He wouldn't have to approach it like that though. And at the very least the pikachu dad would have a grasp on what was happening and could go from there. The writing is lazy, and bad.
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Pokémon Detective Pikachu |OT| Very Twisty [Open Spoilers]
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Sure, but one can stretch logic a bit and think that if Pokemon are around people for sometime, they would eventually start speaking. Now here you would say, well, dogs have been around for a lot of years and they don't speak English, but Pokemon are usually portrayed as being more intelligent than a regular, real life animal.
I think it is a bit like that situation where Buzz Lightyear doesnt think he is a toy but still acts like one around humans. It may be a plot hole but lazy writing? nah.
It's definitely lazy writing when the movie demonstrates mewtwo can easily show pikachu what happened as soon as his memory is wiped, but chooses not to until the end because plot. And also 21 year old man doesn't recognize the voice of his dad that he heard every day for the first 10 years of his life.
They make it clear that only Tim can hear him. Its never portrayed as pikachu learning to speak.
Even if it was, being an experienced detective with perfect diction (in his dads voice) is different from just learning to speak, that's a very specific human career.
I think Mewtwo kind of does? I mean, M2 does tell Pikachu to come back with the son in order to be split again. I feel like the implication is that Pikachu lost his memories AFTER Mewtwo told him what's up.
Maybe that just shifts the plot hole elsewhere, I dunno. It feels pretty handwave-y but it works well enough for me--fiery car crash, disorientation, Mewtwo doing weird shit to you, etc. could be enough justification for amnesia.
Pikachu was knocked out after the fuse and Mewtwo had people chasing him. Is it too much convenience? Sure. I don't think it detracts too much from the movie.
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The images you posted literally say Mew gave birth and that Mewtwo is a newborn. Moreover, they were in the wild following Mew when this happened.Mewtwo was always a clone, created in the Pokemon Mansion on Cinnabar Island.
What I understood was that he transferred Harry's mind and then wiped him. Tha's why he never thinks he was a human before. As why Mewtwo didnt take extra 30 seconds, well that you could say it is for the convenience of the plot, but I do still think that it works either way. Plus, he had the Greninjas and lab staff on his ass.
As for why he didn't recognize his father's voice, well, that's a good point, but I don't think it is a fatal flaw.
I guess that could make sense. Not recognizing the voice is still a huge leap of faith for me though. And beyond some INCREDIBLE fan service scenes I really don't see how this is "the best video game movie ever". It's certainly not the worst, but it's probably around the Mortal Kombat, Silent Hill realm of fun fan service that nails the tone but is also a shitty ass movie on it's own. People on social media talkin bout this fuckin thing like it's into the Spiderverse.
What makes y'all think it actually had Harry's voice and that's not just for audience convenience. He's clearly not saying actual words, so it's working on some telepathic level.
In addition, Tim hasn't seen (and probably hasn't spoken to) his dad in like a decade.
In addition, Tim hasn't seen (and probably hasn't spoken to) his dad in like a decade.
Mewtwo WAS on the run from people who had already captured him once
This was an awful movie that was packed with awesome Pokemon fanservice. Seeing the world realized was great, but the plot was horrendously bad, even for a kids' movie. I enjoyed it, but if it wasn't something that I had a strong nostalgic attachment to like Pokemon, this would probably be the first movie I'd walked out of in my life. That being said, seeing Pokemon realized competently and faithfully in a live action setting was great, and I'd love to see more of this world. Just with a competent writing team that respects the audience a bit more.
Thing is, you're arguing that the anime is accurate. Mewtwo was grown in a tube from a sample Mew's DNA, which is the same thing they reference in the films. They are never implied to have captured Mew in the journals. Furthermore, none of the games ever call Mewtwo a clone or use the word clone in reference to Mewtwo. Moreover, you're suggesting they captured Mew, implanted a clone embryo in Mew, let it give birth, then further experimented on that clone to create Mewtwo. Instead of Mew birthing a Mew they experimented on.
EDIT: I forgot the biggest thing here. That they did all this and then RELEASED MEW BACK INTO THE WILD AFTERWARDS.
Everything is moving so fast in this movie that characters don't have time to personally engage with what they're dealing with. It's why so much of Tim and Pikachu's conversation end up being snarky banter back and forth with hit and miss humor. With that being said, I didn't hate any of the characters. They weren't offensively bad to me.
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Can we talk about how Detective Pikachu and Home Alone take place in the same cinematic universe
Ryan Reynolds felt like he was just MST3K-ing being in a Pokemon movie. I wish the jokes were more clever instead of just observational humor.
What was the deal with that, anyway? Seemed like a weird reference for this type of movie.
The theory my friends and I came up with was that it was cheaper to use the pre-existing Home Alone footage instead of sourcing an actual detective movie or filming their own clip just for the movie. Probably not a meaningful reference.
After watching it. I can why the reviews are in the 60-70 range.
Poor writing overall. This film moves way too fast in my opinion. And it also fails to built some of its characters.
I mean. It is a kids move, so I understand the pace. So much miss potential honestly.
Overall. I found it mediocre and disappointing. Its not a bad film tho, just not a good one either. I love Pokémon, but all the cool references doesnt take always the criticisms I have
Poor writing overall. This film moves way too fast in my opinion. And it also fails to built some of its characters.
I mean. It is a kids move, so I understand the pace. So much miss potential honestly.
Overall. I found it mediocre and disappointing. Its not a bad film tho, just not a good one either. I love Pokémon, but all the cool references doesnt take always the criticisms I have
Notice it when he answered his phone after trying to catch the cubone.
I knew something looked off about the Neon Blue and Red lol
Yeah but I mean he was fine up until he got captured days later. Not a deal breaker tbh, I expected plot holes. I just don't understand people praising a sub-par movie full of plot holes and bad acting. I love pokemon and thought the world building and effects were great, but this isn't a good movie by any means.
I just went and saw this movie. Had to take my daughter to the bathroom right near the end of the previews, so I missed the very beginning intro of the movie.
When I walked in, there was a glowing red worded sign, and then Mew Two was in the air.
Didn't really realize the movie had actually started when I first walked in.
Right after I sat down, Tim (?) and his friend were headed out to a field where his friend set him up to catch a pokemon.
Now after the movie, I asked my friend and her daughters what the actual intro to the movie was, and the fact that they all stated it was when they were in the field for the pokemon, I thought it was hilarious, because I know I saw a scene before that, but I had my back to the screen as I was going up the stairs to my seat.
So my question is, what was the actual opening scene to Detective Pikachu, and what else did I miss before the scene in the field?
When I walked in, there was a glowing red worded sign, and then Mew Two was in the air.
Didn't really realize the movie had actually started when I first walked in.
Right after I sat down, Tim (?) and his friend were headed out to a field where his friend set him up to catch a pokemon.
Now after the movie, I asked my friend and her daughters what the actual intro to the movie was, and the fact that they all stated it was when they were in the field for the pokemon, I thought it was hilarious, because I know I saw a scene before that, but I had my back to the screen as I was going up the stairs to my seat.
So my question is, what was the actual opening scene to Detective Pikachu, and what else did I miss before the scene in the field?
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It was just a scene of Mewtwo escaping from the lab and Harry's car being taken off the road
oh so I didn't miss anything.
I figured it had to do with that car scene they replayed about 7 different times near the end of the movie
What's hilarious, is my daughter didn't remember watching Home Alone before (she's 6) so we just watched it last night.
Tonight we watch Det Pika, and she got all excited when she recognized that scene on the TV.
I figured it had to do with that car scene they replayed about 7 different times near the end of the movie
What's hilarious, is my daughter didn't remember watching Home Alone before (she's 6) so we just watched it last night.
Tonight we watch Det Pika, and she got all excited when she recognized that scene on the TV.
Please elaborate on the plot holes.
Many people use the term plot hole nowadays for plot beats they don't understand, miss or just plain dislike.
The only plot hole I could think of is why didn't the kid recognized his father's voice the whole film. But, they didn't really hang out too much in the past however many years, so I guess that's the reason.
Yeah. I spent a lot of time with my grandpa when I was a kid. He died when I was 10. When I was 20 I couldn't remember what his voice sounded like, and still can't, so it's not that gaping a plothole
I wasn't going to see this movie because of the video game movie curse, but when reviews came out and they were positive I had to go see it and damn they were right. It is the first good video game movie. Well, there were good fan films, but from Hollywood, this is the first. I guess I should've known and all of us since Nintendo was so mad from Super Mario Bros. they didn't let anyone make a movie based on one of their games since so if they let Hollywood do another they'd make sure it was going to be legit and it was.
It felt like I was in the Pokemon world b and I loved it. I liked the movie a lot. According to YouTubers I must be the only one who didn't see any of the twists coming and in mystery movies I never do despite trying to think about what could happen or who it would be for a little bit. I really didn't expect to see so many children in my theater. I didn't think children nowadays even cared about Pokemon. They were kind of annoying I was trying to enjoy some of the emotional parts and they were getting all restless and shit.
As far as the movie went I couldn't help but think that Danny Devito should've been voicing Pikachu thanks to y'all. Ryan did an okay job. A lot of reviewers saying he was doing the Deadpool thing and I could only see it with his pee joke, but that was it.
The CG on the Pokemon was really cool. I was just nitpicky with some of the designs like with Jiggs and Snorlax, but that was minor shit. I really liked just trying to catch every Pokemon and Easter Egg I could find. The best part of the movie for me was the beginning because it set up the world and let you feel engrossed into it.
When the trailer dropped for this last year I think I was wondering why the hell is Mewtwo in it, but he's actually an integral part of the story and damn Mewtwo was always powerful, but they made him really powerful in this. He can merge souls now?! That shit is fucking crazy especially at the end when homegirl was like "Can you fix this" and Mewtwo was like "I got ya", waved his hand, the gas went away and the Pokemon and humans were separate again. Also how fucking crazy was it that the research lab was on a giant Toraterra? They foreshadowed it in that scene when Lucy said that it looks like they were experimenting on Pokemon evolution, but I didn't see that coming until that shot. I was thinking it until the last reveal and then it was even crazier because it wasn't just one, but like 3 fucking giant Toraterra!
Also, I in that scene where Pikachu got hit in the neck by a rock I couldn't help but think "doesn't homegirl have a potion or Lemonade on her". I also wasn't expecting Mewtwo in the woods. If he ran off why would he hide so close to lab and he knows Heal Pulse too?
I wish the one battle we got wasn't interrupted and just a straight fight though. This movie was fantastic and I can't wait for a Pokemon movie universe or better yet a Nintendo movie universe. It would be so freaking dope!
It felt like I was in the Pokemon world b and I loved it. I liked the movie a lot. According to YouTubers I must be the only one who didn't see any of the twists coming and in mystery movies I never do despite trying to think about what could happen or who it would be for a little bit. I really didn't expect to see so many children in my theater. I didn't think children nowadays even cared about Pokemon. They were kind of annoying I was trying to enjoy some of the emotional parts and they were getting all restless and shit.
As far as the movie went I couldn't help but think that Danny Devito should've been voicing Pikachu thanks to y'all. Ryan did an okay job. A lot of reviewers saying he was doing the Deadpool thing and I could only see it with his pee joke, but that was it.
The CG on the Pokemon was really cool. I was just nitpicky with some of the designs like with Jiggs and Snorlax, but that was minor shit. I really liked just trying to catch every Pokemon and Easter Egg I could find. The best part of the movie for me was the beginning because it set up the world and let you feel engrossed into it.
When the trailer dropped for this last year I think I was wondering why the hell is Mewtwo in it, but he's actually an integral part of the story and damn Mewtwo was always powerful, but they made him really powerful in this. He can merge souls now?! That shit is fucking crazy especially at the end when homegirl was like "Can you fix this" and Mewtwo was like "I got ya", waved his hand, the gas went away and the Pokemon and humans were separate again. Also how fucking crazy was it that the research lab was on a giant Toraterra? They foreshadowed it in that scene when Lucy said that it looks like they were experimenting on Pokemon evolution, but I didn't see that coming until that shot. I was thinking it until the last reveal and then it was even crazier because it wasn't just one, but like 3 fucking giant Toraterra!
Also, I in that scene where Pikachu got hit in the neck by a rock I couldn't help but think "doesn't homegirl have a potion or Lemonade on her". I also wasn't expecting Mewtwo in the woods. If he ran off why would he hide so close to lab and he knows Heal Pulse too?
I wish the one battle we got wasn't interrupted and just a straight fight though. This movie was fantastic and I can't wait for a Pokemon movie universe or better yet a Nintendo movie universe. It would be so freaking dope!
I was half expecting Mewtwo to say "where I must be" because I remember that line from MSB
I thought the film was avarage but passable and mostly unoffsive. I was enjoying it for most part for the first two acts.
Then it just goes to 11 when it starts Invoking Tim Burton batman and war of worlds with a human mewtwo and tops it off with a sprinkle of jack frost, I have not smacked my head so much since batman V superman.
They showed off all the best stuff in the trailers.
Then it just goes to 11 when it starts Invoking Tim Burton batman and war of worlds with a human mewtwo and tops it off with a sprinkle of jack frost, I have not smacked my head so much since batman V superman.
They showed off all the best stuff in the trailers.