That is beyond naive. With a stacked court they guarantee decades of fuckery. That's worth more than a wall no one wants to the GOP.
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Politico:Trump White House urging allies to prepare for possible RBG departure
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I said I would rather have the liberal judge. Not sure if you misunderstood my post.
The GOP has no reason to nominate a liberal judge in exchange for the wall. Its a situation that results in the GOP losing it would be a huge waste. The wall would at best be a strong but ineffective symbol for Trump while a Supreme Court Justice is a good 3+ decades of influence on nearly every facet of American Life.
Whelp the country is fucked for a good 30 years on the low end. Don't worry though, we'll take 2 baby steps forward in the name of progressivism in the face of the 10 adult steps back in the name of conservatism!
Higher chance they'll nominate Steve King than that happening.
Higher chance they'll nominate Steve King than that happening.
I just want to laugh at this whole thing. I hope people who didn't vote in 2016 like a conservative leaning SCOTUS. God damn the US may be fucked for many years if RBG has to step down.
GOP are evil not stupid. They'd laugh at that deal and the wall. This particular judge nomination alters the course of the US in VERY profound ways for the next 20 years on the low end.
Especially if the Mueller report ends up being damning for Trump. A perfect and entirely justifiable reason to essentially undo his nominees by adding the necessary seats. Indeed, even if she sees out the remainder of his tenure there would be an overwhelming case for an extra two and it wouldn't require much political savvy or the expenditure of a great deal of political capital under such circumstances.
He got 3 picks, he was only allowed two because of fuckery. RBG should have retired in 2012.
It doesn't take insider knowledge to see that she's very old and suffering a number of health problems.
But if you want insider knowledge, sometimes you can just ask:
On Rachel Maddow's show tonight she had on a doctor from Mt Sinai (9 years, previously with Sloan-Kettering for 10 years), who has worked with RBG's doctor. He said she is fine and recovering normally in the normal matter. He has done this surgery on a 102 year old successfully, and considering how much cancer RBG has had, had any of it been fast-moving it would have gotten her by now. So basically, she's fine according to the doctor.
Ego and hubris. That will be her legacy when Trump gets his third pick.
They put a mentally unstable attempted rapist on the court. They can pretty much nominate whatever ultra conservative piece of shit they want and ram him through.
Omg please no. Someone said the left SC justices should have retired on Bams 2nd term. Why left/Dems constantly tripping themselves?
Best of luck to America and her health.
Best of luck to America and her health.
Yup. We have to win Colorado, Maine, Iowa, Arizona, and North Carolina in 2020 to secure any nominees for the next Democratic President.
Giving RBG all my energy. Hopefully she sticks around another full decade or longer.
ALL for you Notorious RBG, please accept my humble life offering.
Or maybe there is some kind of Shinigami eyes-type of deal we can make and give her another quarter of a century. Share with me your wisdom RBG, and take half my life!
Because dipshits voted 3rd party and racist inbreds voted for Cheeto Hitler
I'm sure they will try, what have Republicans done that makes you think any differently?
Its now official what the dems have to do if RGB passes. If the dems get the sen and president in 2020 they must pack the court. Three conservative justices will literally destroy the country. Maybe Mueller can RICO the GOP dead before they can appoint.
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The SC is already fucked for ages. It's already in republicans pocket. Adding more fuel to the idea of packing or stripping its power is probably a good thing. Let her leave, let another Kavenaugh be selected and the circus that insues. Let a big abortion battle commence. None of that will end well for republicans in the long term. It will just further galvanize the left to finally fucking give a shit. It'll be another Trump sized wake up call.
It's not official at all, so don't scare people like that. By all accounts, she's recovering from her surgery just fine and even has an event scheduled in the near future. And she's still working.
Best solution when faced with a heavily politicised supreme court needs is to double its size and set term limits so we have more people coming and going, and know when they're due to leave. The nation needs RBG so much right now and it shouldn't have to, she shouldn't have that much pressure on her.
And when the GOP wins eventually again after that Democrat win,...what then? They pack the court even more?
You have a four year window to fix shit so they can't get into power again. Shut down their propaganda machine, fix campaign finance, prosecute and imprison all the corrupt senators and house reps, bring back the voting rights act so they can win elections they have no business winning, fix gerrymandering. Demographically the GOP should have 0 power anymore, they get power from manipulating an outdated electoral system. Priority number one for any dem majority needs to be fix that system or this country collapses in the next 10 - 20 years.
Dems are going to have to add several Supreme Court seats to balance out the court out of necessity. Term limits need a constitutional amendment, and I don't see how you'd get 38 states to sign off on something like that as it would yank power away from the Republicans on a regular basis every few years. The Republican party would have to collapse in order for that to happen.
Sotomayor and Kagan received GOP votes during the Senate floor vote
Most likely, many of them thought Hillary would be the president right now, so they were just waiting to help her out in any matters that arose.
With Trump in, some of them didn't really have much of a choice. I'm sure they wanted to retire anyways/were getting up there in age so they were already planning to leave, but Trump winning altered those plans a lot.
Why is this even the law in the first place? What about separation of the three branches?
The senate confirms the justice. That's the check in place.
The system wasn't really designed for rigid political party divides or the assumption that party line voting justices would be confirmed.
She really should have. This was her arrogance in thinking that Clinton was a sure-fire win in 2016, and hanging on to allow Hillary to pick her replacement. That was a huge miscalculation. She should have stepped down during Obama's administration to allow him to find a suitably-left judge.
The consequences of RBG's mistake are just staggering, the impact on millions of American's over one person's fuck up. The impact on millions of American women in the possibility that the GOP can finally put enough conservative judges on the court to cripple or even overturn Roe v Wade...
I think it's hardly fair to blame an elderly woman for not retiring a decade early, instead of blaming that we live in such a broken country that a mid 80s sick old woman is the only thing stopping people from losing basic human rights.
these aren't new rules. she knew the risks of staying in office
yeah this is insane. Trump can have 4 Supreme Court justices, affecting the types of policies we can achieve in this country for decades, after most Americans voted against him. What a dumb fucking system.
It is absolutely fair. She gambled the rights of millions and she lost. Of course I blame the voters who put Trump in office first and foremost because they knew the stakes, or should have, but RBG fucked up big time.
She didn't know what the court's makeup would look like 5 years later. Had Scalia been replaced by Garland, RBG dying wouldn't have mattered nearly as much. Had Kennedy not retired, RBG dying wouldn't have mattered as much.
Hindsight is 20/20.
In 2014, her last possible time to retire, there was no urgency to get her replaced.
It's a pretty awful thought, both RBG dying and her seat flipping to conservative. A 6-3 court is a great opportunity to have all sorts of rights stripped away, and very few new rights granted. I'm a straight, white, relatively wealthy, highly-educated, male, citizen... and all I can say is that I feel extremely fortunate to have those qualities right now, and I wish minorities in the US could have the same sense of security. Don't get me wrong - I feel absolutely awful for a lot of people in this country and that way they're treated. I just recognize that I don't have to feel those feelings, and I'm thankful for that, and hope that others can be brought up to quality of life I have.
Let's get the Executive Branch and Senate in 2020, then add in two new seats. One to get back the one that was stolen (Garland), and another to counter that illegitimate Gorsuch appointment.
Let's get the Executive Branch and Senate in 2020, then add in two new seats. One to get back the one that was stolen (Garland), and another to counter that illegitimate Gorsuch appointment.