Yep. I think people need to boycott them and demand better IP treatmentVery very true. I love Pokemon too but I can't take mediocre gameplay and presentation for so long. When other series try new things or tackle and challenge mechanics in the the monster RPGs genre, and seeing Pokemon get squandered makes you realize Pokemon only the top dog by name alone at this point.
No they're not and I rightfully complain about elements I didn't like from Sun & Moon, Let's Go and Quest.People like me outlined what is wrong with the series already in this thread. Just because people are willing to swallow the same antiquated shit every year doesnt mean that GF is beyond reproach
It is AAA. The games definitely have huge marketing budgetsIt's the biggest entertainment media IP of all time by a large margin, and the 2nd biggest gaming IP.
You'd think it'd have at least one AAA game by now.
It's kinda weird.
I agree. Give the game to Monolith studio and they'll give it the proper open world game the series needs.
Then they would take years to make.I wasn't really referring to it becoming open world honestly. There's enough of those out there.
There is, however, a gigantic field between what Pokemon is right now and an open world game, and a ton inbetween.
Something I'd realistically expect is Xenoblade Chronicles 2 level stuff. I doubt that game even got an especially notable budget given XCX barely sold a million if that, and yet it single-handedly completely overshadows the scope of any Pokemon game by a huge margin, just by having open fields and large towns.
Pokémon games recently have had a story.
Barren landscapes and funneling you from one place to the next? I'd love to know.how you know all this from a 5 minute video lol. And why is DQ brought up? That game literally has the same turn based combat it's had for forever lol. Pokemon has changed plenty of mechanics over the years. Shit let's go was so polarizing because of how they changed the catch mechanic and got rid of random battles. But yea I see you're point on how it hasn't changed at all. They clearly can't win with anyone because when let's go was shown people were clamoring for random battles to return and now that it is people are bitching. Clearly you guys just need to move onto a different franchiseS&S looks exactly the same as every PK game with better graphics and now even backpedalled features (are we really going back to barren landscapes with random encounters again?). You still walk a predetermined path doing the exact same thing in an environment that offers no verticality that just funnels you into the next battle or PK station/Gym
Animation-wise, I meant there is no PK contact. Just swing --> transition into the other PK being hit. Even DQ changed that part.
The elements you didnt like are minor. We are talking about the fundamental mistreatment of the IP. Enough with the same old crap every year. At least bring some innovation into the mold with an ambitious AAA undertaking. GF just seems to be a lazy, talentless studio.No they're not and I rightfully complain about elements I didn't like from Sun & Moon, Let's Go and Quest.
However, you were twisting what I said and your arguments here have been flawed
Seize the means of production folks.Yep. I think people need to boycott them and demand better IP treatment
The elements I don't like about Let's Go are a significant part of the gameplay loop but sure, let's go with that.The elements you didnt like are minor. We are talking about the fundamental mistreatment of the IP. Enough with the same old crap every year. At least bring some innovation into the mold with an ambitious AAA undertaking. GG just seems to be a lazy, talentless studio.
People like me outlined what is wrong with the series already in this thread. Just because people are willing to swallow the same antiquated shit every year doesnt mean that GF is beyond reproach
Not good ones or presented well but they are stories.
Having a normal one.The elements you didnt like are minor. We are talking about the fundamental mistreatment of the IP. Enough with the same old crap every year. At least bring some innovation into the mold with an ambitious AAA undertaking. GF just seems to be a lazy, talentless studio.
Would have been perfect on the Wii U Gamepad too. Just saying.I still think that Nintendo missed a trick that during the MMO heyday of World of Warcraft that they didn't develop a Pokemon MMO. The entire premise of it lends itself perfectly to that kind of game. A single pokémon trainer wandering around big worlds catching pokémon alongside fellow trainers. You could battle people in the same way you could duel in WoW. Legendary or other rare/exotic pokemon could be hidden away in dungeons/raids with entire pokémon teams battling to defeat and get a chance to capture them not dissimilar to what Pokémon Go does now. You could have big cities where trading happens and trainers congregate much like the capital cities in WoW.
I legitimately think it would have sold a bajillion copies and have made Nintendo vast sums of money.
Ah yes, the avatar quote in an discussion thread. How tasteful.enjoying a series of games is swallowing antiquated shit? for someone who says they're not attacking anyone you firstly tell someone they "have the mind of a pre teen" and now branding fans of these games as idiots. You seem like a nice person...
Define a good story?
That's perfectly fine, people change so are their tastes, adults are hardly the main target of these games so I think that's fairly normalTo me its not even about "open-world" Pokémon, i do not particularily care about that.
But i haven't played a Pokémon game since Diamond back when i was a kid, all the ones after didn't grab my attention.
I got pretty hyped when last month's Direct was announced, then i watched the Sword&Shield reveal and i was "Yep that's Pokémon alright", instead of "WOW THAT'S POKEMON? I WANNA PLAY IT" which to me is pretty telling.
Black and White are extremely well regarded for their stories and many of the complaints around Sun and Moon were that there was too much story.
Altering and enhancing the basics as rigorously as BoTW has done is precisely what I wish Pokémon would do. Pokémon Red/Blue seemed to really push the feeling of adventure and exploration as far as they possibly could at the time on the Game Boy. While each new game obviously introduced new mechanics, it just doesn't feel like these aspects of the franchise have evolved even half as much as the hardware allows.Breath of the Wild wasn't a reinvention per se. It was going back to basics of the original and altering/enhancing on that.
Both Sun & Moon and Let's Go did that in their own ways.
No, I do agree with you, Pokemon games and universe have a lot of room to make pretty much anything you want and I would love to see some of your ideas, all I'm saying is that the subject 'wasted potential' is incredibly dismissive and revisionist.
I do believe the series could use some shake up, mostly plot wise, with a new story line, focused maybe not on a trainer, having combats to not be the focus etc, but some folks here are asking for a complete rebuild of what right now works. It's a turn based game that anyone can play and you don't need a lot of skill to be competent but there's a lot to learn to master. I think that's great and I don't think needs fixing. My comment was mostly focused in that there was a game with some of the premises you mentioned and it didn't perform like people wanted, nothing in bad faith, sorry if it seemed that way.
Claiming everyone who wants the series to stay as is biased and "gobble it up" is horseshit. I, and many other people, have a series of games I enjoy the way they are. It is not criminal to continue to enjoy them that way and them be made that way. Stop treating that like it's somehow a bad thing just because you're not interested in it.Honestly this thread is extremely biased and hardcore Pokemon fans who would happily gobble up the same game for the rest of their lives, including probably the most hardcore fan in the world, defending the games with arguments that any normal person would not buy in a million years.
I was referring to SM and USUM actually. Too many and occurring cutscene that reuse stock animations and tired actions over and over. "Oh look the pokemon wants to get out of the bag for 20th time, and she doesn't want that. Cant wait to see this again in about ten minutes."Black and White are extremely well regarded for their stories and many of the complaints around Sun and Moon were that there was too much story.
I think everyone that played Red or Blue had imagined what an open world RPG version of the game would be like since they were a kid. 20 years later and we're not even close still.
My argument is that they make games people enjoy and do so safely. As long as people enjoy them, why is that an issue?
This why I go out of my way to play other series in this genre. They're willing to change and challenge themselves in this genre.Because with that kind of attitude we wouldn't get amazing games. That is why it is an issue. With that kind of attitude games like God of War or Breath of the Wild wouldn't exist because those games would instead be the same old formula.
I would much rather have a Pokemon game that was as fresh and innovative as those examples in their respective series than play the same old "safe" game for the umpteenth time in a row.
Took the words out of my mouth.I agree. Give the game to Monolith studio and they'll give it the proper open world game the series needs.
Have you seen the sales of their games. Why should they want to change? Everyone keep buying it.Gamefreak single handedly holding back all the Pokemon games. It's as if they are a few gens behind everyone else.
GF would never allow that. They don't want to look bad/worse.I agree. Give the game to Monolith studio and they'll give it the proper open world game the series needs.
Everyone keeps buying Call of Duty too.Have you seen the sales of their games. Why should they want to change? Everyone keep buying it.
I've realised after reading this thread that a Monster Hunter Pokemon game would be pretty cool and something that I'd want. Of course, it would be a spin-off.
A MH-esque spinoff might actually be pretty neat, yeah. Not going to lie though, spin-offs aside, I'm intrigued about the idea of a main Pokémon game that would take certain particular cues from games like Monster Hunter as well. Like, imagine something like Pokémon Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee, with wild Pokémon visible on the overworld, right? But then imagine that instead of wild Pokémon just moving around on the overworld, certain ones could get into turf wars and stuff like in Monster Hunter, using their attacks to damage and inflict status effects and potentially even cause each other to faint/disappear just right there on the overworld, like seeing wild Pidgeotto actually attacking Caterpie and stuff, and then you can just walk up to the Caterpie and it turns into a normal turn-based battle and you can basically steal the kill so to speak.My dream game would be a Monster Hunter World like game in which you are a new prof. in an uncharted region and you are not a trainer so you have to use traps and lurk wild pokemon to take pictures of them to complete your adventure, like an evolution of Snap, but with a vertical designed world with no combat so you have to use your brain to outsmart the pokemon.
This is as spin-off, of course.
I sound like a broken record and I apologize for that. But I suggest checking out other monster RPG series. Yokai Watch is on the 3DS and 2 or 3 is good places to start. Monster Hunter Stories is also on the 3DS and on mobile as well. They offer cool changes to gameplay and have great presentation.I always feel like I'm out of the loop in these conversations because I don't think Pokémon needs a shakeup or drastic revamp or anything.
I always feel like I'm out of the loop in these conversations because I don't think Pokémon needs a shakeup or drastic revamp or anything.
Do not worry, there are millions like you.I always feel like I'm out of the loop in these conversations because I don't think Pokémon needs a shakeup or drastic revamp or anything.
You know the fanbase, myself included, are equally vocal about actual flaws of the franchise. We just don't want a genre shift because it's un-necessary and would alienate a large portion of the userbase.OP this franchise will be shielded from any type of criticism while the self loathing fan base defends each and every aspect of this utterly stale franchise.
I admire your effort though.
You can simply have Pokémon play the same way in the field as it always has (fighting the Pokémon, weakening them
to catch) but instead of just random encounters, they randomly spawn and you can see, avoid, choose which encounters to engage in.
It's a much better system.
OP this franchise will be shielded from any type of criticism while the self loathing fan base defends each and every aspect of this utterly stale franchise.
I admire your effort though.