Now, it no longer matters because the damage is done.
Supporters from Camp A are furious at Supporters form Camp B and vice versa
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Politico: Sanders Camp Admits Anti-Warren Script Was Deployed in Multiple Early States
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Supporters from Camp A are furious at Supporters form Camp B and vice versa
I'm going to be really mad if the stupidity over the last few days results in Biden regaining his edge in the primaries. There was no reason for either campaign to act like this at this point of the race.
Inevitable when you hire noted Jill Stein supporters like Sirota and Nina Turner as top staff. They don't give a fuck if the Democratic Party loses in November.
it doesn't seem like an omission so much as too simplified for some people's liking
or he is discipling but not being loud about it cause he isn't about performative punishment?
is the joke that there are no biden supporters on the forum?
Obama isn't endorsing Bernie unless Bernie gets the nomination or like Tulsi somehow takes the lead and Biden is eroded away by a slight gust.
Sanders = Wario
Warren = Peach
Yang = Mario
Biden = Luigi
This is hilarious and also probably true
I argued it was nothing when we still thought it was just a staffer. Warren's base is predominantly white affluent and educated, you can't slander someone with the truth.
People particularly bozos on the internet take different tacks to arguing points and sometimes opt for the easier one. Who could have thought.
Fwiw, this is a little off topic, so I'm not gonna get too into it, but I think there's probably a more nuanced read on the dinner story too.
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Does not stop
The true move of a real political supergenius would be to announce Bernie or Warren as VP without asking them. Can't run against me if they're part of my campaign!
Galaxy brain.
they're essentially tied in hypothetical head-to-heads and the sanders base is a lot more solid and enthusiastic, going by other polls
i don't think the response from pro-bernie people was anything other than "well yeah that's all true" because it is. the warren people are the ones who hyper-overreacted to any attempt to differentiate between the candidates.
i mean, what are canvassers supposed to say? "yeah warren is great too, just as much as sanders. in fact you should just vote for her." or maybe "here's a detailed breakdown of aggregated demographic polling data, draw your own conclusions."
TIL that one of the essential rules of realpolitik 69-dimension chess is that any and all mention of factual data about your opponents' records, demographics of support, etc that reflect poorly on their campaign are direct acts of violence and are immediately disqualifying
Every political campaign has moments like this, but usually the controversy or walkback isn't about something so comically minor. Even calling this script "anti-Warren" is hyperbole.
Just like in 2016, it really feels like a big chunk of Dems are mad that anyone is actually campaigning for the spot instead of letting the person who's turn it is to go uncontested. At least this time there are a half dozen reasonable choices for who's turn it is.
I honestly don't think this constituency exists beyond "he's infinitely better than Trump and his Camaro is sweet "
Bernie absolutely needs to offload some of the anarchists and Dem-haters from his campaign though. Most of his missteps have been by proxy idiots like Nina.
I disagree.
The point would be to show he's making amends publicly for his staff's errors.
Gotta love it. The left tears itself apart, Biden walks away with the black vote and the nomination.
Anti Berners keep making the mistake of thinking his supporters are in a personality cult type affair when the truth is that most don't give a shit whether it's Bernie or Shmernie. They're here for the policies and the possibilities and the leftward swing and the urgently needed change. Bernie is merely a face for something much bigger and more important.
So keep fucking that chicken, because most of this movement supporters don't give a shit about it.
So keep fucking that chicken, because most of this movement supporters don't give a shit about it.
This shit is even dumber than Cenkgate. But I'm still looking forward to that juicy debate tonight!
Warren supporters are an awful lot like Trump cultists 🤔
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And how they manage to do this pissing off their own allies in the process.
You can't tell me Warren door knockers are instructed to say only good things about Bernie. That they're not even allowed to paint a picture of differences between the two.
That's strange considering people seem really personally charged when talking about a specific person and not really so much his policies.
I'm seeing a lot of personal effort defending the person Bernie Sanders... especially if the majority of folks don't even give a shit about him!
Well I guess we're at an impasse then
I get the point but again I don't think performative punishment is really his thing, especially considering how tame the script was even if they used it without his permission
and that's why "bernie bro" is fine to say
he was already climbing in Iowa and NH before this news broke and even if he loses them it's anybody's guess whether it will actually shake his huge lead
Yeah. I was a Bernie supporter until this, now i'm voting Bolsonaro. Changed my nationality and everything out of shame. And i wasn't even American to begin with.
You could see a whole slew of different things if you allowed yourself to. There's a whole world of possibilities beyond the status quo.
How was Bernie making a bad endorsement dumb?
Cenk is a genocide denying misogynist.
It doesn't matter what the actual script was. What matters is that Bernie put this out, and then said he didn't. It's a lie. It's a lie that's not really worth anything, that he didn't even need to make because the script was fine, which makes the fact that he lied even more stupid. He made it sound like something that he wanted to hide, which in turn made something that wasn't an attack actually an attack.
This is also after a thread where everyone swore up and down that Bernie is trustworthy, that he wouldn't try to smear or discredit Warren using dirty tactics, and then he got caught red handed doing exactly that.
A lie is still a lie regardless of whether he was covering up something wrong or not. And it wasn't even worth it. That doesn't just make him a liar, it makes him extremely stupid.
This is also after a thread where everyone swore up and down that Bernie is trustworthy, that he wouldn't try to smear or discredit Warren using dirty tactics, and then he got caught red handed doing exactly that.
A lie is still a lie regardless of whether he was covering up something wrong or not. And it wasn't even worth it. That doesn't just make him a liar, it makes him extremely stupid.
if there were other candidates as far left as him, or even better further left than him, you'd see similar defense for them as well. like can libs stop calling the supporters of leftists cults of personality please? Cause I saw the same rhetoric from Yellow Tories supporters about Corbyn during the GE
It's funny because Warren was considered as far left as Sanders until she didn't endorse him in 2016. I very much remember the drama of her lack of an endorsement in 2016 in Massachusetts.
Now some years later she's being labeled as "status quo" and "establishment".
It's almost like it's... 100% personal and not at all tied to policy!
How can someone who was a republican ever have been considered as far left as Bernie?
I'm sure you're going to pull out your facts though and share
Its always the same suspects.
Although to be honest, i dont know why anyone would be hesitant to admit this in the Sanders camp. Yeah your going to let voters know about the positions of your rivals including Warren. If they were instructed to let supporters of Warren know about her base of support and positions on things like m4a like they probably are for Biden and others, that should just be considered normal strategy.
It shouldent be something they consider a scandal to try and obfuscate. Although Warren claiming "Bernie sent his volunteers out to trash me" is pretty much the same sort of rhetoric of the "he said a woman cant be president" type of misleading. Yeah, you let voters know of your rival's weaknesses in a primary, including when you go door to door, that's exactly what you do.
It would be like saying the campaign criticizing her on standing rock is "trashing her". Its not unfair at all, although i understand attacking Biden during debates instead of each other.
Although to be honest, i dont know why anyone would be hesitant to admit this in the Sanders camp. Yeah your going to let voters know about the positions of your rivals including Warren. If they were instructed to let supporters of Warren know about her base of support and positions on things like m4a like they probably are for Biden and others, that should just be considered normal strategy.
It shouldent be something they consider a scandal to try and obfuscate. Although Warren claiming "Bernie sent his volunteers out to trash me" is pretty much the same sort of rhetoric of the "he said a woman cant be president" type of misleading. Yeah, you let voters know of your rival's weaknesses in a primary, including when you go door to door, that's exactly what you do.
It would be like saying the campaign criticizing her on standing rock is "trashing her". Its not unfair at all, although i understand attacking Biden during debates instead of each other.
'Not giving a shit' would be showing apathy, not going on the defensive to defend your candidate. If that were true this issue wouldn't be so heated with Warren as a candidate, instead many supporters instantly turned on her - looking like they needed an excuse to justify that response.
That you think this is about how tame the script was is missing the point about why this become controversial. If you're right about Bernie with disciplining people that is not encouraging.
Tell me, why do Bernie supporters deflect to hyperbole 'jokes' when confronted with people who dislike what they're candidate is doing? Is this performance art? An attempt to confuse your opponents? Thinly veiled attacks disguised as jokes?
Or she made a bunch of unforced errors to the point that she looks a lot more equivocal than first thought putting her out of step with what people want from a supposed progressive.
she was? I mean if you say so, that wasn't the case in my eyes or anybody I've seen online but I suppose this could just be a case of different circles?
how is my theory that he's not going against his principles over such a minor mistake on these staffers parts somehow bad? Like i get that if he lied, which he didn't thats bad, but not making a pantomine out of firing people who made a mistake of using a tame asf script without checking with him first isn't some major offense
So, we don't have good poll aggregators for the general right now (because the good aggregators don't work on general election polls this far out, by and large), but glancing at RCP that doesn't really check out. They've got a lotta junk though, so you could very well be right, but the point is - most polls still give Biden the bigger lead in the general, so it's not really the safest rhetorical ground, IMO.
Oh, trust me, there were plenty of other responses. We had people quoting Shaun King of all people accusing Warren and her supporters of engaging in a massive smear campaign by inventing the script. It was deeply dumb, and even though it wasn't all that many people in the grand scheme of things, it definitely served to advance the needless agita.
As for canvassers, most of those scripts are terrible, so in that grand tradition I would have them say something like "Senator Warren is a great friend of Senator Sanders, but Sanders' policies are better for XYZ reasons" or something to that effect. Truth be told, it's a small hit, so like, the distinction here - between saying Bernie is more electable and Warren is less electable - is going to be small. But hey, it'd be another way of going about it.
Eh, something can be bad without being catastrophic. Hell, it can be bad without even being bad-bad. Nothing about this needed to be escalated.
Seriously, let's get some real drama going. I can't imagine this is story is relevant to more than a few thousand obsessive twitter users.
Edit: If I google this story, Resetera is literally the second link.
