Wasn't it explained that that feature will be on Home from now on? Or did I dream that?
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Pokemon Sword and Shield discussion thread (spoiler-free) [see staff post]
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The conversation would've found any other topic to coplain about anyways. But the National Dex wasn't a simple thing.
It's obvious we were gonna get this kind of reactions (I'm not approving any rudeness towards developers / other fans) but I guess it's because the first time (not counting Let's Go, because we were still considering it an exception to the rule, not the new norm).
We'll have to get used to this change, or else, we don't have any other option, besides just moving away from Pokémon altogether, because they're not changing their minds. So it's up to anyone to keep self-tortouring themselves being angry about this issue which will be the norm from now till the end of times, or just change the way we perceive Pokémon games, and what we expect from them and learn to enjoy the reduced content we'll get every game.
I love Pokémon so much and even then it's just a video game, man. People really need to chill out I swear.
EDIT: Anyways I'm gonna move on from that because it's seven dang days and I'm very excited. If Rapidash does end up getting wings I'm naming it Tristar.
EDIT: Anyways I'm gonna move on from that because it's seven dang days and I'm very excited. If Rapidash does end up getting wings I'm naming it Tristar.
I think that was a joke thread.
But yeah, it's getting ridiculous.
I don't get it either. I understand that people are sad that their favorite Pokemon have been cut from the game, but I also understand why GF made these adjustments. It wasn't being lazy--they're trying to get more people involved in the competitive aspect of Pokemon and made cuts to balance things and to make competing more accessible IMO.
Also, in Gen 3, you could effectively only interact with Hoenn Pokemon like the entire game up until the very end, and it was impossible to get most Gen 1 Pokemon until FR/LG came out. 🤷♂️ And people are acting like this is unprecedented. Sigh. I understand that there are a number of young people in the Pokemon fanbase who might not know better, but it really is crazy to me that there are grown people in their 20s/30s harassing Game Freak over a game they haven't even played yet.
The GTS made that much easier. It really is more of a mental barrier, because once you start actively hunting every Pokémon on the Dex, the completion of it just comes naturally. At times the Pokémon I had requested, had already arrived just a few minutes later. I never liked to transfer ALL of my Pokémon from generation to generation, because there are special Pokémon that I just don't want to lose from a certain copy. So I'd normally get the rest from the GTS.
I'll really never understand why having "too many" Pokémon was a problem to anyone. People who don't bother to complete not even the regional dex, should just remain unbothered, and those that wanted to complete it, except for Mythicals, it was really easy to complete it (not a super quick task, but very doable).
See you lot in the other thread, I gave up on #TeamPure :'(
Nah, but the thread seems to have moved on in discussing the new Pokémon and no screenshots or the like are being posted. You wouldn't think I'd ever gave up, wouldn't you?
Thank you very much! I added my fc to the list.
FYI I'm adding y'all as soon as the game is out. I want my Wild Area populated.
That didn't sound right.
I feel bad for everyone work at GF right now, especially Masuda...
He was the director of many fans favorite (some was even considered as the best of the series), but the moment they can't keep up with the whole Nat Dex anymore, some fans start harassing/insulting him and act like he was the one that ruined the whole franchise...
The decision was made by all parties involved (Nintendo, GF, and Creatures), but GF takes all the blame somehow...
I can see why people have criticism toward the franchise, I have that too, it's all because Nintendo, GF, Creatures were too scared that they might break the franchise so they always take the baby-step instead of a big leap forward...
- I want the game to add more RPG elements to it, for example, how about copy BOTW and add "climbing" so the protagonist can go anywhere.
- Take some inspiration from Xeno2, Pokemon that appear in the overworld will look more alive, other Pokemon will be random encounter. GF have take 1 step toward with the mixing of both like I want, but the overworld Pokemon still not look alive that much.
But instead of actual constructive criticism, all the things some of them do is calling them lazy/incompetent, some are overreacting over everything, some are spreading misinformation, and some are just too toxic to mention.
He was the director of many fans favorite (some was even considered as the best of the series), but the moment they can't keep up with the whole Nat Dex anymore, some fans start harassing/insulting him and act like he was the one that ruined the whole franchise...
The decision was made by all parties involved (Nintendo, GF, and Creatures), but GF takes all the blame somehow...
I can see why people have criticism toward the franchise, I have that too, it's all because Nintendo, GF, Creatures were too scared that they might break the franchise so they always take the baby-step instead of a big leap forward...
- I want the game to add more RPG elements to it, for example, how about copy BOTW and add "climbing" so the protagonist can go anywhere.
- Take some inspiration from Xeno2, Pokemon that appear in the overworld will look more alive, other Pokemon will be random encounter. GF have take 1 step toward with the mixing of both like I want, but the overworld Pokemon still not look alive that much.
But instead of actual constructive criticism, all the things some of them do is calling them lazy/incompetent, some are overreacting over everything, some are spreading misinformation, and some are just too toxic to mention.
Yeah I would take the Wild Area any day over all 1000 pokemon. Its funny that the pokemon are the thing they complain about lol. When they have the skill to make a huge world maybe then they can add all those pokemon.
This past week felt really long and really short all at the same time.
At the moment, I've seen one unrevealed Galar form, heard what two others were but I haven't seen the designs look like or their typing, and then I've seen the starters and about two other unrevealed new Pokemon.
Sounds like there's a TON of new stuff for me to see when the game comes out, and I'm looking forward to it.
At the moment, I've seen one unrevealed Galar form, heard what two others were but I haven't seen the designs look like or their typing, and then I've seen the starters and about two other unrevealed new Pokemon.
Sounds like there's a TON of new stuff for me to see when the game comes out, and I'm looking forward to it.
Thanks for keeping the FriendDex updated! I need to go through and add the latest batches to my Switch tonight. So freaking ready
I decided to let go of Death Stranding, which is getting so much praise with my inner circle, to finally buy a Switch and Pokémon Sword. I really love this franchise and I've been there day one for every release (except Let's Go, but that's on GF, not me), even in japanese.
But gof forgive me if the mixed receptions to the leaks (I'm staying spoiler-free since someone told me the starters leaked) and the negative takes I've seen today on the games are not making my decision feel wrong to me. I got a huge backlog on Switch so it's not like I'm buying the console just for this, but if I miss out on an impactful game release like DS seems to be just to be betrayed by one of my most beloved franchise, I will legit cry.
But gof forgive me if the mixed receptions to the leaks (I'm staying spoiler-free since someone told me the starters leaked) and the negative takes I've seen today on the games are not making my decision feel wrong to me. I got a huge backlog on Switch so it's not like I'm buying the console just for this, but if I miss out on an impactful game release like DS seems to be just to be betrayed by one of my most beloved franchise, I will legit cry.
I would like GF to go further and make a Pokemon game that takes place in a completely alien world instead of a region that's a Poke-equivalent to real world locations. The Pokemon there all be Ultra Beasts.
Oh guess I should add myself. Would love more friends to do raids with and stuff.
It IS unprecedented, because in both Gen 3 or Gen 5, the missing Pokémon were still there. We probably didn't know FR/LG were coming, but some way, somehow, the missing Pokémon could be obtained, so it was ok. Also, Gen 3 was, well, just the third generation, we had only been able to carry on Pokémon from Gen 1 to 2. But here we're talking about 5 generations we've been able to carry on our Pokémon, and it's not even the fact we can't bring the old Pokémon, but that Pokémon are completely absent (unless datamining proves otherwise, which I doubt).
What I mean is that they could've said that for some magical reason, we can't transfer Pokémon from the 3DS to the Switch, but all the old Pokémon are still in the Switch games, and if they aren't catchable in SwSh, they will be in future games and will be able to be transferred in. People would be upset that they can't bring the Pokémon they've trained for years, but at least we would all be able to get a "new version" of every single Pokémon (like it happened in Generation 3) but that isn't the case.
Still I agree nothing justifies harrassing people or insulting them, any kind of violent act towards the developers or other fans that are ok with the change.
I just want to ask you one question, do you mind when they cut the Dex by half?
Because only half of all Pokemon you know is in the game, if you don't mind about that, go for the game.
If you do mind, then I think it's time for you to stop and come back when it stop bothering you about that.
I understand why the cut the Dex but I'm not going to defend half of the known Pokémon going MIA. However, I play every first release in a generation with an all-new Pokémon team, so many of the missing ones won't matter to me.
If only I didn't hate like 90% of the new Pokémon revealed for this gen lol
Can't work...
The idea is when they go from another world to this world, something makes them changed their appearance. If we make the game in another world, then they will have a normal appearance and not weird-looking like this.
Pokémon being the thing they complain about, in a POKÉMON GAME! Hilarious lol
The world doesn't need to be huge, because the 800 - 900+ Pokémon don't need to be catchable in the games. They just need to allow to transfer them from other versions. People that don't care about National Dex, shouldn't even know about the existence of those other Pokémon, it should be transparent, and should limit their experience to what the game offers in that region, but every Pokémon should be able to be transferred for those interested.
It's quite clear that will never be the case again in the future though, so it's time for people to move on.
From my understanding the reception was positive outside of the Pokedex stuff. I haven't looked at any of the stuff though.
I think there's many more advancements this series can reach as mechanically and gameplay wise.
Having all of the pokemon is not a big deal to me and its probably stemmed from when I was a kid not having money to get extra copies or even a link cable lol. I never could get all the pokemon and I always thought it was unfair when I ocassionally ran into someone with charmander and stuff on pokemon ruby/sapphire
I have a complete living dex Gens 1 - 6 and even I can't really muster that much disappointment over it because I know I'm gonna be using the new Pokemon and I only transfer the others for Pokedex credit. Since they moved the Dex to Bank, and now Home I guess then I'll transfer them there. There's some trained Pokemon I'm bummed I won't be able to use in competition this time around sure, but the fact that this element has completely consumed the conversation surrounding this game is insane to me considering that Home won't even be out until sometime next year.
Yeah same for me, couldn't even get into competitive play because of that, so having the chance now with SwSh to get into competitive play is really exciting for me.
I'm gonna go with a quite unpopular opinion around these circles, but while I do feel bad for gamefreak's employees, and designers such as James Turner, for the hugely disproportionate reaction to the whole Dexit stuff, as well as the toxic behavior of a part of the fanbase (which has been notorious), I can't really feel bad about people in management positions (such as Masuda and Ohmori) who handled the whole Dexit situation poorly from the beginning. Plus, I also think that the toxic behavior is in part a reaction to another incredibly toxic part of the fanbase who rush to defend the direction of Pokemon games no matter how poorly thought out some of the direction decisions are. When you see any criticism you have to a franchise being dissmissed as an exaggeration, it is easy to turn toxic yourself.
While I never expected a full pokedex at launch, smart franchise planning + the fact that it is 2019 and games can be updated, could easily solve the issue. For instance, it is likely that SwSh are not going to be the last pokemon games to ever be launched. For instance, suppose the long rumored D/P remakes are in the pipeline, and they are based on Platinum's pokedex which has 210 Pokemon. So those are 210 pokemon that are going to have to be made anyway, which could have been excluded from the initial batch of Pokemon in SwSh, and saved to be released at later dates as the development of the remakes progressed. At some point, they will have to future proof their models and animations, as the issue will only grow worse as new games are launched.
The whole backlash was due to a silly decision that people would be ok not being able to play with their favorite characters, when that is one of the central points of the franchise. So, whoever decided that or has the power to change this, by thinking of suitable alternatives but choose not do so, are to blame. It is a shame that the reaction reached such a toxic point, and that common employees have to suffer because of bad management decisions and reactions.
While I never expected a full pokedex at launch, smart franchise planning + the fact that it is 2019 and games can be updated, could easily solve the issue. For instance, it is likely that SwSh are not going to be the last pokemon games to ever be launched. For instance, suppose the long rumored D/P remakes are in the pipeline, and they are based on Platinum's pokedex which has 210 Pokemon. So those are 210 pokemon that are going to have to be made anyway, which could have been excluded from the initial batch of Pokemon in SwSh, and saved to be released at later dates as the development of the remakes progressed. At some point, they will have to future proof their models and animations, as the issue will only grow worse as new games are launched.
The whole backlash was due to a silly decision that people would be ok not being able to play with their favorite characters, when that is one of the central points of the franchise. So, whoever decided that or has the power to change this, by thinking of suitable alternatives but choose not do so, are to blame. It is a shame that the reaction reached such a toxic point, and that common employees have to suffer because of bad management decisions and reactions.
I've looked through some of them, and it has been mostly receptive (except for the starters), but it's kind of a love it or hate it situation, kinda like gen 5. The designs are VERY out there.
Yes. Ideally this should allow them to improve in other areas.
Personally, other than improving the battles both in terms of mechanics, but mostly in the aesthetical aspect (better size proportion, more personalized animations, better idle poses, etc) I really don't expect other stuff. Many people give so much importance to the overworld, and want an open world and whatnot, or the wild area to be bigger, but, why do they even want that, if they don't even want to catch too many Pokémon? If they just want the open world to find people to fight against, it would be so much easier to just battle them at a facility like the battle tower or so.
I don't know what to say it, it's like people want the Pokémon games to be all about exploring, and the map, and the dungeons, and whatnot, and while that spices up the adventure, I keep seeing battles as the main point of the Pokémon games. All the maps and NPC's and stuff is just to have a reason for all those battles (against trainers or against wild Pokémon). Like, I'm not against things that add fun or entertainment to the experience, but I don't see it as something that the main Pokémon games NEED, in the sense that they're lacking it right now, in order to be complete or something
If the developers could give us both a huge and enriched experience in the overworld, with dungeons and puzzles, and many different actions that the trainer could do to explore the areas, AND on top of that give us the ultimate battle experience, that would be more than welcomed. But if they're clearly struggling to improve everything and have to make a choice about what should they be focusing on, I'll always pick the battles / the Pokémon (which are the ones that battle).
Less than a week to go, folks! I'm rushing through my third Three Houses playthrough to finish it in time, can't believe it's almost here.
I mean there was stuff like someone pretending to be an old GF employee and accusing Masuda of rape. The way some are treating the higher ups has definitely gone too far for something like a Pokedex.
They've been doing this for all the previous games, so I don't see why SwSh would be any different.
They can just update the game with the new Pokémon and deliver it through Mystery Gift. It isn't hard if you do it for just a few of them.
All because I mentioned that criticism and harassment aren't the same thing and, considering the absolute shitshow going around, sent a message to Masuda to make sure he knows not everyone is like that
Should I feel bad for all the film crew when a movie disappoints me? Should I feel bad for the audio engineer when I don't like a new album?
Give me a break. Don't create content if you can't handle the criticism.
The only empathy I feel is because whoever the higher ups are at GameFreak that botched the handling of this PR. And obviously those calling for death threats and other juvenile behavior can suck it but I'm not gonna temper my words if I think the game looks bad
Give me a break. Don't create content if you can't handle the criticism.
The only empathy I feel is because whoever the higher ups are at GameFreak that botched the handling of this PR. And obviously those calling for death threats and other juvenile behavior can suck it but I'm not gonna temper my words if I think the game looks bad
If they do it, I'm really not looking forward to the potential toxicity it brings out. "Why does fanfavorite1 get a mystery gift! Where's fanfavorite2! Fuck Game Freak!" etc
No, but you should feel bad for the film crew when they get endlessly harassed and attacked because a movie that's not out yet is disappointing people
Huge difference between harassing and criticizing. I've been very critical of some choices in the series and in Sword and Shield in particular, but I'd never go harass Masuda or anyone involved in the project because of it. That's just not right.
At this point, pretty much anything they do will bring toxicity, so who cares? I'm sure if they suddenly decided to bring the whole National Dex back there would be backlash too because "they should have done it from the beginning" or something like that.
Exactly, and when I said harassing was crossing a line, people just responded "So we're not allowed to criticise?"
The whole situation is so frustrating. Like I don't want the dex cut but SWSH look fun and I'm probably going to enjoy the hell out of them
Is this the lowest the Pokemon fandom has ever gone? It certainly feels like it.
Anyway, just 1 more week of avoiding spoilers to go.
Anyway, just 1 more week of avoiding spoilers to go.