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Pokemon Gen 8 Discussion Thread of Hopes, Speculation, Expectations, Dreams, Rumors, and More
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I think what they're referring to is that people from Treehouse work in Washington, and the event is happening in New York. I'm not sure who all is supposed to be there though.
Oh. Well it could still mean something but unless we get word of people from trade publications heading to NY it looks doubtful
Best to not get too excited, but it's a streaming world. You never know.
Over the course of a week? Maybe.
Flying people from Washington to New York for a week-long celebratory event is not the same thing was flying people across the globe for a singular reveal.
It might be an information blowout if you want to know Nate's favourite Pokémon, I suppose.
Both Magearna and Sun and Moon were revealed the same month from what I read. But I guess the initial Sun/Moon reveal wasn't really a full reveal, just the titles.
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Yeah don't expect the Nintendo NYC thing to be a big reveal.
Now, before that?
It is available in a main series Pokémon game released between the start of Generation 7 and the start of Generation 8.
Its internal asset ID number is between 800 and 900 (891 and 892 for Meltan and Melmetal). Since the inception of 3D models, each generation has shifted the asset ID numbers up to the next hundred. All Gen 6 Pokémon have asset numbers between 701 (Furfrou) and 772 (Hoopa), with a few gaps in between. Then, Gen 7 pushed it up and started at 801 (Mareanie) and runs to 892 (Melmetal). Previously it ran to 883 (Marshadow) and then 888 (Zeraora), again with some gaps in between. This was first discovered in Pokémon GO for Meltan/Melmetal when the sprite had 891 which caused people and certain YouTubers who lack knowledge, to assume it was Gen 8 and #891 in the National Pokédex. However, GO uses the same asset structure for the main games, as evidence by how they do forms, and when Let's Go was released it showed them as being 891 and 892, further confirming GO uses the same asset structure.
So yeah, all evidence points to them being Gen 7. No evidence points to them being Gen 8.
If you want, we can call it Gen 7.66 after Poipole, Naganadel, Stakataka, Blacephalon and Zeraora being Gen 7.33, if we want to be utterly pedantic :P
Now, before that?
Correct. Magearna was officially revealed February 15th. Pokémon Sun & Moon was revealed February 26th UTC (February 27th in Japan)
Higher than any other day
No. Meltan is a Generation 7 Pokémon.
It is available in a main series Pokémon game released between the start of Generation 7 and the start of Generation 8.
Its internal asset ID number is between 800 and 900 (891 and 892 for Meltan and Melmetal). Since the inception of 3D models, each generation has shifted the asset ID numbers up to the next hundred. All Gen 6 Pokémon have asset numbers between 701 (Furfrou) and 772 (Hoopa), with a few gaps in between. Then, Gen 7 pushed it up and started at 801 (Mareanie) and runs to 892 (Melmetal). Previously it ran to 883 (Marshadow) and then 888 (Zeraora), again with some gaps in between. This was first discovered in Pokémon GO for Meltan/Melmetal when the sprite had 891 which caused people and certain YouTubers who lack knowledge, to assume it was Gen 8 and #891 in the National Pokédex. However, GO uses the same asset structure for the main games, as evidence by how they do forms, and when Let's Go was released it showed them as being 891 and 892, further confirming GO uses the same asset structure.
So yeah, all evidence points to them being Gen 7. No evidence points to them being Gen 8.
If you want, we can call it Gen 7.66 after Poipole, Naganadel, Stakataka, Blacephalon and Zeraora being Gen 7.33, if we want to be utterly pedantic :P
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What concerns me about next gen (and future ones) is that "gimmick" system they've been using since XY.
XY added megas, which where super cool, but we didn't get new ones the following gen, where they introduced Z moves.
Both "gimmicks" seemed to be aimed at the more competitive/metagame side of the game, so more casual players didn't get to enjoy those features to their full potential. The problem is, if we are getting a new feature each gen, that gets kind of dropped the next one but can still be used online, we'll end up with a mess of a metagame, with megas, z moves, and new stuff. I think they should focus on megas and z moves, making new megas, but stop adding new systems while dropping those 2.
XY added megas, which where super cool, but we didn't get new ones the following gen, where they introduced Z moves.
Both "gimmicks" seemed to be aimed at the more competitive/metagame side of the game, so more casual players didn't get to enjoy those features to their full potential. The problem is, if we are getting a new feature each gen, that gets kind of dropped the next one but can still be used online, we'll end up with a mess of a metagame, with megas, z moves, and new stuff. I think they should focus on megas and z moves, making new megas, but stop adding new systems while dropping those 2.
They should, but we all know they won't. Game Freak has implied in interviews they like to do different things each gen.
I think the fact that I even have to entertain the idea that Meltan is a Gen 7 Pokémon to be an incredibly strong indictment of the entire idea of adding Pokémon mid-gen. I was already kind of irked at Game Freak for doing that in USUM, but trying to also do so in the genwunner game that deleted most of the Pokémon (notably including all the Gen 7 Pokémon) was a step too far.
Yeah, those mechanics will 100% stay half baked, which I knew would be the case when they were first detailed. They came off as incredibly shallow compared to the mechanical/battle changes of the past gens. They need to stop focusing on Pokemon/type specific mechanics and go back to things that affect all Pokemon. Those add the most depth
The index numbering is pretty strong evidence though.
If the index numbering with gen 8 mon included follows the described pattern it will be clear cut that Meltan is considered gen 7 internally.
It was closer to its current gen games(in terms of pokemon data and mechanics) than lets go to gen 7
Thanks for the detailed explanation. I think just gen 7.0 is fine haha
Alolan forms were introduced to bring more type variety to the Let's Go games so they could do a Gen 1 only mainline game, I very much doubt we are going to see any more.
I'd love to be pleasantly surprised by more regional forms being introduced but I think this is all we are getting.
They also give old Pokemon a chance to shine without upsetting the meta with overpowered megas. It's win win really.
I'm so mad I'll be in NYC this week, but not during the event....
FINALLY a pokémon based on the capybara!
Nobody knows
Here, pretend these are the leaked silhouettes to speculate and over. It helps keep the withdrawal shakes at bay
FINALLY a pokémon based on the capybara!
I'd really like to see more buffs to older pokemon. There's still a good chunk that need more moves and more useful abilities.
I wouldn't put it past them to make a variant of something that ends up being stupid good though.
All those Treehouse Q&As throughout the week might not mean anything, but it would make sense for them to announce the new gen on the 26th (which, also, would be the 27th in Japan), then have these Q&As be mostly about the new gen. It's most definitely not where they will reveal it, though.
The last Pokémon Direct in 2017 was announced a day before it was aired. Last year we didn't have a Direct but a live event in Japan. I wonder if they will go back to Directs or if we will get another live event.
Anyone else really love Colosseum and XD? I feel they are as good as the mainline games. So much fun. :D
Definitely underrated - especially XD, which fixed some of the problems that Colosseum had such as not having any wild Pokemon and not being able to reattempt to catch Shadow Pokemon that you missed. It also fleshed out and expanded Orre, showing how some of the cities/characters from the first game were doing a bit later, similar to Gold/Silver.
Yeah totally! I didn't like the art-style of the characters in XD, but then I finally played it and was really wowed by it. Such a great game. I also really am a sucker for Shadow Lugia. :p
I think they're some of the better spin-offs in the series. They put a fun twist on the Pokémon formula with the Shadow Pokémon and Snagging mechanics. It was cool how they focused on double battles instead of singles and Miror B had one of the best battle themes in the series in XD. I remember playing both games a lot just to get Ho-Oh and Lugia in the Gen 3 games.
Yeah they use the Stadium models. That saiiiiid~
Flareon looks great!
Yes. They should make the mainline games double battles only. Or at the very least make the majority of battles double battles. It would also greatly improve the co-op if they want to keep it from Let's Go.
The alleged date for the Direct is 26/2, we could get that annoucement on Monday. I can't wait, roll on next week.
On Monday we gonna reset the clock every hour!
Yet they somehow managed to include all of the Pokémon. Which is seemingly more than Game Freak can manage.
Had a lot of fun with those games as a kid. If Let's Go was more like Colosseum and XD, then I might have been less mad at its existence.
All of the trainers with shadow Pokémon did have a rematch location in Colosseum, but good luck finding all of them without a guide.
You say that as if Game Freak tried and failed adding all the Pokémon in, not that they chose this as a design choice.
What I'm saying is that removing Pokémon even being on the table for a "mainline" game should never have happened in the first place, and the fact that it did happen and they even went through with it reflects very poorly on Game Freak.
But it was a design choice not a choice of necessity as in "all they can manage".
It was a pisspoor design choice, but a design choice nonetheless
Regarding the Regional Variants thing - i had a couple ideas of regional variants that i think could work. (If am going under the assumption that the next reigon will be UK Based and will be Gen 1 Pokemon only)
Regional Variants Ideas:
UK Growlithe/UK Arcanine
Typing: Fire/Steel
Inspiration: The English Cocker Spaniel - . It's has a more royal look to it with its main inspiration of design inspired by the Royal Guards of Buckingham Palace - it has a similar looking headwear but wears armour around itself. It is often around the Pokemon Equivalent to the Buckingham Palace. It is also inspired by Lupo who is the Cocker Spaniel of Prince Willaims.It's shiny form is Black refrencing one of the most popular colours for the Cocker Spaniel.
UK Machop.Machoke,Machamp
Typing: Grass/Fighting
Inspiration: It is inspired by Scottish Caber Throwing complete with it's lower body almost having a kilt like design to it as well as a belt. It also has a more greenish colour scheme to it and as a Machamp carries around a giant log which it can use to throw as well as attack.
UK Lapras
Typing: Water/Dragon
Inspiration: Lapras's UK Variation is heavily inspired by the legend that inspired the Pokemon in the first place - The Loch Ness Monster as well as the Plantesour In this Form - Lapras is a tad bit sleeker and more serpent then its normal variant - taking inspiration from both the fossil and the legend. I picked Water/Dragon because i thought it would fit a more sleeker Lapras more.
UK Jigglypuff/Wigglytuff.
Type: Fire/Fairy
Inspiration: Hot Air Balloons - while the Hot Balloon was made in France, Hot Air Balloons are still extremely popular in the United Kingdom and as such it would make sense for a regional variant. Both Jigglypuff and Wigglytuff in this variation would be more balloon like as well as have a bottom half that would be inspired by area where people are while flying the Hot Air Balloon.
UK Pidgey/Pidgeotto/Pidgeot
Type: Steel/Flying
Inspiration: War Pigeons being used in the World Wars especially World War 1. World War 1 was a very significant time in UK History so i decided to go with a regional variant that incorporates parts of WW1 Soldier Outfits into its design - giving a more Militaristic Look and having a much higher attack stat then the regular Pidgeot.
UK Magnemite,Magneton,Magnezone (not sure about Magnezone since regional variants have been Gen 1 Pokemon)
Type: Steel/?? (Not sure what it's second typing could be - maybe Electric. Any ideas in terms of typing)
Inspiration: Steampunk, i love Mr Buddy's idea of a Steampunk Pokemon in the UK Region and while i definitely think there should be a not variant Pokemon that uses Steampunk in terms of it's design - i think Magnemite,Magneton and Magnezone would really work with the Steampunk designs - it would have an almost rustic/golden look them them and have a lot of gears moving around.
UK Dratini,Dragonair,Dragonite
Type: Poison/Dragon
Inspiration: Based on the Myth of the Saint Geogre Dragon. The Dragon was a Toxic Dragon that crawled out of the toxic bog and was destroying everything. While i do really like Mr Buddy's ideas of making it a Legendary i also think a Poison/Dragon Variation of the Dratini line would also work with this concept of a toxic dragon destroying everything.
Regional Variants Ideas:
UK Growlithe/UK Arcanine
Typing: Fire/Steel
Inspiration: The English Cocker Spaniel - . It's has a more royal look to it with its main inspiration of design inspired by the Royal Guards of Buckingham Palace - it has a similar looking headwear but wears armour around itself. It is often around the Pokemon Equivalent to the Buckingham Palace. It is also inspired by Lupo who is the Cocker Spaniel of Prince Willaims.It's shiny form is Black refrencing one of the most popular colours for the Cocker Spaniel.
UK Machop.Machoke,Machamp
Typing: Grass/Fighting
Inspiration: It is inspired by Scottish Caber Throwing complete with it's lower body almost having a kilt like design to it as well as a belt. It also has a more greenish colour scheme to it and as a Machamp carries around a giant log which it can use to throw as well as attack.
UK Lapras
Typing: Water/Dragon
Inspiration: Lapras's UK Variation is heavily inspired by the legend that inspired the Pokemon in the first place - The Loch Ness Monster as well as the Plantesour In this Form - Lapras is a tad bit sleeker and more serpent then its normal variant - taking inspiration from both the fossil and the legend. I picked Water/Dragon because i thought it would fit a more sleeker Lapras more.
UK Jigglypuff/Wigglytuff.
Type: Fire/Fairy
Inspiration: Hot Air Balloons - while the Hot Balloon was made in France, Hot Air Balloons are still extremely popular in the United Kingdom and as such it would make sense for a regional variant. Both Jigglypuff and Wigglytuff in this variation would be more balloon like as well as have a bottom half that would be inspired by area where people are while flying the Hot Air Balloon.
UK Pidgey/Pidgeotto/Pidgeot
Type: Steel/Flying
Inspiration: War Pigeons being used in the World Wars especially World War 1. World War 1 was a very significant time in UK History so i decided to go with a regional variant that incorporates parts of WW1 Soldier Outfits into its design - giving a more Militaristic Look and having a much higher attack stat then the regular Pidgeot.
UK Magnemite,Magneton,Magnezone (not sure about Magnezone since regional variants have been Gen 1 Pokemon)
Type: Steel/?? (Not sure what it's second typing could be - maybe Electric. Any ideas in terms of typing)
Inspiration: Steampunk, i love Mr Buddy's idea of a Steampunk Pokemon in the UK Region and while i definitely think there should be a not variant Pokemon that uses Steampunk in terms of it's design - i think Magnemite,Magneton and Magnezone would really work with the Steampunk designs - it would have an almost rustic/golden look them them and have a lot of gears moving around.
UK Dratini,Dragonair,Dragonite
Type: Poison/Dragon
Inspiration: Based on the Myth of the Saint Geogre Dragon. The Dragon was a Toxic Dragon that crawled out of the toxic bog and was destroying everything. While i do really like Mr Buddy's ideas of making it a Legendary i also think a Poison/Dragon Variation of the Dratini line would also work with this concept of a toxic dragon destroying everything.
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Capybara on the left, platypus/seahorse on the right, and some sort of bladed cupcake in the middle.I'm so mad I'll be in NYC this week, but not during the event....
FINALLY a pokémon based on the capybara!
Can you not choose Gen 1 for regional variants? They have had enough!
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