We don't even know who Sony is partnering with for PS5 first-party games, sheesh.
It's not a zero-sum game.
It's not a zero-sum game.
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PlayStation Worldwide Studios |OT Se7en| What's in the box?
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I feel nothing about Remedy
next one will be R@D being acquired by Facebook
then only a matter of time Sony screws up with BluePoint but at least here they are currently partnering with Sony (for now)
next one will be R@D being acquired by Facebook
then only a matter of time Sony screws up with BluePoint but at least here they are currently partnering with Sony (for now)
Japan Studio should have had some IPs of there own and made into teams long ago.
From since the PS2 gen they work on smaller stuff while helping others and that should have change last gen or this gen.
They should have been made into 2 or 3 teams to work on stuff.
Instead of so many small ones doing there own thing or helping out with other pojects from the out side.
I might be misunderstanding you, but I think they used to have a bunch of teams working on different games that weren't getting off the ground, but now they're a group or 3 or 4 teams.
Studio Japan gets a lot of undeserved flak and it seems to boil down to them simply not making the types of games people personally want. I'd argue they had one of the better generations out of Sony's crop in terms of quality and output: Gravity Rush 2, Astro Bot, The Last Guardian and collaborated on Bloodborne, Everybody's Golf, Freedom Wars, etc. Honorable mention to Puppeteer which should have been a PS4 launch title.
Factoring their internal devs and external group, we're probably getting due for their next wave of games and I'm looking forward to it.
Factoring their internal devs and external group, we're probably getting due for their next wave of games and I'm looking forward to it.
Concern trolling at best.
I asked a user here why the heck Ueda would continue to act like a Sony First Party studio when he split from Sony.
Exactly, Sony is publishing the Predator game from a developer that they had never worked before, same goes for Iron Man VR.
You're aware that genres or formulas are not restricted compartments. From a single common idea there could be endless interpretations; I don't wish or hope for them to do the same game, but to adapt and mold those proven concepts by their own hands, according to their talents.
At some point during its conception, every game was heavily inspired by others. Horizon: Zero Dawn is the result of applying original work on the ideas used by developers behind Monster Hunter or The Witcher; Uncharted evolved from traditional action-platformer in the vein of classic Tomb Raider to include a prominent over-the-shoulder camera and cover system after Resident Evil 4 and Kill Switch respectively popularized both systems. When Gravity Rush introduced its floating mechanic, it was following in the footsteps of the many developers who had toyed with similar concepts from different points of execution.
In short, Sony studios all around the world have been already doing the same type of games every other company does, for decades, because that's how any creative industry works. Why should Sony Japan be now the exception? Most of all, why, when their efforts have not worked commercially at the level of their Western counterparts for many years? This is a business, after all. Even in a casual conversation, like this one we're having, I think if something doesn't seem to be doing as good as it could, then contemplating alternatives is not an unreasonable attitude. Insisting on doing the same wouldn't be my ideal course of action.
I remember that was the plan before this gen started but there out put just seem to weak again this gen.
Even more so when you look at that they suppose to be 250 plus people if i remember right .
One thing for sure: with Epic, Facebook and Stadia going ham on acquisition and partnerships, Sony 2nd party is going to look a lot more anemic than this gen.
You'd think Sony will try and secure some of their 2nd party studios before they lose them but nope. Hopefully their gamble on expanding their existing 1st party works out cuz if not then welp.
You'd think Sony will try and secure some of their 2nd party studios before they lose them but nope. Hopefully their gamble on expanding their existing 1st party works out cuz if not then welp.
I mean, to be absolutely certain - I'd love it if Sony had chosen to fund Ueda's next game. ( and it could very much be that they were open to it, but Epic gave a better deal )
But that is on the assumption that Ueda would not have been able to develop the kind of game he'd like had it been another publisher, given his development history.
With Epic opening their wallets and using their Fortnite Bux to give what appears to be one of the best, if not the best publishing deals out there ( IP ownership, full funding, 50% profit sharing ) - it's a huge boon for developers. And no, I would not want Sony or any publisher to get into a bidding war with Epic just for the sake of 'securing Ueda' just for the sake of an exclusive when Epic's funding was going to have it come to Playstation anyway.
I'd rather the resources go to a developer who needs it.
But that is on the assumption that Ueda would not have been able to develop the kind of game he'd like had it been another publisher, given his development history.
With Epic opening their wallets and using their Fortnite Bux to give what appears to be one of the best, if not the best publishing deals out there ( IP ownership, full funding, 50% profit sharing ) - it's a huge boon for developers. And no, I would not want Sony or any publisher to get into a bidding war with Epic just for the sake of 'securing Ueda' just for the sake of an exclusive when Epic's funding was going to have it come to Playstation anyway.
I'd rather the resources go to a developer who needs it.
Their output seemed a lot better to me this gen compared to last gen. At a minimum, there seemed to be more organization. Though I think it's better to start from 2013 when the first wave came out after restructuring.
2013: Soul Sacrifice, Rain, Puppeteer, Knack, The Playroom,
2014: Destiny of Spirits, Oreshika: Tainted Bloodlines, Freedom Wars, Soul Sacrifice Delta
2015: Bloodborne (jointly with From Software)
2016: The Tomorrow Children, The Last Guardian
2017: No Heroes Allowed! VR, Gravity Rush 2, Everybody's Golf, Knack II, The Last Guardian VR 20-min demo, The Playroom VR
2018: Astro Bot Rescue Mission, Deracine
2019: Everybody's Golf VR
I feel like the next few years will be bring quite a bit from them considering their output in 2017/2018 in particular. We can safely assume since 2019 that they're all working on next-gen titles.
A few problems with this logic:
1. They're creating a new studio, they launched new studios already this gen, and they recently bought Insomniac Games, which people keep forgetting is an efficient developer. It's already provably false that they haven't tried to expand their first party when they said they would, and they have.
2. This assumes there are only, like, five developers they can work on. There are hundreds upon hundreds of developers looking for funding that people don't know about. Who knew much about Iron Man VR's developer? Or Predator's? Did anyone know about Guerrilla before the PS2 days? Or Media Molecule before PS3?
The thing is about half of those games they made with other people so i would really call it there out put alone .
IMO if Bend can be 60 plus people and grow to 130 and make DG Japan studio should have been able to so the same with new IPs for this gen .
Ehh, you have to also consider that they've always collaborated with other developers. Dark Cloud's a good example of a Sony Japan game that they worked on with a different developer. Demon's Souls is another.
What people are forgetting too is that Sony closed a lot of studios like Evolution Studios, Bigbig Studios, Cambridge Studio, Studio Liverpool, Manchester Studio, etc.
Jim Ryan said "content is more important than ever". He is right. Getting exclusives from 3rd parties is too expensive these days. And indie studios are getting bought left and right from Google, MS, Facebook, etc.
It's time to get a few more studios. I'm still waiting.
God I miss The Tomorrow Children.
Dylan... your child was too beautiful for this cruel world! :((
There are publishers out there willing to publish and fund titles made by external developers and they don't demand the IP from studios, when Sony is only willing to find your game if they own the IP.
We are in a generation when IP ownership is vital for a lot of developers and some of them were burn out during last gen when they made a successful title but the IP now belongs to a publisher and they can't do a lot.
It is not surprising seeing Epic Games, 2K, Warner Bros and even Activision being open with finding title and letting developers own the IP and I guess this is a much better deal than giving up your IP entirely.
We are in a generation when IP ownership is vital for a lot of developers and some of them were burn out during last gen when they made a successful title but the IP now belongs to a publisher and they can't do a lot.
It is not surprising seeing Epic Games, 2K, Warner Bros and even Activision being open with finding title and letting developers own the IP and I guess this is a much better deal than giving up your IP entirely.
The thing about Insomniac is that they're a known quantity and already have games they're making for Sony. If you aren't excited about sequels to Ratchet and Spider-Man, what's the big deal about Insom?
That's why I'm saying Sony needs new teams - not because they don't HAVE ANY teams, but because they need to add more new ideas and new IPs to cover areas they aren't covering right now.
To be fair, it's not like it's an infallible rule.
Sony of the past would never have funded Spider-Man or Predator, both games where they don't own the IP. Or Death Stranding, which clearly had PC in the dotted line from day one, even with IP ownership.
That was my point .
They should have stop that and build up there self internally.
Form teams and get a culture going instead they were made to work with other directors \people.
If you look at all of Sony other studios you see new talent and leaders over the years not so for Studio Japan and they have the numbers .
They don't own the IP, but they licensed the proprieties, they own them right now for X years.
Death Stranding is the exception tho.
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Sony of the past did the same. 24 - The Game, Ra.One, etc. just to name a few. Working on foreign IPs is nothing new for SIE.
I'll pose a question:
After the almost guaranteed Spider-Man and Ratchet sequels, what would everyone like to see Insomniac work on?
I'd love to see them revisit the cancelled Monster Knight concept. Such a cool idea that seemed overly ambitious for the early PS2 era. I'd love to have more family-friendly but genuinely great games kind of like Ratchet.
After the almost guaranteed Spider-Man and Ratchet sequels, what would everyone like to see Insomniac work on?
I'd love to see them revisit the cancelled Monster Knight concept. Such a cool idea that seemed overly ambitious for the early PS2 era. I'd love to have more family-friendly but genuinely great games kind of like Ratchet.
Well, my Nyko smartclip came in today. This will have to do for now. Hopefully we get a better) remote play solution besides the Vita.
This I agree with. There is absolutely no reason or excuse for Japan Studio to be so utterly mediocre outside of piss poor management. If it is by design it's a pathetic design.
New IP and another crack at Sunset Overdrive (don't @ me, let me dream)
I guess their AAA games will be Spider-Man related next gen. So I hope we will get some games from them from a Ratchet & Clank-sized team (~40 - 50 devs maybe?). I think they could make a great arcade racer like Sony's Rollcage. Something like that. You don't need a huge budget / a lot of devs to make a nice arcade racer.
We both know this IP is dead, son 😉
although i liked the concept, i really would like they to work on Sunset Overdrive 2 :)
Probably something completely new. Dunno what I would want out of them though, because honestly I'm kind of at capacity for Western third person action games and I don't know if I'm ever going to be particularly interested in more of them.
Super excited to try this out, damn I hope it's good...at least serviceable lol.
Mediocrity is mediocrity. Outside of Astro Bot they have not made an impacful game on their own since when?
Nobody forgot that, but they've closed studios before this gen. That's not new. Even some of those you mentioned were studios they also bought before; it's not like they were 4-gen mainstays and numbers have done nothing but dwindle.
You're also not waiting considering Insomniac wasn't that long ago. I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume that wasn't it considering they bought Insomniac without telegraphing their moves to us while they were doing it.
No wonder this board scares away insiders. I can't imagine thinking I'd be able to openly talk about things I'm working on when I read your posts about trying to find an unknown quantity that isn't currently making games for Sony that is making new IPs you don't know about and is working on new ideas but not the new ideas Insomniac tackled already and the new ideas need to be made by a company that's an unknown quantity, which is the only way it'd be a big deal.
Not quite as dead as The Order 1886 and the chances of RAD ever working with Sony again.
(Sorry, had to)
No one better come for Sunset Overdrive in this thread! XD
They closed as many studios as they opened this gen (and that's assuming there's a new studio working with VASG on a new AAA game).
As for the 2nd points it doesn't matter how many studios there're out there. Great studios on the level Sony is looking for (able to make good games with high production values) are not common at all. Insomniac sold for +200 million without owning anything of value because of their reputation.
There's only one Ueda. There's only one Miyazaki. You can't just ask a random studio to make a AAA game for you. Sony initiative in China has been mostly average to bad so far. If you want a studio that doesn't need 10 years of nurturing and multiple games before they make a great game (that's IF they do), you need to start securing studios who already can.
It's exactly as dead as The Order. And chances of SIE and RAD working together again are pretty good. Take down the weed.
This and the God of War comic are gonna be sweet. Hopefully a Ghost of Tsushima comic gets made as well.
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