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Which starter will you choose?


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Oct 25, 2017
308
Starter rankings, huh?

Serperior > Sceptile > Decidueye > Torterra > Meganium > Venusaur > Chesnaught
While I've only picked the Grass starter as my first choice once (Snivy), I think they have some of the highest "cool factor" evolutions in the series--in fact, if I didn't always pick based on the first form and stick by them no matter what, I might've ended up going with Grass starters in Gens 3, 4, and 7. That said...on the flipside, those that aren't REALLY cool tend to be REALLY lame. I have a soft spot for Meganium, but sorry, I just don't like Venusaur and Chesnaught much!

Typhlosion > Charizard > Blaziken > Infernape > Incineroar > Delphox > Emboar
Similarly to Grass, I've only picked Fire as my first choice once, and that was Cyndaquil. Despite the advent of the 3D era and Typhlosion...well, to be blunt, looking like shit nowadays, it's still one of the first starters that I got really attached to, so it tops my list. Charizard hate is trendy, and I guess it's fair to be annoyed at all the attention it's gotten in recent years, but it's still a really great, classic design--so even as someone who's annoyed at all the Gen I pandering in recent years I still just like it! Blaziken and Infernape are decent enough, but man, the past few generations the fire starters really haven't been all that hot--Incineroar's grown on me a little bit, but none of them are top tier designs in my book.

Swampert > Primarina > Greninja > Feraligatr > Empoleon > Blastoise > Samurott
Finally, we come to what seems to be my type of choice--accounting for 5/7 (well, really 6/8 since I'm going Team Sobble for these games) of my first picks. Water starters rarely disappoint me; even when they go in a direction that wouldn't be my first choice, as in the cases of Greninja and Primarina, they seem to execute it well enough that I don't mind. The one and only exception here is Samurott; I don't necessarily mind that it's a different species from its pre-evolutions, I just think it doesn't look good. Otherwise, Swampert tops my list because he's a kinda awkward Pokemon, and I find that oddly endearing--even his Mega Evolution preserves that awkwardness by making him so top-heavy, and you know what, I appreciate that. Primarina is a close second; there are a lot of elegant Pokemon in my overall favorites (Vaporeon's my #1, for example), and Primarina fits into a similar mold--plus, her Z-Move has you singing people to death, how can you not love it?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Objective Best Starters List That Cannot be Disagreed With Ever

Fire:
Emboar > Monferno > Incineroar > Blaziken/Typhlosion/Charizard >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Delphox

Emboar(especially shiny) Is one of the best Pokemon designs in the series as a buff chinese boar boy. Infernape I really love, but Monferno is an even better design IMHO. Don't like the white fluff. Incineroar is a goddamn Heel Wrestler which is some of the most charm and personality a single Pokemon's ever gotten. Blaphlozard are all whatever, not big on any of them, but Delphox is downright horrendous. The only pokemon design out of nearly 1000 that i vehemently despise.

Fire type is really the only starters I typically adore.

Grass:

Torterra > Grovyle > Meganium > Decidueye/Chesnaught/Venusaur > Serperior

Torterra being a walking biome is fuckin rad, period. Grovyle is cooler than Sceptile. Meganium has that cute lil flower necklace :3. The others are okay, but serperior is really just myeh. Don't care for regal designs.

Water:

Swampert/Feraligatr > Greninja > Piplup/Oshawatt > Blastoise > Primarina

Swampert and Feraligatr will forever be goddamn amazing, top tier mons. Greninja was eh at first but outside media overtime made him way more rad. Piplup and Oshawatt have the problem of me not being able to even picture their final evos in my head lol. Blastoise is only better than Primarina because I'm not too big on super feminine/regal/whatever themed Pokemon.

Favs:

Emboar > Monferno > Swampert tbh
 
Feb 26, 2019
178
Tijuana
Going back to the designs topic, I think MOST of the Alolan forms were pretty neat

An example of a new design that still looks like a Pokémon.




And then even earlier we were talking about the amount of new Pokémon, the "hitting the 1000" dilemma, the lack of National Pokédex in newer games, etc. and I was thinking I actually wouldn't mind if in a future game we only get a few new Pokémon, if in compensation all of the older Pokémon that made up the new Regional Dex got a regional variant.

I know regional variants most likely won't be revisited ever again, but I think it's a nice way to justify the inclusion of the same old Pokémon over and over, and if ALL of them got this new form, it would feel like you're just playing with a whole new set of unknown creatures. And after you beat the game you can transfer the classic Pokémon from previous regions, so everyone is happy.

Heck, even just changing the color palette, like a new kind of shiny. Actually it would be cool if we could identify a Pikachu that comes from Kanto, to the one from Johto, Hoenn, Alola, etc, if they had a different tone, or some kind of mark on the back or something.
 
Jan 22, 2019
71
Had no idea people disliked Delphox so much. I always liked its wizard/witch inspired design, which is refreshing when compared to the other fire starters. Would rank it #2 in this category, just after Typhlosion.
 
Oct 25, 2017
19,858
Going back to the designs topic, I think MOST of the Alolan forms were pretty neat

An example of a new design that still looks like a Pokémon.




And then even earlier we were talking about the amount of new Pokémon, the "hitting the 1000" dilemma, the lack of National Pokédex in newer games, etc. and I was thinking I actually wouldn't mind if in a future game we only get a few new Pokémon, if in compensation all of the older Pokémon that made up the new Regional Dex got a regional variant.

I know regional variants most likely won't be revisited ever again, but I think it's a nice way to justify the inclusion of the same old Pokémon over and over, and if ALL of them got this new form, it would feel like you're just playing with a whole new set of unknown creatures. And after you beat the game you can transfer the classic Pokémon from previous regions, so everyone is happy.

Heck, even just changing the color palette, like a new kind of shiny. Actually it would be cool if we could identify a Pikachu that comes from Kanto, to the one from Johto, Hoenn, Alola, etc, if they had a different tone, or some kind of mark on the back or something.
Wow, so you think a palette swap of gen 1 pokemon still "look like pokemon".

Can I get a definition of what a pokemon looks like?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Grass: Venusaur = Sceptile = Torterra > Decidueye > Serperior = Chesnaught >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meganium

Fire: Blaziken > Charizard = Typhlosion > Infernape > Delphox > Emboar = Incineroar

Water: Feraligatr = Empoleon = Samurott > Greninja > Blastoise = Marshtomp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Primarina

Overall:
Blaziken
Venusaur = Charizard = Typhlosion = Feraligatr = Sceptile = Torterra = Empoleon = Samurott
Decidueye = Greninja
Blastoise
= Marshtomp = Infernape
Delphox

Serperior = Emboar = Chesnaught = Incineroar






Meganium
Primarina



Surprisingly enough, Water either ties or beats out Fire for my overall favorite starter type. Grass isn't too far behind, though the other two beat it out a good bit.

Kudos to Primarina for outdoing the worst starter since gen 2, that's honestly impressive
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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If we're looking at the grass type tradition of being based on extinct animals, Chesnaught is probably a Glyptodon, which were basically ancient giant armadillos.
Ooh, does this case hold? I'd love to see a pattern among all 3 starters. I can see Venusaur, Meganium, and Torterra, but what about the other four?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Infernape > Blaziken = Incineroar = Charizard > Typhlosion > Emboar > Delphox

Greninja > Swampert = Empoleon > Feraligatr > Blastoise > Samurott > Primarina (I actually quite like Primarina though, regardless of it being my least favorite water starter design)

Decidueye > Sceptile = Torterra > Venusaur > Serperior > Chesnaught > Meganium (bayleaf is the shit though)

this is the definitive list people, look no further
 
Oct 26, 2017
219
Man, these lists are awful. Here's a better one:

( Venusaur = Torterra ) > ( Serperior = Decidueye) > Chesnaught > ( Meganium = Sceptile )
Charizard > Typhlosion > Emboar > ( Infernape = Delphox = Incineroar ) > Blaziken
Greninja > Blastoise > Samurott > Empoleon > Primarina > Feraligatr > Swampert
 
Oct 26, 2017
2,054
Had no idea people disliked Delphox so much. I always liked its wizard/witch inspired design, which is refreshing when compared to the other fire starters. Would rank it #2 in this category, just after Typhlosion.
My problem with Delphox is its horrible and awkward standard pose of just standing there straight. Its pose in the art is what its standard pose should’ve been. Otherwise I love it, prefer it to Chesnaught and I usually dislike Fire types to Grass starters.

Anyway for me:

Grass: Venusaur > Meganium (haters keep hating) => Decidueye >= Sceptile > Serperior > Torterra > Chesnaught

Fire (my least favorite, overrated and unfairly advantaged and blatant favoritism by Gamefreak): Typhlosion > Delphox > Infernape > Incineroar > Emboar >>>>> Charizard >>>>> Blaziken

Water: Feraligatr >= Greninja > Primarina > Swampert > Blastoise > Samurott > Empoleon

I won’t do an overall cuz it’s pretty much just a mix of the grass and water with fire all being last, minus Delphox and Typhlosion being about the middle above the last three grass/water.
 
Oct 27, 2017
4,090
Had no idea people disliked Delphox so much. I always liked its wizard/witch inspired design, which is refreshing when compared to the other fire starters. Would rank it #2 in this category, just after Typhlosion.
The design was ugly and hideous. They should had went all out with a witch hat, fire staff/wand, and more magicy stuff. I honestly thought her better design was being held off in favor of some cooler Mega Evolution for the Gen 6 Starters.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,377
Had no idea people disliked Delphox so much. I always liked its wizard/witch inspired design, which is refreshing when compared to the other fire starters. Would rank it #2 in this category, just after Typhlosion.
It's mainly its 3D model that killed it for me initially, it looks so sterile lol. Once I saw it in the anime I was like aight I get this. I do think Braixen is better though.
 
Oct 8, 2018
758
Sydney
Elesa and N won a Valentine's popularity contest. Gen V being well liked is not just an ERA thing.

Can only hope that Gen VIII has a character as good as N.

Officially best waifu.
Note: Both of these were drawn to commemorate Elesa and N winning the poll. So both of these pictures should be official art.
 
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Stealing Turbanator's layout:

Grass: Sceptile > Torterra >>> Serperior >> Decidueye > Venusaur > Meganium = Chesnaught

Fire: Charizard >>> Blaziken > Infernape > Typhlosion >> Delphox > Emboar > Incineroar

Water: Greninja > Blastoise >> Feraligatr >>> Swampert >> Samurott = Empoleon >>> Primarina

Overall:
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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Elesa and N won a Valentine's popularity contest. Gen V being well liked is not just an ERA thing.

Can only hope that Gen VIII has a character as good as N.
I mean I'd argue that N is easily the most interesting and compelling character in any Pokemon game (Though lets be honest, this is hardly some great feat). Someone can appreciate N while not liking other aspects of gen 5
 
Oct 25, 2017
9,501
It's from the official website for winning the poll. They selected one character male and female from each gen and had people tweet which one they would rather get chocolate from and since those two one they got art of them giving you chocolate.

I mean I'd argue that N is easily the most interesting and compelling character in any Pokemon game (Though lets be honest, this is hardly some great feat). Someone can appreciate N while not liking other aspects of gen 5
With this specific contest attractiveness plays a major part as well lol.
 
Feb 26, 2019
178
Tijuana
Wow, so you think a palette swap of gen 1 pokemon still "look like pokemon".

Can I get a definition of what a pokemon looks like?
Yes! Here it is:


JK lol

Hey, don't be mad at me. I do prefer Gen I, but I have nothing against new Pokémon, at all. All the opposite, I wish we had lots and lots of new Pokémon every generation, perfectly conscious of the fact that they're not gonna look anything like the original 151.

All I'm saying is that I DO understand extremist genwunners, because I kinda agree to some extent with them. The difference is that I do accept the new Pokémon as what they are, Pokémon. New Pokémon with new designs, that come to expand the definition of a Pokémon and its universe .

What I was trying to say with the Alolan forms is that, even though I'm in favor of new designs and new kinds of colors, or eyes, or features, I don't think the style of the original Pokémon isn't that bad that cannot be brought back into newer generations too. Because the opposite extreme, people that loathes and criticizes everything about Gen I (because probably they weren't even born when it came out, or old enough to remember, but anyways) usually put the newer generations as if they came here to fix the original Pokémon's mistakes or flaws. As if their style was so basic and wrong that it would be a huge mistake to do something like the original creatures. And to me, the Alolan forms is a great example of how they can implement new designs and ideas, like Alolan Marowak or Alolan Sandslash without making the creatures look as if they came from another videogame/anime/universe.

And it's not just about the eyes, that was just an example from reddit, it's something less tangible I guess, that makes you say "hey, that's a Pokémon!" just like when you see any random character with those Vegeta uniforms, you'll automatically know it's from Dragon Ball Z. But I think there are many other examples of newer Pokémon that could kinda pass as one of the originals: Pachirisu, Victini, Bounsweet, Togekiss, and so on.



And lastly, the color palette / regional variant was just a suggestion to the never ending problem of not wanting to introduce lots of new Pokémon, because there are too many already, so they always end up putting hundreds of the older ones, so it would be a nice incentive for the designers to give a new design to all the old Pokémon they wanna feature in the new region, without being worried about the total number of Pokémon getting close to 1000 (which is inevitably happening sooner or later), and also a good reason for us who have been playing for years to actually go and catch the old Pokémon in the new games that otherwise could just transfer from Poké Bank. So that comment was more about the "National Pokédex / too many Pokémon" topic and not the "genwunners and their triangular eyes".

And for the record, I do love every Pokémon, and I do these collages with the official artwork:
https://www.deviantart.com/macuarro...t_new=10:1542258112&ga_type=edit&ga_changes=1

don't know if it's gonna embed, 'cause it's too big, but there's the link

I think they all look amazing together
 
Oct 25, 2017
194
Starter Rankings? Ok then:

Grass:
Torterra>Sceptile>Venusaur>Decidueye>Chesnaught>Serperior>Meganium

Fire:
Incineroar>Charizard>Typlosion>Emboar>Delphox>Blaziken>Infernape

Water:
Blastoise>Greninja>Feraligatr>Swampert>Empoleon>Samurott>Primarina

I think that Mega Charizard Y feels like the true natural progression of Charizard's concept and more line with the other Kanto starters mega evolutions.
On the other hand, despite loving its color scheme and the blue flame concept, it really feels like Charizard X is more a "what if fanboys designed it" situation.
 
Sep 2, 2018
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Sceptile > Venusaur > torterra > decidueye > meganium > serperior > chesnaught
Blaziken > Charizard > infernape > incineroar > Delphox > typhlosion
Feraligatr > empoleon > Blastoise > swampert > Greninja > primarina
 
Oct 29, 2017
1,508
Going back to the designs topic, I think MOST of the Alolan forms were pretty neat

An example of a new design that still looks like a Pokémon.




And then even earlier we were talking about the amount of new Pokémon, the "hitting the 1000" dilemma, the lack of National Pokédex in newer games, etc. and I was thinking I actually wouldn't mind if in a future game we only get a few new Pokémon, if in compensation all of the older Pokémon that made up the new Regional Dex got a regional variant.

I know regional variants most likely won't be revisited ever again, but I think it's a nice way to justify the inclusion of the same old Pokémon over and over, and if ALL of them got this new form, it would feel like you're just playing with a whole new set of unknown creatures. And after you beat the game you can transfer the classic Pokémon from previous regions, so everyone is happy.

Heck, even just changing the color palette, like a new kind of shiny. Actually it would be cool if we could identify a Pikachu that comes from Kanto, to the one from Johto, Hoenn, Alola, etc, if they had a different tone, or some kind of mark on the back or something.
Don't think there are many Alolan forms I don't like. I had an Alolan Muk in my team for most of the game (started as a Grimer).

I love the Alolan forms where the shiny is just the 'old' colours as well and wish this was done more often.

Really hope this Gen has something akin to Galarian Forms.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I don't know how the more casual Go players will react. All I know is that I will be hype as heck for my boy Litwick.
They're getting pokemon at an accelerated pace. Rose-tinted glasses won't have time to set in, so Go players will see Trubbish and Klink and think, "oh like Grimmer and Magnemite"
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I triggered a lot of Froakie fans lmao
Sorry not sorry
I never cared for Froakie either, though those gifs on the last page are giving me second thoughts. Actually with both Froakie and Popplio I hated their designs initially, yet Greninja and Primarina became instant favorites and forced me to choose them. So far Sobble is remaining consistent with this recent trend of mine but I can't see myself betraying Scorbunny like I did Fennekin and Rowlet.

Part of me has been thinking I don't want to see the final evolutions in advance this time, or any of the new pokemon for that matter, but that's going to be hard to accomplish if I keep wandering back into threads like this lol.