Police bodycam footage of thug resisting arrest goes viral

Deleted member 4212 · May 22, 2020

sensui-tomo said:
Here's a hot take that might get me banned and I think I should say this.
Where the heck are the people who are outraged here never in threads of PoC threads when this happens to them but the moment it happens to a white person its finally a time where something is bad. You show up for threads like this but never comment in other threads.

This is exactly like the thread where a black man slapped a white woman for calling him a N word. People were more mad at the black man than the white woman.

Do you really think those of us who are anti-police violence aren't outraged by violence against PoC? Of course we are.

The solution isn't to treat poor white people with violence or to turn a blind eye to it just because she was 'privileged'. Police violence needs to end, period. Of course PoC are more vulnerable to it than whites and are disproportionally affected.

The thing is, I don't see anyone in this forum celebrating violence against PoC the way they are celebrating violence against the woman in this video. People need to wake up and re-think how they view police activity broadly.

Renna Hazel · May 22, 2020

sensui-tomo said:
Here's a hot take that might get me banned and I think I should say this.
Where the heck are the people who are outraged here never in threads of PoC threads when this happens to them but the moment it happens to a white person its finally a time where something is bad. You show up for threads like this but never comment in other threads.

This is exactly like the thread where a black man slapped a white woman for calling him a N word. People were more mad at the black man than the white woman.

I'm probably the most quoted person here that is "outraged" so I take it you can back it up that I avoid threads where cops harass/arrest/assault/murder people of color but only show up when it happens to white people (which is almost never does). Everything is on record on this site, my post history shows I've been way more outraged at this happening to people like me than white people. So where is your evidence to back up such a claim?

John Dunbar · May 22, 2020

Kohinoor said:
I wonder if you two would feel as disturbed if it was a POC, even an old woman POC.

i wonder if you would feel like this was appropriate policing if this had been an old woman poc.

cops don't have to kill someone for it to still be terrible policing.

Kain-Nosgoth · May 22, 2020

sensui-tomo said:
Here's a hot take that might get me banned and I think I should say this.
Where the heck are the people who are outraged here never in threads of PoC threads when this happens to them but the moment it happens to a white person its finally a time where something is bad. You show up for threads like this but never comment in other threads.

This is exactly like the thread where a black man slapped a white woman for calling him a N word. People were more mad at the black man than the white woman.

if you're that concerned, you can check my post history and you'll see i'm in plenty of those... i understand your frustration, considering how minorities are treated by the police in the US... but that's not a reason for wanting the same to happen to everyone, no, police should just act decently toward anyone, that's all

i'll continue criticizing police escalation, regardless of who they target

Renna Hazel · May 22, 2020

Aquavelvaman said:
Do you really think those of us who are anti-police violence aren't outraged by violence against PoC? Of course we are.

The solution isn't to treat poor white people with violence or to turn a blind eye to it just because she was 'privileged'. Police violence needs to end, period. Of course PoC are more vulnerable to it than whites and are disproportionally affected.

The thing is, I don't see anyone in this forum celebrating violence against PoC the way they are celebrating violence against the woman in this video. People need to wake up and re-think how they view police activity broadly.

This so much. And it seems to be my disconnect from a lot of the people here. I don't think we should get of white privilege by treating white people worse, I think we should get rid of it by treating everyone else normally so that it's no longer a privilege to not be assaulted and murdered by the police. I'd not celebrate a video like this regardless of who it happens to, and I'd be even more angry if it happened to a minority because I know that's pretty much business as usual for the cops.

Tap In · May 22, 2020

This woman felt she could determine the outcome of whatever law she broke.

She turned this into exactly what it was. Hell, when she rolled up her window she very easily could have been pointing a gun at him as it is hard to see through the glass. So yea... Take the fukin ticket lady like a normal part of society. Laws aren't just for PoC to follow. The whole incident to me reeked of flashing her white badge and shock in finding it didn't make her problem go away.

And to me tasing, while it can be dangerous, is far less risky to someone being harmed more seriously than any other method. We live in a world of rules and laws. Her blatant disregard brought on the consequences. Just the fact that she fled was enough right there to call in two other officers and take her physically out of the vehicle but evidently he did not have back up and as mentioned had no idea if she may have been armed (yea America)

Simple solution for Martha here would have been to just take her medicine for what she did and sign receipt of the ticket and take it up with the judge.

Deleted member 11413 · May 22, 2020

NinjaScooter said:
On the one hand it's somewhat satisfying to see privileged white person on the receiving end of some unnecessary police escalation, but it's still unnecessary police escalation.

Yeah pretty much, looking at some of the responses here you get the feeling that people's issue with police brutality is that the police don't brutalize white people enough, not that police using unnecessary force is bad in and of itself.

Like yeah this lady was being a fucking dumbass, but being a dumbass shouldn't be cause for the police to use unnecessary force on a person. Even the people arguing the cop was justified are not arguing that he needed to taze her to subdue her, they are saying she deserved it for being an asshole. Sorry but I'm not a fan of that justification of police violence.

Camwi · May 22, 2020

sensui-tomo said:
Here's a hot take that might get me banned and I think I should say this.
Why the heck are the people who are outraged here never in threads of PoC threads when this happens to them but the moment it happens to a white person its finally a time where something is bad. You show up for threads like this but never comment in other threads.

This is exactly like the thread where a black man slapped a white woman for calling him a N word. People were more mad at the black man than the white woman.

How many post histories did you go through before you came up with that hot take?

asmith906 · May 22, 2020

Renna Hazel said:
This so much. And it seems to be my disconnect from a lot of the people here. I don't think we should get of white privilege by treating white people worse, I think we should get rid of it by treating everyone else normally so that it's no longer a privilege to not be assaulted and murdered by the police. I'd not celebrate a video like this regardless of who it happens to, and I'd be even more angry if it happened to a minority because I know that's pretty much business as usual for the cops.

I'm all for holding police accountable but she literally fled the scene and kicked a police officer. I'm not exactly sure what else he could have done that wouldn't have been worse physically for her.

Deleted member 11413 · May 22, 2020

Camwi said:
How many post histories did you go through before you came up with that hot take?

0

Einchy · May 22, 2020

asmith906 said:
I'm all for holding police accountable but she literally fled the scene and kicked a police officer. I'm not exactly sure what else he could have done that wouldn't have been worse physically for her.

Obligatory "fuck cops".

Anyway, I agree with you.

When you refuse a ticket, speed off and then start kicking a cop and the only thing you get is tased so you stop kicking an officer then, I mean, what part of this situation am I supposed to feel bad for this lady?

ReplacementPelican · May 22, 2020

American police are fucking awful, none of you should be celebrating this. Woman's a cunt and I'd bet my life savings that a POC in this situation would have ended up far, far worse but you should be holding the police to account for throwing people about like that and tasering them, their job is supposed to include de-escalation and management of these situations. Expect and demand better.

Renna Hazel · May 22, 2020

asmith906 said:
I'm all for holding police accountable but she literally fled the scene and kicked a police officer. I'm not exactly sure what else he could have done that wouldn't have been worse physically for her.

She shouldn't have fled, but this is over a ticket. People drive away after getting tickets all the time. She wasn't a threat so I don't think she had to be chased.

More importantly, when she finally agreed to sign the ticket, the officer should have just let her do that, and they could both be on their way. I'm not of the opinion that people should be arrested nearly as often as they are in the US.

It's fine if you think the response was appropriate. What concerns me is people celebrating this. Then of course there is this small segment of people in this thread, who I'm guessing are white, claiming people are racist if they're not happy about this. Probably much easier to say that when you yourself don't have to worry about police brutality (and I don't mean you asmith)

SgtCobra · May 22, 2020

The cop had enough patience with Ethel, can't say she wasn't warned 🤷🏻‍♂️

Tuorom · May 22, 2020

Lol

She had every opportunity to be reasonable and instead she chose to escalate the situation. She should have just signed the paper. She should have just got out of the car. She should have not kicked the officer. She should have done a lot of things.

I have no sympathy for an entitled dumbass.

Einchy · May 22, 2020

Renna Hazel said:
Then of course there is this small segment of people in this thread, who I'm guessing are white, claiming people are racist if they're not happy about this. Probably much easier to say that when you yourself don't have to worry about police brutality (and I don't mean you asmith)

"People I disagree with are probably white so I can ignore them" is such a tired take.

Renna Hazel · May 22, 2020

Einchy said:
"People I disagree with are probably white so I can ignore them" is such a tired take.

"People are racist for not celebrating police brutality against a white person" is a worse take.

But this isn't about disagreeing, people are straight up accusing people of being racist for simply saying this video is disturbing. If you're going to make claims that I don't think the same about situations that involve people of color, then back up your claim. When you make an accusation against someone you should have some type of proof or evidence to back it up, if it's just a blanket statement with no basis, then I'll feel free to dismiss them for whatever reason I please.

bombermouse · May 22, 2020

I feel bad for everyone involved in that video, but also fuck that white privilege thinking she can get away with it.

When she fled and kicked the police, there's no good outcome. Either she gets away and perpetuates privilege or she gets shot/tasered and that is a terrible outcome for a ticket.

Einchy · May 22, 2020

Renna Hazel said:
"People are racist for not celebrating police brutality against a white person" is a worse take.

I'm glad you agree that assuming everyone you disagree with is white so you can dismiss their posts is a bad take.

sensui-tomo · May 22, 2020

Note , I'm not claiming people are racists.
I am saying its a tad suspect that this thread hit 4 pages in about 2 hours while the thread about Ahmaud Arbery took more than half a day to get 4 pages is telling.

Renna Hazel · May 22, 2020

Einchy said:
I'm glad you agree that assuming everyone you disagree with is white so you can dismiss their posts is a bad take.

I didn't agree with anything. You're not as good with comprehension as you are with trolling.

foxuzamaki · May 22, 2020

This feels good

Lothars · May 22, 2020

Lord of Ostia said:
Yeah pretty much, looking at some of the responses here you get the feeling that people's issue with police brutality is that the police don't brutalize white people enough, not that police using unnecessary force is bad in and of itself.

Like yeah this lady was being a fucking dumbass, but being a dumbass shouldn't be cause for the police to use unnecessary force on a person. Even the people arguing the cop was justified are not arguing that he needed to taze her to subdue her, they are saying she deserved it for being an asshole. Sorry but I'm not a fan of that justification of police violence.

She attacked him, She deserved what she got plus she drove away. Anyone would be arrested for doing that.

Renna Hazel said:
"People are racist for not celebrating police brutality against a white person" is a worse take.

But this isn't about disagreeing, people are straight up accusing people of being racist for simply saying this video is disturbing. If you're going to make claims that I don't think the same about situations that involve people of color, then back up your claim. When you make an accusation against someone you should have some type of proof or evidence to back it up, if it's just a blanket statement with no basis, then I'll feel free to dismiss them for whatever reason I please.

people against her getting arrested are wrong. She got what she deserved that's the truth of the matter.

Apathy · May 22, 2020

It's more amazing how many fucking chances she gets and how chummy it started. Any minority is looking at this and is in amazement.

Doggg · May 22, 2020

"You are under arrest."

"No, I'm not."

lol

Einchy · May 22, 2020

Renna Hazel said:
I didn't agree with anything. You're not as good with comprehension as you are with trolling.

You said it was a worse take which implies your take is bad but just not as bad.

Renna Hazel · May 22, 2020

sensui-tomo said:
Note , I'm not claiming people are racists.
I am saying its a tad suspect that this thread hit 4 pages in about 2 hours while the thread about Ahmaud Arbery took more than half a day to get 4 pages is telling.

You're not saying it, just heavily implying it. I've posted in many threads where this happens to people of color and I usually don't get quoted at all. I think everyone here agrees that it's horrible when police abuse people of color, so there is no debate to be had. No one is accused of being a racist and if anyone celebrated that they would be rightfully banned. I did the same thing here and was quoted about 10 times, so I replied to people, that makes the thread a lot more active.

ReplacementPelican · May 22, 2020

Renna Hazel said:
I didn't agree with anything. You're not as good with comprehension as you are with trolling.

Einchy said:
You said it was a worse take which implies your take is bad but just not as bad.

Jesus fuck, you two. Do I ignore white people or not? I've been waiting for a resolution on this because I need to call my mom and apologize if Im not supposed to just ignore white people.

Professor Beef · May 22, 2020

You don't get to escalate a situation and then go "ok ok i'll take the original punishment" when you get a harsher punishment for doing so.

Tuorom · May 22, 2020

Doggg said:
"You are under arrest."

"No, I'm not."

lol

"uno reverse card"

"Oh shit I'm under arrest?"

Renna Hazel · May 22, 2020

ReplacementPelican said:
Jesus fuck, you two. Do I ignore white people or not? I've been waiting for a resolution on this because I need to call my mom and apologize if Im not supposed to just ignore white people.

Ignore people that make baseless accusations. When it comes to issues of race, there is one particular group in the US that believes they are an authority on the matter, yet seem to be entirely clueless. Feel free to ignore them in that instance.

MrH · May 22, 2020

Amazing. She had every chance to just pay the damn ticket but for some reason felt like she had all the power, well that was until she got tased and squealed like a piglet.

F34R · May 22, 2020

Nothus said:
The cop did everything he could to avoid that situation. But yeah driving off and then punching/kicking a cop? Your ass is getting tasered.

No he didn't. He didn't want to spend any more time on that, and it showed immediately after she didn't agree with him.

MrH said:
Amazing. She had every chance to just pay the damn ticket but for some reason felt like she had all the power, well that was until she got tased and squealed like a piglet.

She wasn't even paying the ticket. She has to sign to acknowledge that she was instructed on what to do from now until the date for court.

Deleted member 6582 · May 22, 2020

sensui-tomo said:
Note , I'm not claiming people are racists.
I am saying its a tad suspect that this thread hit 4 pages in about 2 hours while the thread about Ahmaud Arbery took more than half a day to get 4 pages is telling.

That feeling is what we call confirmation bias. It's not that you are wrong per-se, but you emotionally want yourself to be right but likely didn't take into account things like day posted, time of day posted or click-baitness of title either.

Renna Hazel · May 22, 2020

Lothars said:
She attacked him, She deserved what she got plus she drove away. Anyone would be arrested for doing that.
people against her getting arrested are wrong. She got what she deserved that's the truth of the matter.

I'll disagree with you on that. But hey, I'm not a fan of cops being able to attack people. It's fine if you're cool with what happened though.

John Dunbar · May 22, 2020

Professor Beef said:
You don't get to escalate a situation and then go "ok ok i'll take the original punishment" when you get a harsher punishment for doing so.

i think we have identified one problem here: you think it's the job of a police officer to deal out punishment.

Deleted member 11413 · May 22, 2020

Lothars said:
She attacked him, She deserved what she got plus she drove away. Anyone would be arrested for doing that.
people against her getting arrested are wrong. She got what she deserved that's the truth of the matter.

Yeah did I say anything about her being arrested in my post? No, I said tazing her was unnecessary because he didn't need to do that to subdue her.

If you are just going to willfully ignore what my post says then don't bother responding to it.

Professor Beef · May 22, 2020

John Dunbar said:
i think we have identified one problem here: you think it's the job of a police officer to deal out punishment.

i appreciate your attempt at a "got ya" post

Lothars · May 22, 2020

Renna Hazel said:
I'll disagree with you on that. But hey, I'm not a fan of cops being able to attack people. It's fine if you're cool with what happened though.

so you are okay with her just leaving? Not any consequences for her actions? She attacked the cop and drove away just because she didn't want a ticket.

Lord of Ostia said:
Yeah did I say anything about her being arrested in my post? No, I said tazing her was unnecessary because he didn't need to do that to subdue her.

If you are just going to willfully ignore what my post says then don't bother responding to it.

she attacked him, she deserved to be Tasered. I'm not a fan of how cops handle alot of situations but this one she deserved what she got because of her actions

Renna Hazel · May 22, 2020

MrH said:
Amazing. She had every chance to just pay the damn ticket but for some reason felt like she had all the power, well that was until she got tased and squealed like a piglet.

She really didn't. I don't feel like I watched the same video as some of you. She very calmly explained why she didn't want to sign it and he immediately said "you're under arrest". When she offered to sign it the officer said no.

Cops shouldn't be overlords, you're allowed to talk to and make your case to a police officer. She definitely should not have fled, but prior to that, the cop could have easily handled that with no issues.

Cousin From Boston · May 22, 2020

Oklahoma is turning into the new Florida.

Psrock1 · May 22, 2020

I KILL PXLS said:
Literally my only issue with what went down in this video is that he pulls a gun before pulling the tazer. Nothing about that situation called for that.

She droves off. The last video I saw of a person driving off got shot while he was filming.

Baji Boxer · May 22, 2020

sensui-tomo said:
Note , I'm not claiming people are racists.
I am saying its a tad suspect that this thread hit 4 pages in about 2 hours while the thread about Ahmaud Arbery took more than half a day to get 4 pages is telling.

People arguing is going to lead to a much bigger post count in a short period of time. It's not a reflection of how much people care what happened.

Kinthey · May 22, 2020

Professor Beef said:
i appreciate your attempt at a "got ya" post

He's not wrong though

Mona · May 22, 2020

Camwi said:
How many post histories did you go through before you came up with that hot take?

they have to look through every post of mine or no dice

onadesertedisland · May 22, 2020

This thread disappoints me. For so many reasons.

Deleted member 15311 · May 22, 2020

It reminded me of this ahahahah

Deleted member 11413 · May 22, 2020

sensui-tomo said:
Note , I'm not claiming people are racists.
I am saying its a tad suspect that this thread hit 4 pages in about 2 hours while the thread about Ahmaud Arbery took more than half a day to get 4 pages is telling.

I'm almost positive that the majority of people commenting that this is excessive force also have posts in one of the various Ahmaud Arbery threads, mainly because I recognize most of these posters because they post in nearly every thread about police brutality because they care about police brutality.

Renna Hazel · May 22, 2020

Lothars said:
so you are okay with her just leaving? Not any consequences for her actions? She attacked the cop and drove away just because she didn't want a ticket.

No I'm not, but as I've been saying this entire thread, she calmly explained to the officer why she didn't think she deserved the ticket, he immediately placed her under arrest. I do not agree with the officers action here.

She then tells him she will sign it, and the officer determines it's too late, this is not an act of deescalation. This is an officer abusing their power. I do not agree with the officer here.

She did not attack the cop, she simply drove away at this point. I do not agree with her actions here.

The officer catches up and grabs her, they're both getting physical at this point. In this situation the officer had to subdue her, yes. I don't think it should have ever reached this point.

Lothars · May 22, 2020

Kinthey said:
He's not wrong though

yeah he is

Renna Hazel said:
She really didn't. I don't feel like I watched the same video as some of you. She very calmly explained why she didn't want to sign it and he immediately said "you're under arrest". When she offered to sign it the officer said no.

Cops shouldn't be overlords, you're allowed to talk to and make your case to a police officer. She definitely should not have fled, but prior to that, the cop could have easily handled that with no issues.

she just pretended that she didn't deserve anything than when she was threatened with arrest she fled and attacked him. That's escalation on her side more than anything.

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