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Alandring

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Feb 2, 2018
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No, 450$ bom is not the final price. You have to add retail, shippment and other costs. They will lose money even at 499.
I know, but PlayStation 4 had a BOM of $381 and was profitable at $399 in Spring 2014. So for a BOM of $381, the final price (including retail cut, shipments, etc.) was probably around $415/420.

So the difference between BOM and total cost is around 10 percent. $450 + 10%= $495, so PlayStation 5 would be profitable on a unit basis at $499 (or really close to be).
 

Snakeeee

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Jan 20, 2019
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I know, but PlayStation 4 had a BOM of $381 and was profitable at $399 in Spring 2014. So for a BOM of $381, the final price (including retail cut, shipments, etc.) was probably around $415/420.

So the difference between BOM and total cost is around 10 percent. $450 + 10%= $495, so PlayStation 5 would be profitable on a unit basis at $499 (or really close to be).
Hum, they said that the user whould need to sub 1 year ps+ and 1 game to break even. If we assume that they get around 10-15% on the retail unit(at the time retail was like 70/80% of the sales) that whould put the ps4 overal cost around 450$.

I also remeber that it wasnt spring, but 6-12 months in.
 

ArmGunar

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Oct 30, 2017
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Hum, they said that the user whould need to sub 1 year ps+ and 1 game to break even. If we assume that they get around 10-15% on the retail unit(at the time retail was like 70/80% of the sales) that whould put the ps4 overal cost around 450$.

I also remeber that it wasnt spring, but 6-12 months in.
Kaz Hirai in May 2014 during corporate meeting
From a profitability perspective, PS4 is also already contributing profit on a hardware unit basis, establishing a very different business framework from that of previous platform businesses.
 

Snakeeee

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poklane

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Oct 25, 2017
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With the $450 BOM I really hope that's also the maximum at which Sony will sell it for. Sure, they'd lose money on every unit sold for a while but with PS+ being required for online Multiplayer (excluding f2p) and the increasing amount of people buying their games digitally (from which Sony takes an estimated 30% cut) it's never been this easy in the history of video games for a platform holder to make up for selling a console at a loss.
 

Pariah

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Oct 29, 2017
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Only a demo or a trial version could create a large difference between users and sales. Such is not the case for Gran Turismo, so even discounting a few hundreds of thousands from the second-hand market (which is astronomical and most probably removed from reality), we're talking of a hardcore racing game moving around 8 million units after only 2 years. I think it's a really impressive result.
 

Bundy

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Oct 27, 2017
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Launch the PS5 with a game included/bundled (Ratchet & Clank or Ape Escape) for $449 and keep rocking it with great exclusives.
DO IT, SONY!
($399 would be awesome. Highly unlikely tho.)
 

AlphaFoxWarfare

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Mar 26, 2019
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No Dreams PC plans at the moment but PS5.

Not surprising that they'll put it on PS5 since it is releasing so late in the generation. I wonder if there will be PS5 exclusive levels for the community to make to take advantage of the hardware.
 

Electro

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Oct 25, 2017
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Not surprising that they'll put it on PS5 since it is releasing so late in the generation. I wonder if there will be PS5 exclusive levels for the community to make to take advantage of the hardware.
Creation mode will probably have a much bigger thermo on PS5 and hopefully it will be possible to play these levels also on PS4.

More creation freedom with PS5 but everything playable on both consoles would be nice.
 

AngelOFDeath

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Nov 13, 2017
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Launch the PS5 with a game included/bundled (Ratchet & Clank or Ape Escape) for $449 and keep rocking it with great exclusives.
DO IT, SONY!
($399 would be awesome. Highly unlikely tho.)
Expect some free Plus or Now, or both instead. That way they can reel em in immediately (depending how long the free last) and instantly gain on a user if any of those prices go up.
 

DigSCCP

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Nov 16, 2017
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The racing sim genre is not as big as it once was, 8M for an online focus GT game is pretty good in my opinion.
Honestly I don´t think unique users is a good metric.
I bought GTS used for US10, played for a month and sold it to somebody else.
The previous owner, me and the buyer are unique users.
Everytime a see a dev using unique user as a metric I feel like things are not great as they are trying to claim,
 
Oct 30, 2017
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Honestly I don´t think unique users is a good metric.
I bought GTS used for US10, played for a month and sold it to somebody else.
The previous owner, me and the buyer are unique users.
Everytime a see a dev using unique user as a metric I feel like things are not great as they are trying to claim,
Even units sold can be deceiving if most sales happened at <$10.

A combination of units sold, active users, revenue etc is preferable (obviously) to get a better picture.
 
Oct 17, 2019
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When we said we we're going to get PS5 news on Dreams' launch day....
WE *claps*WERE*claps*JOKING

Which one of the Sony leakers thought it was a funny idea to do Mm like that? XD
 

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Oct 27, 2017
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Honestly I don´t think unique users is a good metric.
I bought GTS used for US10, played for a month and sold it to somebody else.
The previous owner, me and the buyer are unique users.
Everytime a see a dev using unique user as a metric I feel like things are not great as they are trying to claim,
True, but isn't that the case for every consumer product? Phones, consoles, games, etc?
 

edo_kid

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Oct 27, 2017
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Honestly I don´t think unique users is a good metric.
I bought GTS used for US10, played for a month and sold it to somebody else.
The previous owner, me and the buyer are unique users.
Everytime a see a dev using unique user as a metric I feel like things are not great as they are trying to claim,
As of September 2017 they had sold 5,220,000 copies, even if let's say 40% of their copies since then have used they still would be at 7M sold.
They will probably update the website with the sold numbers at some point.
 
Oct 17, 2019
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So in the last month, Remedy has had Twitter iteractions with:
-Media Molecule
-KojiPro
-Naughty Dog

...and Shu

The sexual tension between Remedy and SIE is real XD

/joking.... Kind of
 

Memento

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Oct 26, 2017
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PS5 Launch Bundle: $499, including 3 months of PlayStation Now

Now the big news. The games that will be avaiable on PSNow on PS5 launch month: The Last of Us Part II, Dreams and Ghost of Tsushima. BO-fucking-OOM.

That way they would drastically increase interest on the service and imediatelly change its public perception, having their 3 biggest games of the year at launch for "free" on the service.