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thepenguin55

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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/12/trump-evangelicals-blasphemy-profanity-1456178

A Trump-supporting West Virginia state senator who represents many evangelicals got three phone calls from constituents complaining about Trump's profanity after a recent rally.
The residents of Hardesty's district — he's a Trump-supporting West Virginia state senator — were calling to complain that Trump was "using the Lord's name in vain," as Hardesty recounted.

"The third phone call is when I actually went and watched his speech because each of them sounded distraught," said Hardesty, who describes himself as a conservative Democrat.

Here's what he would have seen. Trump crowing, "they'll be hit so goddamn hard," while bragging about bombing Islamic State militants. And Trump recounting his warning to a wealthy businessman: "If you don't support me, you're going to be so goddamn poor."

To most of America, the comments went unnoticed. Instead, the nation was gripped after the rally by the moment when a "send her back" chant broke out as Trump went after Somali-born Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar, an American citizen. But some Trump supporters were more fixated on the casual use of the word "goddamn" — an off-limits term for many Christians — not to mention the numerous other profanities laced throughout the rest of the speech.

The issue has recently hit a nerve among those who have become some of the president's most reliable supporters: white evangelicals — who comprise much of Hardesty's district. The group was key to Trump's 2016 win, helping bolster his standing in critical swing states, and Trump likely needs to maintain that support if he wants to win a second term. But some are growing fatigued with the irreverent language that often seeps into Trump's rallies and official events.

"I've had people come to me and say, 'You know I voted for [Trump], but if he doesn't tone down the rhetoric, I might just stay home this time,'" Hardesty said in an interview, adding that he has yet to hear back from anyone inside the White House after urging the president in a formal letter to "reflect on your comments and never utter those words again."

Coarse language is, of course, far from the president's only behavior that might turn off the religious right. He's been divorced twice, faced constant allegations of extramarital affairs, previously supported abortion rights and has stumbled when trying to discuss the specifics of religion, once saying "two Corinthians" instead of "Second Corinthians." Yet to this point, Trump has maintained broad support from evangelicals, including the unwavering backing of prominent conservative Christian leaders.
Trump's penchant for profanity dates back decades — from guest appearances on "The Howard Stern Show" in the 1990s to a 2011 speech to Nevada Republicans where he dropped multiple F-bombs and cast Chinese officials as a bunch of "motherfuckers." His unseemly language became a stump speech staple when he ran for president in 2016 and has continued into his presidency, both in public and behind closed doors.

For evangelicals, however, Trump's indelicate language has frustrated religious fans who have otherwise been true blue supporters of his agenda. They agree with his social policies, praise his appointment of conservative judges and extol his commitment to Israel — often tolerating Trump's character flaws for the continued advancement of all three. But when it comes to "using the Lord's name in vain," as Hardesty put it, "the president's evangelical base might be far less forgiving."

Two pro-Trump pastors, both of whom requested anonymity out of fear of retaliation, admitted in interviews that they've winced and cringed their way through some of the president's more provocative speeches, or the ones that contained multiple expletives. One of the pastors said he was "appalled" by the president's remarks at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference in March, in which he accused his political rivals of trying to run him out of office with "bullshit" investigations and oversight actions
"I think this president needs to be president to all of the people and realize that kids look up to him and adults look up to him," said Hardesty. "Carrying that type of language from behind the presidential seal is offensive."
Several of the president's most steadfast evangelical allies pushed back against concerns that Trump's swearing could jeopardize this powerful voting bloc. At the very least, they said, it's not an issue for them. Alveda King, a Fox News contributor and the niece of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., said she's inclined to extend grace to the president when he swears or makes inappropriate comments.

"I remember God's love and mercy towards me," she said.

Part of the reason Trump has previously escaped criticism for cursing is because his supporters were more drawn to the perceived authenticity of his blunt statements than they were offended by the vulgarity, Melissa Mohr, the author of a book on swearing, wrote for Time in June 2016.

"When we hear people swear, we often assume that their words spring from a deep well of real feeling," Mohr said at the time.
But some curse words could have adverse effects for Trump, particularly with his evangelical audience.

"Carelessly invoking the Lord's name in a fit of anger is one thing," said one of the pro-Trump pastors, quickly adding that he would not encourage such behavior. "But," he continued, "repeatedly doing it for shock value … that does raise questions about the president's respect for people of faith."

The fact that anyone could believe that Trump is a religious man who speaks from the heart is absolutely crazy to me. It's sad and darkly hilarious to me that the thing these people are upset with is the curse words and not the content of what he's saying. Also, the fact that Alveda King is a Fox News contributor was such an unpleasant thing for me to learn.
 
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Evangelicals are making themselves to be even more of a joke when of all the things Trump has said, it's the cursing they take issue with.
 

Lumination

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These people are such clowns where a naughty word is more important than the welfare of millions.
 

Rand a. Thor

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If Trump loses 2020 because the Bible Belt decided that the Democrats were the more church sanctioned choice I will laugh my ass off. Trump turning the Bible Thumpers blue is peak irony and the only prolific outcome of this shitshow.
 

Ahhthe90s

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Imagine thinking Trump is religious lol

How dumb are these people? or are they just playing an act?
 

Fisty

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Wait until they see the 666 that he's been trying to cover up with bleached badger anus fur since the 80s
 

jelly

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No worries, they'll vote Pence.

Does he do much, he is like a ghost but probably doesn't want to be tarred and feathered.

They are such hypocrites , Trump isn't religious, he probably made his girlfriends get abortions, he is pure evil, racist, rapist etc.
 

ToddBonzalez

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Like, what about the time he cheated on his pregnant wife with a pornstar.
 

Kifimbo

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Of course they won't Democrats, but if a few of them don't vote at all, it might make a difference in some places. IIRC, evangelicals usually move massively.
 

Thequietone

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Upset about goddamn but not his words and actions of hate that cause actual harm to people. You know stuff Jesus would actually care about.
 

Joni

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Does he do much, he is like a ghost but probably doesn't want to be tarred and feathered.

They are such hypocrites , Trump isn't religious, he probably made his girlfriends get abortions, he is pure evil, racist, rapist etc.
He exists to ensure evangelicals can vote for a racist sexist that doesn't use the lord's name in vain.
 

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Riiiight.... Such hypocrisy with this....

Trump cheats on his wife with pornstar: Nothing
Trump uses "goddamn": Oh no!!! Trump used the Lord's name in vain, how could he?!?!
 
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Volimar

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That's not even what the phrase is supposed to mean. When people say things like "God damn you" they're not literally calling on God to damn you to eternal hell, it's just an expression. The admonition against taking the Lord's name in vain was originally telling people not to invoke God falsely. So more like "God told me we should invade Iraq," or "God is on our side" for things that God never gave a position about like abortion or gun control. A literal "God damn you" like from Planet of the Apes that calls on God to act for you would also qualify.
 

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So... play these excerpts over and over again? And then feign shock at the stream of bad words when conversing with these morally steadfast people?
 

Omegasquash

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Upset about goddamn but not his words and actions of hate that cause actual harm to people. You know stuff Jesus would actually care about.

If you're talking about white, gun toting, patriarchy Jesus then he's been checking all the boxes.

Unfortunately for lots of voters, that's the Jesus they were raised to worship.
 

Blader

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This part really got me:

"We all wish he would be a little more careful with his language, but it's not anything that's a dealbreaker and it's not something we're going to get morally indignant about," said Liberty University President Jerry Falwell Jr., one of Trump's earliest religious supporters.

Being morally indignant is all you do!
 

cameron

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"We all wish he would be a little more careful with his language, but it's not anything that's a dealbreaker and it's not something we're going to get morally indignant about," said Liberty University President Jerry Falwell Jr., one of Trump's earliest religious supporters.
Eat shit, Jerry.


Didn't we have a thread similar to this recently?
I think that thread was about a West Virginia conservative dem state senator.
 

Nali

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That they're only just now taking offense to this, and that they're only taking offense to this specifically out of all his actions and behavior is as searing an indictment of Evangelicalism as anything I could come up with.
 
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residents of Hardesty's district — he's a Trump-supporting West Virginia state senator... Hardesty, who describes himself as a conservative Democrat.

This guy, the idiots trying to out Republican McConnell in Kentucky.

Why would anyone vote for Republican-lite when the real thing is right there?
 

Meatfist

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Trump: The human embodiment of all 7 deadly sins
Evangelicals: I sleep
Trump: Goddamn
Evangelicals: Real shit?
 

Daphne

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This is what bothers them, not the fact he's the living embodiment of every sin described in Christianity.

And yes, they will all still vote for him. If he could just stop saying goddamn while he's killing kids though.
 

Coyote Starrk

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Racist policies? Who cares?

Hiring terrible people to key positions? No biggie.

Embarrassing the country? You mean #MAGA!

Sexual Assault? They were asking for it!

Locking children in cages? Meh.


Takes the Lord name in vain? WHOA WHOA WHOA HOLD ON NOW...
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Oh sure he's a racist cheating sexual harasser who brags about being about to get away with murder and embodies all 7 deadly sins, but saying a naughty word is where we draw the line.
These people have no morals and they should stop pretending that they do.
 

thewienke

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Evangelicals are making themselves to be even more of a joke when of all the things Trump has said, it's the cursing they take issue with.

The mental gymnastics are absolutely embarrassing.

They've had problems in these areas for years such as defending the wealthy, advocating against welfare for the poor, ignoring the obesity epidemic (do we really need 12 different desserts for 9 people at a Bible Study?), and typically being hawkish in foreign affairs. Evangelicals often pick and choose their laws and sins when it's convenient because it's not about the Bible so much as it is maintaining mainstream Puritan culture which includes an extra emphasis on sexuality in all forms.

But all of it goes out the window the moment they have to choose between voting for a woman (who to my knowledge is somewhat religious and has been the victim of adultery which should make them more sympathetic) or an unspeakably crass and evil man who may try to make abortion illegal. Satan himself could run for office on a platform of outlawing abortion and rounding up "the gays" and they'd overwhelmingly vote for him.

Obviously I have a lot of deep rooted frustrations but it drives me absolutely insane.
 

Leynos

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It's very simple: Evangelicals, and their like will vote for whoever opposes abortion. Any other policy they may espouse, no matter how monstrous, is forgiven.