laws to stop that kind of abuse), as is now it allows companies to be shitty and there is nothing you can do about it. You are at the mercy of how nice the company feels like being. At least a physical game you can create a new account (to download patches cause when with physical today you are tied to digital cause of updates) and you still have the game.
 

psynergyadept

Member
Oct 26, 2017
14,721
Echoing other is is pretty damning for Sony to say jack shit about this; even if the problem is resolved(maybe?) we should know how the hell this happened in the first place!!!
 

level

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May 25, 2023
500
Yeah, stuff like this is why I could never go 100% digital on Consoles. It really shouldn't be legal that you can just lose all the shit you buy (whether it's your fault or not)

Agreed, there should be some kind of laws, but until there are, all digital is farrrrr too much of a risk.
 

PallasKitten

Member
Jul 11, 2022
439
Well, I decided to finally turn on my Playstation and all seems fine. Hopefully the issue is just resolved now, and hopefully this kind of thing doesn't happen again.
 

cowbanana

Member
Feb 2, 2018
12,902
a Socialist Utopia
I never understood why you lose all your games if you get banned tbh, neither on PSN or steam.

You don't on Steam. At worst you end up with an account you're unable to add/buy games for. All your purchases will still work.

Sony is truly draconian though. I buy so little digital content there and all major releases of interest to me I buy as physical discs (which is also cheaper than PSN). With no physical media I wouldn't own a Playstation.
 

night814

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 29, 2017
14,859
Pennsylvania
I think it was already mentioned earlier in the thread, but they never acknowledged problems with some people not being able to download PS3 and Vita games for a time earlier this year, or the issue last year (or the year prior, don't recall) where PS3/Vita games had expiry dates and couldn't be played if they were downloaded during a certain period. Think there's also been a few occasions since 2020/2021 where patches for games don't download on PS3. They silently fixed these issues, but never acknowledged them.

For something like this though, it's absolutely appealing not to make any kind of public statement. Having your account permanently suspended, even in "error", is no laughing matter when people have poured thousands of £/$s into those accounts.

We don't know the extent of how many people are/were affected by this, but I reckon it's at least been a few thousand, given the Reddit and Twitter threads. There's also likely a decent chunk of people that have been "banned" by have no idea because they haven't logged in during the duration this issue has been occurring for, which so far has been less than 24 hours, AFAIK. It definitely isn't an insignificant number of people anyway and does warrant some kind of acknowledgement and apology. But of course they likely won't, they'll sweep this under the rug since it probably didn't affect quite enough people for them to feel like they need to do anything. If it had affected ALL PSN accounts though... I imagine that may have actually led to some push in better consumer rights.

No clue if I've been banned or not since I haven't checked, and likely won't until this evening when I was planning to play Playstation anyway, with fingers crossed everything is fine.

There was actually an issue a decade ago now, just before the PS4 came out, that I was affected by. I'd turned on my PS3 one evening to play, and was told I couldn't sign in. When I tried to, it told me my password was incorrect. Panicking, I check my Vita, same deal. I check my email, and there's nothing about my password being changed or anything. I manage to regain access to the account quickly and easily enough, but I could have done without that stress, and lack of any explanation until the following day when articles like the one I linked started popping up. They claimed they reset some random accounts' passwords due to "irregular activity", but I still don't buy it. I think it's more likely they were doing something on the backend in preparation for PSN on the PS4, and they screwed some things up and had to restore some accounts from backups, which also reset their passwords. Obviously just conjecture, but there was never any "irregular activity" I could personally find on my account, as was the same for a few other people I knew that were affected by it.

This whole thing has kinda killed my trust in Sony all the more, and I'm debating whether I shouldn't just start buying more digital only games on PC in the future.
I lost access to my account around the same time and I had to escalate with support for like 2 hours and 3 different people till someone could actually do something about it. It was absolutely rediculous.
 

Neonvisions

Member
Oct 27, 2017
470
The fact that this can happen, with no communication and cut off people from countless thousands of dollars of content is just crazy. There absolutely needs to be more oversite in how digital purchases are held and managed because clearly company's like Sony can just strip them away and you have very little recourse to recoup all your losses. Insane.
 

bitcloudrzr

Member
May 31, 2018
11,957
This whole thing has kinda killed my trust in Sony all the more, and I'm debating whether I shouldn't just start buying more digital only games on PC in the future.
You would think that for a company that has benefited so significantly from the digital push, that doing something better would be in their best interests after all this time.

I also game share / Ps Plus share with my son. But this is allowed isnt it?
Yes, to the point where execs have talked about this publically before.

This, along with no longer supporting re-downloads for some video purchases, is the final straw for my Playstation digital purchases. Physical only for Playstation going forward.
Are you talking about the WB issue recently?
 
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lori

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Oct 25, 2017
1,705
Sony does very specifically suck in regards to the bans + how their customer service/PR handled the situation, and they should be clowned for it, but I think there should also be way more discussion re: the legality of being able to ban someone from accessing their purchased content. Like... it shouldn't be legal. Right??? Am I crazy?
 

PallasKitten

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Jul 11, 2022
439
You would think that for a a company that has benefited so significantly from the digital push, that doing something better would be in their best interests after all this time.
You'd think, but it doesn't seem like Sony ever really cares too much unless push comes to shove and they get enough backlash that they simply can't ignore. As some others said in this thread, maybe it would have been a blessing in disguise if this had happened to ALL PSN accounts. That's not something they could have just pretended didn't happen.

Sony does very specifically suck in regards to the bans + how their customer service/PR handled the situation, and they should be clowned for it, but I think there should also be way more discussion re: the legality of being able to ban someone from accessing their purchased content. Like... it shouldn't be legal. Right??? Am I crazy?
I'm honestly flabbergasted that it isn't already illegal to do this kinda thing. Digital purchases aren't exactly a brand new thing, and there's so many things now that have large digital storefronts (not just for games but books, movies, music, etc.) that you'd think by this point there'd be some pretty strong consumer protection laws that prevents things like all your digital purchases just being made null and void if your account gets suspended. Or purchases in general being taken away from you with no recourse or refund, like what Sony are doing with the Discovery TV shows.
 

PallasKitten

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Jul 11, 2022
439
Unsure how this could be solved if it is the licence holder that wants content completely removed from a platform. Does WB have to compensate for wanting to remove purchases?
Personally, I don't believe content you've paid for should ever be allowed to just be stripped from you, not without at least a partial refund if nothing else, regardless of the license holders' wishes to erase something from existence. Delisting something from future purchases should really be all they can do, imo. Unless something is free like in the case of PT I guess, there isn't really anything there to compensate consumers with. But of course my own stance on the matter doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.
 

PLASTICA-MAN

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Oct 26, 2017
22,374
I got a notification on PS APP that a friend logged in which means the sstem works but too afraid to even start the PS APP.
I gonna wait till tomorrow.
 

FinalArcadia

Member
Nov 4, 2020
1,750
USA
I've been getting weird download errors on my PS5. Their servers are getting wonky this week.
My sister was having a lot of issues with trying to play Fortnite on PS4 and the whole console would just shut down when launching the game if she didn't cancel other updates (Dead by Daylight and The Sims 4) from downloading. Never seen that issue before, so I wonder if that's connected too. Thankfully, I haven't personally had issues on PS5 even while updating a game... yet.
 

PLASTICA-MAN

Member
Oct 26, 2017
22,374
Reading on reddit that there are some still unbanned with no response (supposing they are telling the truth ofc).
Still very scary tbh.
 

Dust

C H A O S
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Oct 25, 2017
30,342
Obviously Sony will pretend this never happened but I am really curious what was the thing that flagged these particular accounts. Was it a certain action they did? Logging in at certain time?
 

TheChrisGlass

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,571
Los Angeles, CA
Obviously Sony will pretend this never happened but I am really curious what was the thing that flagged these particular accounts. Was it a certain action they did? Logging in at certain time?

It could literally be a messed up database thing where it was looking in the wrong table for the wrong info.
Like years ago Walmart had a price glitch where all item prices became their category ID. Kayaks were like 878, so they were marked as $8.78.
And your account has so much nonsense values stored inside that it's almost worthless to try and figure it out. It could be the timestamp of last login ended up being divisible by 13... Or the hash ID of the password ended up over a certain number.
 

pete_clarf

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,511
Yikes, I didn't see any of this. Was playing all last night and loaded $35 in PSN credit to my wallet this afternoon. I would not have done any of that had I known (especially the wallet thing). Seems I got lucky.
 

Twinsen

Member
Aug 1, 2018
27
My account's permanent suspension was reversed, and I was able to successfully log in again to PlayStation Network this afternoon. Didn't have to contact customer support, the issue was resolved without any action on my end.

Hope that everyone here who had their account erroneously permanently suspended got their account back.

I'm extremely disappointed with how Sony decided to handle the situation, not even bothering to acknowledge an incident that caused distress to so many of their customers…

If anything, this incident was a wake up call to me about how unprotected us consumers are against errors on companies' end, or malicious actions by third parties, that can at any time permanently deprive us of our digital libraries of purchased content.

Because the scary reality is that, unfortunately, our digital "purchases" are nothing more than digital rentals withouts laws that protect our consumer rights when it comes to digital goods…
 

kohlmannj

Member
Oct 28, 2021
232
Manhattan, NY
Not to get off-topic, but:

After finding my account perma-banned and then restored last night, I have now discovered that the PlayStation Store doesn't acknowledge my active PlayStation Plus Essential subscription.

So when I try downloading one of this month's PS+ free games (e.g. Sable) in the PS App for iPhone, the default option is to buy it outright. When I switch to the "Included with PlayStation Plus" option and then click the "Upgrade" button, I get a "Something went wrong." page.

Really wish they'd come out and say something , especially if there are going to be lingering account issues like this…geez.
 

rottenpie

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 28, 2017
2,170
I'm not sure if this is related but I've been trying to login in my Playstation account and they don't send me the verification code, I don't have backup codes

I'm getting nervous af :(
 

NaDannMaGoGo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,721
That they don't at minimum scramble to make an official apology and give some freebies to those affected is sure something.

And yeah, no way they should've the right to shut the entire account down like that.

Game specific bans, especially with online only games and cheating, are one thing. But just locking people out of everything? Nuts.
 

hikarutilmitt

Member
Dec 16, 2017
11,122
I'm not sure if this is related but I've been trying to login in my Playstation account and they don't send me the verification code, I don't have backup codes

I'm getting nervous af :(
If you get back in you should switch to an authenticator if you can. Much more reliable than waiting for an SMS service most of the companies use to queue up your code.
 

Chrono78

Member
Mar 21, 2018
126
You would think that for a company that has benefited so significantly from the digital push, that doing something better would be in their best interests after all this time.


Yes, to the point where execs have talked about this publically before.


Are you talking about the WB issue recently?
My understanding is previous Discovery video purchases are no longer re-downloadable, so it probably is related to the WB deal.
 

JuicyPlayer

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Feb 8, 2018
7,071
I have a lot invested in my PSN account going back to PS3 so losing my PSN account would immediately make me sell my PS5 and never go back again. I hope to god it never happens to me.
 

PallasKitten

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Jul 11, 2022
439
I have a lot invested in my PSN account going back to PS3 so losing my PSN account would immediately make me sell my PS5 and never go back again. I hope to god it never happens to me.
Same, I've had my account for over a decade and losing it all would be a devastating blow. Over half my library between PS4 and PS5 is physical (and about 80-90% of the games I bought on PS3 and Vita were physical), and one of the main reasons I've always favoured physical is because of that nagging worry in the back of my head about something like what happened to OP and others happening to my own account. Thankfully it was resolved in this case (hopefully for everyone that was affected by now), but it really highlights that our digital purchases are in a precarious position.

It worries me how we're marching more and more into an all digital future, while concerns and discussions about consumer rights on digital purchases are not uncommon to come by, but it seldom seems to be making much headway in any meaningful way on the law side of things.
 

PallasKitten

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Jul 11, 2022
439
I know the bans are issued on their administration side but can this update help a little solve the false alamrs the console may send or the possible hack they wwon't acknowledge?

Just speculation on my part, but I imagine the "security fixes" may refer to patching out any vulnerabilities there may currently be in regards to hacking/homebrewing the console. It isn't a mandatory update currently so it doesn't seem too urgent/important.
 

JuicyPlayer

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Feb 8, 2018
7,071
Same, I've had my account for over a decade and losing it all would be a devastating blow. Over half my library between PS4 and PS5 is physical (and about 80-90% of the games I bought on PS3 and Vita were physical), and one of the main reasons I've always favoured physical is because of that nagging worry in the back of my head about something like what happened to OP and others happening to my own account. Thankfully it was resolved in this case (hopefully for everyone that was affected by now), but it really highlights that our digital purchases are in a precarious position.

It worries me how we're marching more and more into an all digital future, while concerns and discussions about consumer rights on digital purchases are not uncommon to come by, but it seldom seems to be making much headway in any meaningful way on the law side of things.
I think we need EU intervention on Sony getting better customer service for these situations because the whole process itself seems very frustrating.
 

bitcloudrzr

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May 31, 2018
11,957
It worries me how we're marching more and more into an all digital future, while concerns and discussions about consumer rights on digital purchases are not uncommon to come by, but it seldom seems to be making much headway in any meaningful way on the law side of things.
At the end of the day, convenience and cheap sharing are going to drown out concerns until something actually disasterous happens. I am guilty of it too.
 

Barrel Cannon

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
9,114
Wait so has anyone who was banned here reinstated. I sorta hand waved this thread assuming the OP did something dumb but now I feel bad for judging. Shame on Sony for not announcing that there is an issue. That's some bad faith right there
 

eyeball_kid

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Oct 25, 2017
10,018
I think we need EU intervention on Sony getting better customer service for these situations because the whole process itself seems very frustrating.

That, but also I think we need a consumer rights org in the U.S. focused on tech companies that can put pressure on them and on Congress to force these corps to do better.

I don't know how it's not illegal that Sony can just decide to ban users from accessing the content they bought. With no real way to even contact them and appeal. Yeah I'm sure it's somewhere in their TOS, but that doesn't make it right. Sony has been pulling shit like this for years and it's way past time they get taken to the mat for it.