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Politico: Mueller Releases Itemized List (Manafort Trial)
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Remember when I and lots of other people said that MANY Bernie or Busters would flock over to Trump? And the Bernie-Bros here laughed and jeered?
Now who's laughing?
Now who's laughing?
Not me, this is disgusting. Shame on Old Man Sanders.
How long before we find out Russia had tried to compromise every candidate in the 2016 elections?
To me, it also raises suspicion about Trump's lamentations over Bernie's supposed treatment. I mean, normally what the hell would any Republican care about the Democratic primary? He also courted the Bernie voters. It could just be a case of Trump being Trump, capitalizing on divides. But I'm remembering back to the time when supposedly there was a data breach where the Sanders campaign was able to access voter information from the Clinton campaign....hrmmm
I don't want to relitigate all of this again but two points; you can completely campaign on the idea of campaign reform and taking big money out if politics without making your opponent and likely nominee the poster child for corruption. I doubt that 2016 was your first Presidential campaign regardless of how young you are but take a look back at previous primaries to see how you run against other candidates without poisoning them in the general. The last time something like what happened in 2016 happened to the Democrats was Carter vs Kennedy and Ted killed any slim chance Carter had at reelection.
The 2nd point is that it doesn't matter how many Sanders voters voted for Trump, what matters is how many stayed home because "both sides were the same". Based on turnout that was the deciding factor in the election.
The point is that it seems to be a fairly normal percentage of defections. Clinton lost ~12% of Sanders voters to Trump, but also gained 12% of voters who voted in the Republican primary. (source) I don't really see much evidence to suggest that Sanders' campaign tactics meaningfully affected Hillary in the general, aside from the fact that it was a very close election and any tiny variable could have had a decisive impact. I think it was really, really low on the list.
Even factoring in non-voters and third-parties, 75% of Sanders voters voted for Hillary in the general. In 2008, Obama only got 70% of the Clinton vote (25% McCain, 5% didn't vote or 3rd party).
The biggest determining factor to a defection was not really any major policy position, anyway (the difference in approval of TPP mattered, but not very much). It was racism.
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I'm starting to think that Hillary would have been super president with the lengths our enemies went to to keep her out of office.
I knew Bernie was being propped up, but I thought it was just Andrew McCarthy pulling the strings.
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Man, if Bernie is wrapped up in this, I'm am fucking DONE.
GAME OVER, MAN. GAME OVER.
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Man, if Bernie is wrapped up in this, I'm am fucking DONE.
GAME OVER, MAN. GAME OVER.
What are the chances that Bernie even knew about Tad's involvement since he was hush-hush about it?
lol you cant be serious. Exported and sent straight to Russia of course.
I cant believe this guy hasnt been reported to Mueller. Firing isnt enough.
lol exactly. this forum will go down in flames. Civil War 2.0.
Manafort also worked with Tony Podesta, John Podesta's brother, if you want a Hillary connection too. I think we should cool off a little with this "Bernie's campaign was probably compromised" thing unless there's other evidence.
At this point there's no reason to believe that Tad Devine is currently under investigation by Muller or has done anything wrong, just that he's being called on to provide evidence. So let's stay on topic and not veer off into relitigating the 2016 Democratic primaries.
how unbelievable all these findings are, i wonder how many years it took russia to cook up the plan.
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Agree wholeheartedly but Bernie's supporters can't hear this. I tried myself explaining to people back then that whenever he does drop out of the primary he's already done a lot of damage to Hillary.
I think we should assume that Russia tried to do this. Why wouldn't they?
There is a difference between "compromise" and "Tad Devine and Manafort were on e-mails together" tho
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Hasn't it been demonstrated many times that a higher degree of Bernie supporters voted for Hillary in 2016 than Hillary supporters voted for Obama in 2008?
IIRC someone actually dived into those numbers and the claim didn't really hold in another thread.
I second this gif.
Makes strategic sense to have someone in your pocket to join every campaign to try to divert attention and sabotage.
It looks more like sowing chaos in my opinion. If you support infighting you can conquer and rule. I doubt Putin would want for the democrats to completely go left because that would go against everything he wants to achieve. Therefore only a bit infighting is needed. In that sense Hillary was the perfect candidate due to her weaknesses.
Unfortunately I didnt save it, if anyone remembers the post Id like to have it for reference as well.
I DONT WANNA.
That said, the reading comprehension in this thread is kind of astoundingly bad. I think everyone's completely missing your posts about how this means "he might be a witness". Hrm, the guy who used to work with Manafort might have something useful to contribute in investigating Manafort? THE HORROR.
Anything could have flipped the election. Like, a rainstorm, etc. I mean, there's also a non zero chance that someone besides Trump either loses dramatically to Clinton or outright obliterates her. See the link below on how insanely close the election was in those three states. To say that Bernie was the reason is very, uh, motivated reasoning.
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/2017/11/01/441926/voter-trends-in-2016/
The hell are you talking about? Political Science is pretty sure about Two-Party-Systems being significantly more in danger of being overtaken by extremists. The US is considered a flawed democracy, also an objective finding by political science, and the reasons why are structural and have very little to do with Russians posting memes on Facebook despite centrists being extremely eager to blame Russians.
Seriously, please explain what exactly is happening "in countries like Germany". AfD is 15%. Your president is Donald Trump.
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The overwhelming amount of Bernie voters voted Hillary, and most of the rest did not vote, or voted Jill Stein. Your post is an imflammatory lie.
Hillary getting elected was going to be bad news for Russia and Putin.
Eh, she would have been as problematic as Obama or Bill before her, just not the raging dumpster fire that we currently have now.
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Given that Bernie's campaign was run by Tad Devine, it seems like DNC made the right call supporting Hillary over Bernie.
Also just to put into perspective the 2016 US election with the 2017 French election who both got targetted by Putin's Russia.
Only 1 candidate in 2017 had any position that couldn't be readily deemed as pro Russian or didn't have connection to Russia.
Even smaller candidates like Asselineau were visibly propped up by that certain eastern foreign power.
It would be absolutely not surprising that Russia would try to support in 1 way or another every single candidate that wasn't Clinton.
Only 1 candidate in 2017 had any position that couldn't be readily deemed as pro Russian or didn't have connection to Russia.
Even smaller candidates like Asselineau were visibly propped up by that certain eastern foreign power.
It would be absolutely not surprising that Russia would try to support in 1 way or another every single candidate that wasn't Clinton.