Was Tad Devine running for president?
Holy shit. I don't think Sanders is a Russian puppet, but his campaign team being corrupted would explain at of it's choices. Especially post Super Tuesday
Holy shit. I don't think Sanders is a Russian puppet, but his campaign team being corrupted would explain at of it's choices. Especially post Super Tuesday
I don't want to relitigate all of this again but two points; you can completely campaign on the idea of campaign reform and taking big money out if politics without making your opponent and likely nominee the poster child for corruption. I doubt that 2016 was your first Presidential campaign regardless of how young you are but take a look back at previous primaries to see how you run against other candidates without poisoning them in the general. The last time something like what happened in 2016 happened to the Democrats was Carter vs Kennedy and Ted killed any slim chance Carter had at reelection.The entire crux of his campaign was taking money out of politics, and especially against Hillary, it would be an obvious line of attack. If he didn't try to bring up her corporate connections as a way of impugning her fitness to be the nominee, he might as well have never run at all.
Not to mention that only 12% of Sanders supporters ended up voting for Trump. In 2008, 25% of Clinton supporters ended up voting for McCain.
Was the DNC in the tank for Hillary?
Isn't 12% in WI and PA of Bernie voters enough to flip the election to Clinton ? Wasn't WI and PA one of the best performing Bernie states
The 2nd point is that it doesn't matter how many Sanders voters voted for Trump, what matters is how many stayed home because "both sides were the same". Based on turnout that was the deciding factor in the election.
How long before we find out Russia had tried to compromise every candidate in the 2016 elections?
you want to go war?
How long before we find out Russia had tried to compromise every candidate in the 2016 elections?
lol you cant be serious. Exported and sent straight to Russia of course.https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/29/bernie-sanders-campaign-dnc-data/
The statement said all of the search results were saved in a computer system except in one instance, when a Sanders staffer exported information using Clinton data for New Hampshire.
In statement released Friday, the Sanders campaign said that an investigation of their computers could not locate the exported file, and that no one in the Sanders campaign had ever seen it.
Agree wholeheartedly but Bernie's supporters can't hear this. I tried myself explaining to people back then that whenever he does drop out of the primary he's already done a lot of damage to Hillary.No it's not and I feel like I beat my head against a wall bloody trying to make fellow posters understand this early in 2016. You absolutely do not run a campaign against a candidate in your same party (or same side supposedly in this case) where your main point of emphasis is that the other candidate is corrupt and a corporate shill. That kind of rhetoric permanently damages the other candidate in the eyes of your supporters. Sanders was still giving speeches calling Hillary corrupt as late a July if I remember correctly before he then flipped and started campaign on her behalf as the only candidate who could stop Trump. But you can't undo the damage of telling people who trust you that your opponent is a criminal and that line of attack paid Trump and the suppression campaign huge dividends in the fall.
How long before we find out Russia had tried to compromise every candidate in the 2016 elections?
Hasn't it been demonstrated many times that a higher degree of Bernie supporters voted for Hillary in 2016 than Hillary supporters voted for Obama in 2008?There are countless people I know who didn't vote after Bernie lost the primary. Countless.
IIRC someone actually dived into those numbers and the claim didn't really hold in another thread.Hasn't it been demonstrated many times that a higher degree of Bernie supporters voted for Hillary in 2016 than Hillary supporters voted for Obama in 2008?
I second this gif.
It looks more like sowing chaos in my opinion. If you support infighting you can conquer and rule. I doubt Putin would want for the democrats to completely go left because that would go against everything he wants to achieve. Therefore only a bit infighting is needed. In that sense Hillary was the perfect candidate due to her weaknesses.Bernie Sanders has tad Devine and had the endorsement of xenophobe and racist Tulsi Gabbard. Glenn Greenwald who is as pro Putin as they come supported Bernie Sanders campaign and recently supported the progressive Cortez who upended a power pro Hillary democrat from power
It's all connected
Maybe these "progressive" democrats are not really progressive
IIRC someone actually dived into those numbers and the claim didn't really hold in another thread.
Unfortunately I didnt save it, if anyone remembers the post Id like to have it for reference as well.
This thread is not about the 2016 primary I will turn this forum around right now
Isn't 12% in WI and PA of Bernie voters enough to flip the election to Clinton ? Wasn't WI and PA one of the best performing Bernie states
Given what's been happening in Europe outside of the UK in countries like Germany I don't think it's just a weakness in two party systems.
Remember when I and lots of other people said that MANY Bernie or Busters would flock over to Trump? And the Bernie-Bros here laughed and jeered?
Now who's laughing?
Not me, this is disgusting. Shame on Old Man Sanders.
I'm starting to think that Hillary would have been super president with the lengths our enemies went to to keep her out of office.
Eh, she would have been as problematic as Obama or Bill before her, just not the raging dumpster fire that we currently have now.I'm starting to think that Hillary would have been super president with the lengths our enemies went to to keep her out of office.
Holy shit, how deep does this go?
How long has Putin been compromising American political operatives??