I dont give a shit. I just hope they have them or else why are they even running
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Politico: Sanders Camp Admits Anti-Warren Script Was Deployed in Multiple Early States
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I dont give a shit. I just hope they have them or else why are they even running
nobody wants to talk about the concentration camps because it might suggest people should do something about them
I have knowledge of the workings of the volunteering team so I recognized that the script was likely legitimate from the start.
Actually argued with a few folks who were repeating the 'volunteer banned from slack' line. We browsed through the official responses and none of them were anywhere close to 'lying'.
The mass of online volunteers somehow assumed that they had access to all the phonebanking/texting info started spreading the rumor that it was a banned volunteer.
The truth is that a few low level staffers were starting up a 'persuasion' team to try and convince 2s or 3s to back Bernie. What's in the scripts are the mildest facts being listed. That some people consider it to be 'trashing' or an attack is absurd. And it's pretty telling that the focus is on the Warren when the Biden/Buttigieg script portion (which was also listed) are more scathing.
Actually argued with a few folks who were repeating the 'volunteer banned from slack' line. We browsed through the official responses and none of them were anywhere close to 'lying'.
The mass of online volunteers somehow assumed that they had access to all the phonebanking/texting info started spreading the rumor that it was a banned volunteer.
The truth is that a few low level staffers were starting up a 'persuasion' team to try and convince 2s or 3s to back Bernie. What's in the scripts are the mildest facts being listed. That some people consider it to be 'trashing' or an attack is absurd. And it's pretty telling that the focus is on the Warren when the Biden/Buttigieg script portion (which was also listed) are more scathing.
It's not about you. Start giving a shit about politics, as well.
It's not like I've been given much of an argument.
Oh, please. He's not comparable to trump.
Being *less* conservative than Trump isn't going to be good enough either.
That the media is focused on ripping the two progressives left.
I mean, not just the media. You could go into any political thread on this very forum and find Warren and Bernie supporters spoiling for a fight.
I'm saying he needs to do better. If he wins I am gladly supporting him. This has been completely mishandled. He can't afford for his campaign to keep fucking up.
Everyone in the democratic primary is less conservative than Trump. Not sure what you are alluding to there.
Such a frustrating week as someone that would happily support both candidates and desperately hopes for a non-Pete/Biden victory.
Ugh, Bernie and Warren have had enough on their plate working together to push progressive policy against the moderate flank of the debate stages. Please dear god I hope they both just come together again and squash these terribly stupid fights, they're just so dumb and unnecessary.
Ugh, Bernie and Warren have had enough on their plate working together to push progressive policy against the moderate flank of the debate stages. Please dear god I hope they both just come together again and squash these terribly stupid fights, they're just so dumb and unnecessary.
You're confusing going on the defensive with mocking the stupidity of it all.
Because some arguments merit no serious response. It would be giving them a weight they don't have.
similar to when Bernie said Warren considers herself a "Capitalist"? Which some took as a smear.
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The insipidness of this whole thing... The fact that people are trying to make something out of what might be one of the most benign documents of its kind in history is mind-blowing.
Now there's a story that fizzled out with haste.
You're under the mistaken impression that people need to disprove terrible arguments. "____, prove me wrong" is just a meme. You're implying that no other candidate's script uses language like Bernie's because the media hasn't published any other candidate's script. It's nonsense.
But big shout out to all the bernie supporters who are clutching their pearls in shock about a campaign making a big deal out of a nothingburger when y'all've been accusing everything of being a vast media conspiracy against bernie since 2015, that's an iconic pivot if i've ever seen one lol
I knocked on doors for friends campaigns all last year and will be knocking for Bernie in the coming weeks.
So yeah I give a shit, I just hope I get to vote for a candidate who does as well.
Honestly, I really think there's a solid chance they have a "hug it out" moment on stage tonight.
You can definitely do both at the same time, IME. If nobody felt threatened by this stuff, nobody would respond to it.
Ah, but don't you see Brazil, Memoghazi is deeply important and must be fought over because it proves a) Sanders is a vicious attack dog or b) Warren is an evil liar and we must tear each other to pieces over it!
And yeah the Pete thing was completely insane and I can't believe everybody just moved on from it, but I guess that's what happens when people stop expecting you to be good on racial issues: you get graded on the Republican scale.
a thing I think a lot about in regards to the primary is that when people feel like they don't have control over things in their life they often get much more strident about the things they do have control of, and frankly, nobody seems to have come up with a single working idea for how to disrupt the candidate with the twenty-point lead in the Democratic primary, who is also senile
That's right, one of the strangest hires the DNC made. Was she hired by Debbie Wasserman Schultz?
That's a defensive tactic.
We expect this from Trump, not someone who was a close friend of Warren's who made a truce pact with her.
That's how arguments work. I was asking point blank for evidence about this and was met with a shrug.
But not enough to engage in political conversations here? When you say "I don't give a shit' about politics people will take that at face value.
Did Bernie ever say anything negative about Tulsi Gabbard when she was meeting with Steve Bannon days after the 2016 election and then based on his recommendation went to Trump Tower within two weeks of the election to meet personally with Trump on Bannon's recommendation, where she was reportedly on the short list for Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, and UN Ambassador?
As far as Gabbard's leftist credentials, she was a member of the centrist Problem Solvers Caucus until she joined the Progressive Caucus near the end of 2017 with zero fanfare (no press release or statement, journalists only figured out when by checking the changed list of members via the internet archives)...
Perhaps Bernie, who made Tad "worked with Paul Manafort for Yanukovych in Ukraine" Devine his chief strategist, and who wanted to make Tulsi "voted present on Trump impeachment" Gabbard the next DNC chair, isn't quite as infallible as his cult makes him out to be?
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Did you read what the script says? It's pretty minor and like, factually true
Yeah I will say I have high hopes for this being the case but I don't really wanna hold my breath on it.
Then only one voice would be heard, setting the narrative.
technically the vote was unanimous, but, like, yes
the democrats wanted to push tulsi ahead in line because she was good looking, a military veteran, a person of color, and in a safe seat, so for those of you complaining about the DNC trying to promote their favored candidates for president, believe me, things could've been a LOT worse
Makes sense when Schultz is involved. She was terrible as a Florida Democrat and close friends with the Republicans there.
Well I actually value my time, so thats why I dont usually engage on here.
What on earth are you talking about? Did your read the line in question? Please tell me what is offensive about it, specifically. Should people canvassing for Bernie be disallowed from making a case for their candidate over another? Do you think Warren supporters don't rightfully have reasons why they prefer her over Bernie?
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I wish just once people would realize just once that the primaries are over the opposite team is who you're going to have to work with to get the shit you want.
Then why engage at all?
It was shade which broke the truce they had with each other. It was an attack I've seen Republicans use, framed in anti-intellectualism.
Sure, but I don't have any comparisons for her scripts and neither does anybody else.
I kinda feel like you're describing people getting defensive about possible bad narratives here, especially given the way it played out - there wasn't a uniform "eh it's nothing *shrug*" kind of response, people got vicious. Are still a little vicious. The thing for me is, the more harmful narrative is "the left eats itself again!" which is... what all the back-and-forth produced.
This is definitely overstating things lol.
Looking at the shit Republicans do and I just have to laugh at the supposed Sanders v. Warren "controversies" from the past few days. Releasing talking points about why you're a better candidate than your opponent is a scandal now?
Like you awkwardly concede here, that they were distributed doesn't necessarily mean they were approved. Doesn't have to be as extreme as "doesn't have any control over the talking points that it's putting out" either. Could be that Sanders and high level staff weren't as scrutinizing here and it burned them. I think at best it demonstrates sloppiness in their campaign if no one at a high level wanted this distributed as it was, yet it went out. At worst they always meant to issue these talking points which would be super weird since they would have at some point needed to answer for them and backtrack, so.... yeah this seems to be more likely a fuck-up than anything.
People trying to spin this as some 'Lyin' Bernie' thing, though.... seems even weaker than the hand-wringing over his health records.
Yeah, Bernie supporters shouldn't have jumped on unconfirmed accounts of personal experience at a low level of the campaign. The defensiveness surrounding this election causes people to do dumb things sometimes.
But I think part of what makes this topic so contentious is the focus on an assumed ridiculous lie which would be bad if there wasn't a much less ridiculous and inflammatory explanation of it actually being a mistake.
I mean maybe I'm just a bitter Bernie fan (I'm not), but it doesn't even seems like an equal thing. The word cult keeps being thrown around like that a normal way to talk about fellow posters.
It is when it breaks a truce with another campaign.
True, but that's what it reminded me of.
The script was the first half of the scandal, the rest was how Bernie and his campaign reacted. Both made the attack more controversial then it otherwise would be, put it in circumstances where Bernie is on thin ice with trust with Warren's staff and it's a powder keg ready to blow.
It's not an attack, nor is it even a critique of her personally. There is nothing "anti-intellectual" about it, only that her base is limited. It's completely factual.
I'm really concerned that you or anyone would take this as offensive. Warren's campaign is probably in shambles, also, if those canvassing on her behalf don't also draw distinctions between her and Bernie.
I've no problem with them debating over the issues it's the personal petty stuff that they waste time on from the same usual suspects that grates on my nerves.
I mean no offense, but your appraisal of the comparative degree of leftism between a self-identified capitalist and a self-identified demsoc is not very useful coming from someone who has no interest in reading socialist theory.
Remember when they spent that debate arguing about who had the biggest dick lol
It's almost like you don't need to read socialist theory to see how liberal and left leaning a US politician is.
Indeed. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
Do the search yourself in private browsing mode and see what pops up.
Also, this story is only getting discussed on this site because the thread about the way bigger story is locked. (Which for the record I think is a good idea.)
