It is an ad selling a product that is as far away from transphobic a corporation can get.It still doesn't excuse that ad in particular. Like, even if that's the only transphobic thing in the game, its still really bad.
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It is an ad selling a product that is as far away from transphobic a corporation can get.It still doesn't excuse that ad in particular. Like, even if that's the only transphobic thing in the game, its still really bad.
They never actually made a statement or gave an apology for those tweets?I think a lot of this comes down to communication. Especially if you're a company with a history of posting transphobic tweets to your official accounts, you may wan to think about releasing a statement like this before you release potentially controversial imagery. And, of course, apologising for said transphobic tweets might be a good idea, as well. But there are certainly examples of game studios taking on controversial subjects without starting giant shitstorms or triggering outrage. A recent example would be Ninja Theory with Hellblade.
But the satus quo framed in Cyberpunk isn't our real world perceived status quo of the respective sexualities. That's the point she was trying to make. Sexuality in general seems to be used to an obscene and absurd degree, not just LGBTQ sexuality. And my first post disagreed with your notion that that's not the case.There's a world of difference between advertising status quo sexuality that's acceptable in the modern lens vs. using sexual imagery such as LGBT sexuality that isn't status quo framed as the "obscene and absurd."
They didn't show this on stage whatsoever. The piece of art in question is from a screenshot provided by Nvidia, and zoomed in like 500% so you can even see it.
Again, I doubt anybody involved even realized the ad was a part of the promo image. Which means they probably didn't give much thought to how to would be read removed from context.I'm not discounting that, but my point was the image was shown prominently on stage without ANY context around it. When you remove all context from the imagery you're going to be in this situation where it's subjected to questioning and outrage. NVIDIA and CDPR should have known better about using it removed from the context of the story.
Very much this.I think it's a reasonable point of view and its inclusion in the game is fine. People need to realize that things in media can and often do serve a narrative purpose.
They had a message in mind but some Era members told me that media never has a statement or message. 🤔
It does, actually, the explanation being that they're portraying this kind of thing in order to criticize / explore it.It still doesn't excuse that ad in particular. Like, even if that's the only transphobic thing in the game, its still really bad.
In the context it was perfectly understandable. Way to dismiss peoples concernssame
It was funny how people got into the bangwaggon of hate so fast, like they needed to reason to hate something before even knowing the facts
I feel like this would've worked better as a response had they previously shown literally any evidence of trans/non-binary people existing within this world before this poster, rather than just us having to go on this as a claim.
Because while I feel like the explanation is fair devoid of context, I think there's fair reason to be wary of their word when it comes to this stuff, given previous events.
but there are people like that who don't identify as trans.Oh dear.
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I get it, but me thinks their vocabulary is not really up to date.
I mean, I highly doubt the guy selecting the screenshot was even consciously aware this was in the background.Updated my comment, but my statement still stands about using it outside the context of the story.
If she's Polish, all nouns and adjectives in the language are gendered. There's a male, female, and "neutral"Oh dear.
Um...
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I get it, but me thinks their vocabulary is not really up to date.
I don't get how it's transphobic.
The explanation here is that in a world more accepting of all gender identities, a wider variety of those identities become sexualized for the purpose of marketing. This feels like the opposite of transphobia.
I think it's a reasonable point of view and its inclusion in the game is fine. People need to realize that things in media can and often do serve a narrative purpose.
Very much this.
OP, you say don't say it seems fine now that it's in context, but that context was well explained and showed artistic vision/thought behind it.
I thought that was a pretty fair comeback from CDPR.
If I remember correctly, their statement boiled down to "we're sorry you were offended" which isn't a real apology.They never actually made a statement or gave an apology for those tweets?
And I actually don't know a whole lot about Hellblade - but that's good to hear.
I don't know how people can say that Cyberpunk 2077 has no messages or that they are not making a statement about particular themes, i mean
Cyberpunk 2077 quest designer says it's 'inherently political'
Also discusses why they've made their new RPG first-person.www.pcgamer.com
They didn't show this on stage whatsoever. The piece of art in question is from a screenshot provided by Nvidia, and zoomed in like 500% so you can even see it.
I mean..people were already assuming that this was the intention in that other thread, but were being lambasted for it lol.
Very much this.
OP, you say don't say it seems fine now that it's in context, but that context was well explained and showed artistic vision/thought behind it.
I thought that was a pretty fair comeback from CDPR.
I've updated my Edit and hope that clarifies what I meanYeah I thought the OPs edit was odd too
I'd like to know how they could make the point they wanted to make, in a way people who don't think the context matters, feel wouldn't be an issue
I agree with this.I'm not sure that making an offensvie advertisement in a game actually does make any meaningful commentary on the subject beyond just spreading the narrative around further. She says that her intention is to show that "Hypersexualization in advertisements is just terrible" while at the same she is talking about how sexy she finds the person in the ad. I fail to see how an advertisment with "Mix it up" "Chromanticure" and a bulge that is not represented when men are sexualized are really making the statement that she thinks that it is.
The constant sexualization and fetishization that trans people have faced throughout society should probably be handled with a bit more nuance than whatever kind of reasoning this is as contributing to the problem does not increase empathy in any way and only further alienates us.
So pretty much "blame the fictional corporation and not us"?
Yikes.
You won't. It's in the game.Cool statement. I look forward to their character generator allowing trans and non-binary options to back up those words and the game acknowledging those options.
Sure I won't be disappointed
N-No.So pretty much "blame the fictional corporation and not us"?
Yikes.
Hmm, alright. Wonder why we haven't heard about it yet from any of the journalists in attendance.That's where the image got posted on Twitter from, but the Polygon article mentions they have the same ad posted in their E3 booth.
That person might have been misinformed about it being on-stage, but they're absolutely promoting this.