Pokemon and wild encounters

[Zen]

Pokemon at it's core is a fantasy cock-fighting adventure game and at some point you have to come to terms that beating up and capturing animals to use for sport like that is messed up. The series has tried to mask this through contests, grooming shops, saying that a pokeball is an ideal world for the mon, and generally showing Pokemon as willing participants, but I think taking out the battle component altogether for wild encounters is a big step towards depicting humane treatment of Pokemon. I guess the next step would be we have to convince the Pokemon to our side instead of trapping them in a pokeball from the outset. But yeah I'm pretty happy I don't have to leave a trail of unconscious and weakened wild animals in my wake, even if it's a virtual space. It makes it more believable that these are animals people coexist with, rather than dominate.

 

[justiceiro]

So, Peta was right?

 

[Spacejaws]

I don't know isn't it worse? Instead of battling being an inherent part of their nature and eco system now you take the peaceful mons, give them a perfect little pocket dimension to live in then the next time you send them out it's against a big filthy Onix and you are commanding it to fight.

 

[Piscus]

I came to terms with it a long time ago.

 

[Camjo-Z]

Did people forget that wild Pokemon are hostile or something? Imagine stepping out of your house and immediately encountering a horde of squirrels and birds that can breathe fire out of their mouths and shoot electric bolts out of their cheeks, and they all want a piece of you.

 

[Crissaegrim]

You still use them for fighting, so it really doesn't matter. Weakening them was such a big part of it, it's weird it's not there with the Let's Go games. It was okay too because typically you would bring them to Nurse Joy right after. She fixes everything.

 

[Tathanen]

How about this. The "combat realm" is one generated when you engage a Pokeball in any capacity, and you're actually having a totally metal battle that's being visualized as a physical one. All these lightning bolts, earthquakes, giant waves, things that would be absolutely destroying the world and making it impossible for anyone to live in it? All just a figment projected by the amazing pocket-dimension of the Pokeball.

I wonder how people would react to an explanation like that in a new game actually.

 

[Zen]

So, Peta was right?

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Peta would be one of the Teams trying to kill all Pokemon because they've been infected by human presence

I don't know isn't it worse? Instead of battling being an inherent part of their nature and eco system now you take the peaceful mons, give them a perfect little pocket dimension to live in then the next time you send them out it's against a big filthy Onix and you are commanding it to fight.

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Pokemon have always been depicted as peaceful by the shows and later games. I don't think the games will ever reconcile that, maybe in future games we can have personality types that aren't suited to combat but are better for field work or helping the trainer in other ways.

 

[LinkStrikesBack]

Instead of giving them a quick end OP, you're now kidnapping them and forcing the vast majority of them in to an endless solitary confinement for the rest of their lifespan.


Good job.

 

[Gala]

Are you high, OP?

 

[Zen]

Are you high, OP?

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This is the result of Pokemon lore being so well established. The shows depict Pokemon in roles other than combat all the time.

 

[Bufbaf]

This is the result of Pokemon lore being so well established. The shows depict Pokemon in roles other than combat all the time.

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I mean you didn't answer the question :>

 

[ffvorax]

Did people forget that wild Pokemon are hostile or something? Imagine stepping out of your house and immediately encountering a horde of squirrels and birds that can breathe fire out of their mouths and shoot electric bolts out of their cheeks, and they all want a piece of you.

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Thats how I always saw it... I mean, humans like needs pk to protect themselves by other pk... if not, they would actually die...?
That said, it's not a world depicted that cruel, but that it is the base of it... it's a dangerous world. And for how cute pk are, these are dangerous beasts too!

 

[Aktlys]

Remember how those spearow almost murdered Ash and pikachu?
Wild pokemans cruel creatures

 

[Manu]

Wait until OP hears about Monster Hunter.

 

[Nuclear Muffin]

Someone didn't play Pokemon Black/White...

 

[Wiped]

But it's not real and they are not animals

 

[OrangeNova]

Honestly, I don't understand this stance on video games. They're not real animals, do you have problems killing boars in WoW? or wolves in Final Fantasy?

It's a different, made up world. The important thing should be less "Hey, this is an analogue to the real world, nothing should be hurt ever!" and "hey, it's important to understand the difference between fiction and reality."

 

[AzureFlame]

... come on.

 

[LinkStrikesBack]

Remember how those spearow almost murdered Ash and pikachu?
Wild pokemans cruel creatures

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Yep. Gotta remember that these wild Pokémon are dangerous. They're the ones who actively attack trainers too.

Mimkyu is capable of inducing death in people who look at it under the rag. Driffloon actively try to float off in to the sky with children.

Almost any random Pokémon is capable of inflicting deadly poison on another Pokémon or person.

And they're supposed to be left to roam free?

 

[RochHoch]

Gameplay >>>> "Immersion" or whatever

Weakening Pokemon to capture them is fun and sometimes requires the player to think. It's so much better than a shitty waggle minigame that it's not even funny.

 

[GamingRobioto]

It's a game... I really hope this post isn't serious.

 

[NookSports]

Gameplay >>>> "Immersion" or whatever

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Weakening Pokemon to capture them is fun and sometimes requires the player to think. It's so much better than a shitty waggle minigame that it's not even funny.

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I disagree. I actually like this mechanic a lot more than the fighting. I wish the 'waggle' was a bit more accurate, or at least that they gave more of a tutorial on how to be accurate... but other than that, i think it breaks up the game flow much better and make the game feel less grindy. It's part of why I've loved Let's Go, tbh

 

[Deleted member 283]

Peta would be one of the Teams trying to kill all Pokemon because they've been infected by human presence

Pokemon have always been depicted as peaceful by the shows and later games. I don't think the games will ever reconcile that, maybe in future games we can have personality types that aren't suited to combat but are better for field work or helping the trainer in other ways.

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Always? That's a powerful word there. Because I seen to remember like the first episode of said show having stuff like a group of Spearow continuing to attack Ash/Pikachu even after Pikachu was barely able to continue battling. And I didn't watch the movie remake of that that came out s bit ago, but that was like the same deal there too right? And then you have stuff like the Beedrill in Viridian Forest.

And then jumping a bit later, weren't Pokémon like Ursaring almost always depicted as vicious and dangerous when it showed up in Pokémon Johto?

So like I'm not sure where this idea that the show depicts Pokémon as inherently peaceful is coming from. It seems to very much depend on the species, and even then, sometimes on the individual Pokémon themselves how they're depicted. There are no consistent rules.

 

[falcondoc]

Is this a serious thread? We really concerned about the ethical treatment of Pokemon? Lol

 

[Deleted member 33533]

N would gladly take you in to Team Plasma, OP.

 

[ItIsOkBro]

don't all the games say you can't leave town without a pokemon because these wild fuckers will eat and kill you

 

[808s & Villainy]

Pokemon isn't suppose to be humane. You're engaging in large scale dogfighting. Why not take out battles entirely then? Why not remove their attacks and just make them glorified pets while we're at it? This is completely absurd.

 

[Nax]

If these are the conversations that Lets GO has created, please, lets put that back in Pandora's Box and never speak of it again.

 

[Zen]

The tone of the games and shows is never as dark and gruesome as the flavor text hints at though. And the games already treat the mons as glorified pets in spite of their supposed danger, fighting aside.

I mean you didn't answer the question :>

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I'm high on rare candy

 

[Mister X]

I think you're forgetting that this is a game OP, you know some lines of code.

This isn't real.

 

[Deleted member 5764]

The next step is Pokemon x Undertale. Every Pokemon has a unique set of requirements where you can choose to FIGHT or TALK. Everyone who chooses "FIGHT" will have the new region's Pokemon professor talk down to them for being such a horrible person.

The final credits for those who choose FIGHT above all else will be one of those ASPCA commercials. You'll listen to "In the arms of an angel" whilst watching a slideshow of all the battered Pokemon you fought. You monster.

 

[The Silver]

Wild pokemon are so dangerous that the people of Pallet Town are completely trapped in their extremely small town unless with no utilities like a mart unless they get a trainer escort.

The professor in Ruby/sapphire tried to leave and almost got mauled to death by a Poochyena cause he dropped his bag.

 

[Phellps]

As an avid Pokémon player and a strong advocate for the betterment of the lives of animals and plants alike, I was never really bothered by anything in Pokémon because the games makes it clear they enjoy all of it.
So it's whatever.

 

[ggdeku]

It's time for SMT conversations.

 

[Slam Tilt]

...it's a game in a fantasy world. The whole premise falls apart the moment you apply any logic to it. Like, how can society even survive in a world where kids leave home and wander the world as soon as they turn ten years old?

 

[Zen]

...it's a game in a fantasy world. The whole premise falls apart the moment you apply any logic to it. Like, how can society even survive in a world where kids leave home and wander the world as soon as they turn ten years old?

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I guess I'm more appreciating that in Let's Go kids are introduced to Pokemon as wild animals first than vicious monsters, since by and large Pokemon are treated as animals and not monsters. The world conforming to reality isn't part of the premise.

 

[Deleted member 4037]

Ban this filth Reggee, game should be AO

 

[Zellia]

If you think wild encounters are bad you should see the horrific incestuous breeding programs to get competitive Pokemon. Cheating in Pokemon might actually be a kindness. Poor Ditto is forced into sexual servitude for the benefit of eugenics.

#FreeTheDitto

 

[Brazil]

This type of discussion can be had in the game's OT. Thanks.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/po...-one-step-forward-six-generations-back.81111/