Typhlosion > Charizard > Blaziken > Infernape >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Incineroar > Emboar >>>>>>>>> Delphox
It breaks my heart when people can't appreciate Typhlosion...
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It breaks my heart when people can't appreciate Typhlosion...
Quilava is just a much more balanced and good looking design for me to appreciate Typhlosion
I love Tepig so much I even got a plush of it. None of the other fire starters come close.
It only gets better with Pignite and Emboar. <3
It only gets better with Pignite and Emboar. <3
Devaluing something for exposure or popularity always seemed weird to me. Getting more attention doesn't make them any less timeless creature designs.
Serena got all the best new pokemon in the anime
Serena got all the best new pokemon in the anime
For me the order for fire starters is probably
Infernape>Charizard=Incineroar>Typhlosion>Delphox>Emboar. The Anime portrayals really help with Infernape and Incineroar in particular. Infernape is probably the best pokemon Ash has ever owned and Incineroar has a ton of personality in the anime and smash, and even in the base game
Infernape>Charizard=Incineroar>Typhlosion>Delphox>Emboar. The Anime portrayals really help with Infernape and Incineroar in particular. Infernape is probably the best pokemon Ash has ever owned and Incineroar has a ton of personality in the anime and smash, and even in the base game
Or how about people can appreciate different things without having to "balance" it out for others? Now not thinking Charizard is the absolute best is seen as having some bias against gen 1? Lol
Pikachu and Bulbasaur shit all over Charizard
Boy, am I concerned about the postgame. Give me AT LEAST a Sinnoh-level postgame for this full priced console game. ...Or bring back the VS Seeker, whichever one.
Also you're all wrong, it's
Typhlosion = Blaziken > Infernape > Charizard > Delphox > Emboar > Incineroar
Also you're all wrong, it's
Typhlosion = Blaziken > Infernape > Charizard > Delphox > Emboar > Incineroar
Still a better fire starter design than scorbunnyWhile we are at the subject of Pokemon designs, can we all agree Tepig's yellow mark is garbage and detracts from his design?
Thank you.
I mean, people are weird and we're influenced by so many factors. It's hard to be completely neutral. I never was a big Charizard fan and thought he was kinda weird, but didn't mind as much until he got too overexposed. With time my opinion started to change and influence how I view it. I'm not trying to say "he's objectively trash", just that I started to dislike the design more with the time because of other factors adding to my view of it.
For reference, I love Charizard Y and wish the actual Charizard looked like it. It's sleek, cool and simple in a way that still fits Charmander and Charmeleon.
I mean, people are weird and we're influenced by so many factors. It's hard to be completely neutral. I never was a big Charizard fan and thought he was kinda weird, but didn't mind as much until he got too overexposed. With time my opinion started to change and influence how I view it. I'm not trying to say "he's trash", just that I started to dislike the design more with the time because of other factors.
For reference, I love Charizard Y and wish the actual Charizard looked like it. It's sleek, cool and simple in a way that still fits Charmander and Charmeleon.
I don't mind the mega version, but it definitely looks like a mega version. Its angrier and has a whole lot more spikes and details. I think base Charizard is great as its such a strong shape design with its body being basically a sphere, while the mega one even added a clavicle which makes its shoulders look weirdly human. You mentioned Atsuko in the other thread which is interesting to point out that her favourite Pokemon is in fact Charizard.
I agree completely. Charizard X felt like too much. Charizard Y felt like a logical slick new redesign of Charizard. I loved it.
Fire starters are definitely my least favorite overall. Charizard was overrated to me since the start. Typhlosion is just kind of plain, but he has cool sprites. Fuck furry suit chicken. Infernape is great. Emboar is disappointing, but not bad. Delphox sucks. Incineroar....is incineroar, basically a meme at this point because of kencineroar.
The Mega Charizards are great because they actually make the Pokemon usaable.
Charizard has always been "overexposed" imo.I mean, people are weird and we're influenced by so many factors. It's hard to be completely neutral. I never was a big Charizard fan and thought he was kinda weird, but didn't mind as much until he got too overexposed. With time my opinion started to change and influence how I view it. I'm not trying to say "he's objectively trash", just that I started to dislike the design more with the time because of other factors adding to my view of it.
For reference, I love Charizard Y and wish the actual Charizard looked like it. It's sleek, cool and simple in a way that still fits Charmander and Charmeleon.
Grass (The type for those with good taste).
Torterra > Sceptile > Meganium > Venusaur > Serperior > Decidueye > Chesnaught
Water (I'm not a water starter guy besides Feraligatr).
Feraligatr > Samurott > Primarina > Swampert > Empoleon > Blastoise = Greninja
I just don't like the proportions of the normal one. I also don't feel Mega Y is that edgy? It just seems like a sleek normal Charizar. The only thing a bit too much are the small wings in its arms, but they're kinda cool imo.
Like I said, it's just a personal indifference that grew to dislike over time seeing it getting all stuff over the other Pokémon I like more. I understand people like it, I just prefer other Fire starters way way more.
I don't care for fire starters enough to make a list, but I say Venusaur>Sceptile>Decidueye>Serperior>Torterra>Meganium>>>>>>>>>>>>>>every other grass Pokemon>>>Chesnaught
It's just that saying older Pokemon are boring, overrated, overused, etc, seems to be like a norm opinion now, and it's getting annoying. My post wasn't directed to you, although it was motivated by your opinion on Charizard and other's on Typhlosion, and the discussion about the eyes a couple pages back, and how Seel is now trash although it's really a fine looking cute Pokemon, and so many other stuff.
I just don't think it's fair to criticize people who hate on gen 3-onward and then proceed to be hating of gen 1-2. It's hate all the same, makes equally no sense. Not saying you're guilty of it, but it's definitely a thing around here.
It's just that saying older Pokemon are boring, overrated, overused, etc, seems to be like a norm opinion now, and it's getting annoying. My post wasn't directed to you, although it was motivated by your opinion on Charizard and other's on Typhlosion, and the discussion about the eyes a couple pages back, and how Seel is now trash although it's really a fine looking cute Pokemon, and so many other stuff.
I just don't think it's fair to criticize people who hate on gen 3-onward and then proceed to be hating of gen 1-2. It's hate all the same, makes equally no sense. Not saying you're guilty of it, but it's definitely a thing around here.
Well, I know I still like charizard over Kentucky fried furry.
I think it's fair because of the over exposure and bias gen 1 had been getting literally in the games and other stuff. When it starts actually making the games worse in ways to non genwunners, it's fair to argue.
Its not edgy, but it does have a lot of edges! I get the appeal, I just love simplicity in Pokemon designs and shes maybe my favourite creature designer out there along with Sugimori.
I also think that Charizard looks like trash in both Pokken and Detective Pikachu with the extra detail, anatomy and general de-simplification, but I know most people seem to like those.
If it makes you feel better I think Greninja is overrated as hell too
I mean it's not meant to be a charizard compliment, I just always never liked chicken man at all. The only gen 3 design I outright dislike.
- Sceptile > Venusaur > Serperior > Torterra > Decidueye > Meganium > Chesnaught
(shiny Decidueye would be at #2) - Delphox > Charizard > Typhlosion > Infernape > Blaziken > Incineroar > Emboar
(I actually don't like any of them that much from Typhlosion onwards) - Empoleon > Primarina > Blastoise > Greninja > Swampert > Samurott > Feraligatr
(I love Squirtle and Wartortle but Blastoise has always looked so disappointing to me lol)
Overall:
- Delphox
- Empoleon
- Primarina
- Charizard
- Sceptile
- Venusaur
- Blastoise
- Serperior
- Torterra
- Decidueye
- Greninja
- Swampert
- Meganium
- Samurott
- Typhlosion
- Infernape
- Blaziken
- Feraligatr
- Chesnaught
- Incineroar
- Emboar
Love Greninja. It is together with Lucario the two Cool Pokémon that Gamefreak wanted me to like and managed to do it. They really are cool and well designed in a way that makes them iconic.
Greninja also has a bit of goofyness with the tongue scarf that doesn't make it 100% cool. It's just in the right spot where it feels like a bit of a weird species, but with a very cool design.
I think he's pretty nice. I'm biased to sleek evolutions.
I dunno about overrated when its such a good smash addition, but It was a bit annoying that the XY anime basically became The Greninja Show.
Ash-Greninja is the worst thing, and now its canon.
I have never chosen a fire starter
Decidueye > Venusuar > Meganium > Sceptile > Torterra > Serperior >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chestnaught
Water
Samurott ≥ Swamper > Feraligatr > Blastoise > Greninja = Empoleon = Primarina
Grass
Decidueye > Venusuar > Meganium > Sceptile > Torterra > Serperior >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chestnaught
Water
Samurott ≥ Swamper > Feraligatr > Blastoise > Greninja = Empoleon = Primarina
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On a separate note, I prefer normal Charizard over its megas. They made it look "cool" but Charizard is a good design because it has cool features but also some goofier elements. Reminds me of what Sugimori said about toning down coolness I read about in the other thread
Serperior = Sceptile > Chesnaught > the rest
Charizard = Blaziken = Infernape > Typhlosion = Incineroar >> Delphox >>> Emboar
Feraligatr = Greninja = Primarina > the rest
Charizard = Blaziken = Infernape > Typhlosion = Incineroar >> Delphox >>> Emboar
Feraligatr = Greninja = Primarina > the rest
Feraligatr then Empoleon then Primarina. I don't care about anyone else.
....but I don't think I hate any of them tbqh.
....but I don't think I hate any of them tbqh.
This discussion about starters just reminds me that gen 4 has the absolute best Pokémon designs of all.
Torterra, Infernape, Empoleon, Staraptor, Buizel, Roserade, Lucario, Garchomp, TOGEKISS, Rotom, Darkrai, Shaymin, Manaphy, Giratina, Dialga and Palkia, Weavile, Mamoswine, Gallade, Toxicroak... I better stop or I'll end up just listing the whole dex.
Torterra, Infernape, Empoleon, Staraptor, Buizel, Roserade, Lucario, Garchomp, TOGEKISS, Rotom, Darkrai, Shaymin, Manaphy, Giratina, Dialga and Palkia, Weavile, Mamoswine, Gallade, Toxicroak... I better stop or I'll end up just listing the whole dex.
It's amazing that the series is 20 years old and yet they never made a single bad water starter.
I'll say my controversial opinion that I like every Pokemon in at least some aspect. The only ones I outright dislike or hate are lazy recolors like the Genies or the elemental monkeys. I'll also say that one of the main reasons I tend to prefer newer Pokemon to older ones is that a lot more thought gets put into giving them personalities, unique traits in battle, and giving them a place in the ecosystem of the region. Alola especially excels at this, you'd never get shit like Pyukumuku and all the cool details about it in an older game.
Don't call me a gen 1 hater but Blastoise is an insult to Squirtle and Wartortle
The series turned 20 before Primarina existed, so yeah, I agree with you.
Yea, I can agree there for sure. Feraligatr at least is decent. Greninja, primarina, swampert, and Empoleon are fantastic. Samurott and blastoise are legit.
That's exactly it. And also part of why I feel nothing for the live action version that looks like it came from Jurassic Park.
Pokemon excels so hard with bold, stylistic design choices that work as abstractions and get lost or muddied in translation to realism.