The core of pokemon is adventure, catching, battling. A lot can change around those core concepts. For example pokemon let's go did change some aspects of the catching mechanics. Still pokemon.
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Pokemon feels like the game series with the single most wasted potential of all time
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The core of pokemon is adventure, catching, battling. A lot can change around those core concepts. For example pokemon let's go did change some aspects of the catching mechanics. Still pokemon.
it IS a huge waste of potential.. every day I'm haunted by a prototype I'd like to make displaying what pokemon could be...
but it's just so much work ... for no reason
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Performance on sword and shield doesn't look too good. I dont understand what's wrong with game freak.
I alwyas wondered how when 3D was off... and only 2 pokemon on screen .... framerate TANKED how?
This really makes me want to try the romhack Pokemon Crystal Clear (start wherever you want, face the gyms in any order) but I can't deal with no physical/special split and the terrible gen 2 movesets =/
I think that's their biggest flaw. That mindset of wanting to make every new game unique, instead of a continuation of what was already done and achieved till the previous title.
I think this mentality is what is preventing the games to have this feeling of evolution throughout the generations, because they're not continuing what they start on every game. All sorts of things, features, mechanics instead of improving, getting more detailed and enhanced, they just get cut and replaced by a whole new thingy. And this is in every aspect of the game, from the overworld, the mini games, online features, items, now the gyms, customization, etc.
That, along with wanting to release a new game every year, is what gives us situations like the unfinished Sun and Moon, followed by the true game US/UM that even modified the things, like story-wise, that people liked in the first installments.
Of course people will always complain no matter what, but I think Pokémon is one of the few franchises where its fanbase would be totally happy if it was more predictable and squared. What I mean is, things like not having a Pokémon Gray, or Pokémon Z, or not giving mega evolutions to all the starters, or not following the pattern of releasing a new mythical every year, or I don't know, adding new Pokémon mid-generation, those are things that prove Game Freak / Pokémon always want to keep "original", "surprising", "different" but at least I find that obnoxious. On paper that sounds nice, to have an unpredictable franchise full of surprises with every generation, but I think that works for every other game, but not Pokémon.
It works for Zelda or things like that to have a huge reinvention, or any other game that has just given us different kinds of experiences throughout the years. But Pokémon, the main series, are called "versions" so they should stick a bit more to the same formula, just enhanced, increased, up to the standards of the latest console / technologies.
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The 3D models are ridiculously intricate. Most of the time the framerate is fine, but if you have some of the more intricate models on the screen, especially ones with wings, then due to that it struggles
Other games didn't run into that issue though. Not sure it's a valid excuse, especially by the time Sun/Moon came around
You're right they didn't manage their resources properly enough... good point
They had 3d models that were too high poly for the 3ds since x/y because they wanted to future proof it. Sun/moon still being on 3ds doesnt fix this
well... mission accomplished then, I guess? i don't know if that's really a positive
It means they have all the models ready for idk, some time in the future, when Nintendo finally releases the NX we can have pokemon in HD :p
Explanation != defending.
They could have/should have scaled them down for the game.
However, once again, I feel I need to explain that someone giving the reason behind something isn't defending it, it's explaining it.
People just want to argue. No one is defending this. The 3ds games ran like shit due to this and it was never a good thing. Hell watching worlds was annoying at times due to the 4 pokes on screen tanking the system hard.
I don't need you to explain it to me. Game Freak gets called out on frame rate doesn't need you to come to explain why it is. They called out for fucking tanking frame rate because they should have figured it out.
And if it continues on Switch it'll get called out even more. It's not my job to get it working. It's their job to make it work.
And if it continues on Switch it'll get called out even more. It's not my job to get it working. It's their job to make it work.
Honestly, I just want better AI. Bring back hard mode, but don't even increase stats. Just make it so if I'm at a type disadvantage defensively, I should SWITCH. None of this randomly picking a move when 2/4 of them are trash. Or relegate that to wild pokemon only so catching them isn't a pain. I think I may have seen hints of some sort of smarter selection in the last two gens (maybe only in the end-game content?), but I could also be misremembering. But yes, a little more brain usage vs trainer fights would be awesome.
Give them all slightly focused builds. You don't need hyper specialized choice band stuff, but simple things like a focus energy double slap build or a tanky seismic thrower would go a long way in diversity as well as teaching people about synergy and how not all pokemon need to just be 4 attacks where 2 or more overlap types anyway.
Give them all slightly focused builds. You don't need hyper specialized choice band stuff, but simple things like a focus energy double slap build or a tanky seismic thrower would go a long way in diversity as well as teaching people about synergy and how not all pokemon need to just be 4 attacks where 2 or more overlap types anyway.
"they should have figured it out" Here is the secret, they figured out "Fuck it get it to run decent at best and we just wont have to redo 800+ models later and can focus on other stuff" Then all that time in sun moon that team didnt have to work on models? "oh lets start doing run/walk stuff for everything" What that group is doing now in sword/shield we dont know yet
I think there's a measure of wanting to keep it largely the same because it's technically a game for children--they don't want to continually innovate or overcomplicate things since their main audience is children who might not grasp it right away, whether that's valid or not.
I always like the series in theory, but never in execution. It'd be nice to get actual stories in some of the games (or at least more spinoffs with story), but my main issue is how sluggish everything is. Persona does turn-based really well, with responsive menus, quick animations, and the like; Pokemon, while being for a different audience, feels downright slow to me. :(
I always like the series in theory, but never in execution. It'd be nice to get actual stories in some of the games (or at least more spinoffs with story), but my main issue is how sluggish everything is. Persona does turn-based really well, with responsive menus, quick animations, and the like; Pokemon, while being for a different audience, feels downright slow to me. :(
Well good news then, they weren't explaining it to you. They were explaining it to someone else who phrased their post with "I always wondered why..."
I remember thinking this as well, and it would have been glorious, still would be.
But its Nintendo, back in 2004 im not even sure they heard of the 'internet' back then lol
I just want them to keep the features that they add instead of abandoning them every game. Pokémon following you, the PSS or whatever, custom poke ball effects, stuff like that. Every generation has at least one step backwards.
What they're actually doing with the game seems to be more ambitious than usual. The recent developments are disappointing, but less about wasted potential and more about wasted assets.
It's definitely wasted potential when you consider they are building an app that connects with all current and soon-to-be-released games and allows you to import all your pokémon to it.
And that's it. Many of them will be stuck there, unable to be transfered to the new games.
So much of the wasted potential sentiment comes from the games sticking to formula and not having a more open world. Home is a misleading shitshow, but the game in general looks like they're finally trying to expand the scope.
Monolith outsources significantly to where the credits are far more than 200 iirc. The base employee count doesn't paint a clear picture of how many people were involved.
I think this is where the issue lies.
It should be considered that a lot of the work for Pokémon games is handled by Creatures, who provide the models (and probably idle animations, judging by the similarities between Go and Let's Go).
But yeah, Game Freak is now producing a new Pokémon game every 1 year. This is an incredible feat for a company of their size, but it's not like they don't have the budget to scale things up significantly. But I don't know if they'd want to run things that way, for better or for worse.
Demand for a large output with the stubbornness/will to run GF like a smaller studio.
Bit of a stalemate.
They are expanding some areas by severely reducing others. IMO, the trade off is nowhere near as positive as you put it.
Sword and Shield so far generally seem like the cost of ambition has finally gotten to expedite some of Pokémon's longstanding worries. The series is damned by its adherence to content bloat so hard that you're either not going to be able to innovate in ways people want from the series ("I want Pokémon of the Wild") without sacrificing a whole bunch of shit to actually get to that point. The fan favorite these days tends to be B2W2, which was a game that personally began to really wear me out on Pokémon and how very more-of-the-same everything started to get, and yet, even I can't tell whether upending things for the sake of progress is a worthy trade off considering Pokémon is probably the one series where you could argue quantity is more important than quality - even if one could argue SwSh may not even end up meeting the latter in spite of itself, and that the one thing just about everyone would expect for a Pokémon game would be to actually move your old ones over, especially after all the promises made about preserving your old friends from the Gen 1 days. Home almost feels cynical now than it does encouraging.
Let's Go really soured me on the discourse of this series, to the point that nowadays I just take this series in its stride. It's never going to be what everyone wants it to be, or probably even what I want it to be, because whatever aspect of the series matters the most is so incredibly different depending on who you ask, which is kind of ironic given that the series got so big in part of its simplicity.
Let's Go really soured me on the discourse of this series, to the point that nowadays I just take this series in its stride. It's never going to be what everyone wants it to be, or probably even what I want it to be, because whatever aspect of the series matters the most is so incredibly different depending on who you ask, which is kind of ironic given that the series got so big in part of its simplicity.