Polygon: CDPR responds to sexualized trans advertisement in CyberPunk 2077 (Read Staff Post Before Posting)

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I mean, hasn't what they've shown done just that? I mean the entire game is about cancerous corporations exploiting this city and you are very specifically fighting against it.
I dont think we can make that judgment until we play the game. That can be the premise of the game but the ad doesn't show any realy purpose until its context is actually realized int he game itself.
 
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Interesting.

So the content of the ad was intended to be offensive. People who were saying that the ad was cool and empowering etc. completely missed CDPR's point. And, in fact, showed themselves to be part of the problem.

It would be if the ad had featured blatant misogyny and objectification, and women said it was offensive, and then dudebros answered "no that chick is hot, what's the problem? it's empowering!", then CDPR said "actually that ad is intended to be offensive".

It's encouraging that the CDPR artist fully understands that and is presenting this as social commentary, too.
I didn't comment in the other thread because I wanted to see what CDPR's response was first.q

However, my thinking was that it was supposed to be offensive for the very reasons she has outlined.

Plus, cyberpunk always has this underlying idea of evil corporations exploiting humans for body mods etc.

Like you say, they know it is offensive and the purpose of them showing this is to present it as a social commentary about sexualisation.
 

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I'm honestly quite disgusted how easily people are handwaving the possibility that this has any negative connotations towards transgender people and saying everyone who had an issue with it was jumping to conclusions and looking for things to be bothered by. Trans fetishization is a real thing and without context, that's literally what it looked like. Satire requires it to be obvious enough that it's not being presented as something the writer/ creator believes, but something they're mocking. CDPR doesn't have a good history, with several "jokes" to the expense of the LGBT+ community and half-assed "apologies", and we're supposed to just believe this is in good faith from face value? Without context, it looks bad. With context, CDPR is horrible with representation. It's really not hard to see why people had a problem with it in the first place, and why people may still have problems.

Personally, I think "It's meant to be offensive" doesn't excuse why it's offensive. Are most people really gonna feel angry over the evil fictional company using fetishization of trans women to fuel their own sales, and not just like "eww woman with a giant dick"? This kind of satire requires our world to see transgender people in a good light BEFORE using them to satirize a fictional evil company, or else they fall into a situation where people actually think the same way as the "evil corporation" does.
1000x all of this

Like hey trans people have to be on guard for shit like this every single day. Don’t tell them not to be concerned about things, don’t jump on them for “jumping to conclusions”, don’t tell them they’re just looking to be outraged. And until I see how they handle gender issues outside of this ad I reaaaally don’t want to give them any benefit of the doubt because their handling of race within the game so far has not been good at all- why would I assume they’d handle trans people any better?
 

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This just reads so hollow when everything shown of Cyberpunk 2077 so far has been so completely sanitized of sexuality and LGBT representation. Nothing shown so far makes it seem like brazen depictions of objectified sexuality aren't still considered taboo in Night City, which makes the advertisement just popping up on a wall seem more like an attempt to be absurd and mocking. Especially when the advertisement's design is designed similarly to bigoted jokes about trans people - "Oh, a sexy woman! Ah, surprise, there's a penis. Mix it up! Don't take it personally, It's a joke." which just comes across as bigotry in the guise of edgy social commentary.
Agreed. Considering their track record i don’t trust them at all with handling these topics.

They couldn’t even keep the female V for merchandising, and turned back to the male generic character we’ve seen a thousand times.
 

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No worries, she actually has a pretty heartwarming story from cancer survivor to a main role at CDPR






Kind of puts things into perspective when people can use the internet to be soo quick to judge a person before they're even able to answer or speak.

Why is her story or position at the company relevant? Well, if we're all going to engage in assuming someone must be a terrible person from the get go, it can end up not being that way sometimes. It doesn't mean you have to retroactively agree with her artistic intentions, but maybe hold off calling someone alt-right and some of the shit from the other topic before you even know who they are?



And she likes cats. Most people who like cats tend to be good people. It's a fact.
 

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You know what might send that message more strongly? Actually doing more to center trans and non-binary people in what they’ve shown of the game.

Because that’s what the game is, supposedly, right? So is the lack of that in their messaging a “we suck at PR” thing, or is it a “we invented some bullshit because it turns out that people didnt like our ‘she has a dick lol’ joke” thing?
To date, we've seen 3 or 4 CGI trailers, one 50 minute alpha demo and another demo that we are just getting leaked details from.

The reality is, everyone is assuming how they're going to tackle an extremely complex issue. It's not like they've made this the forefront of their marketing one way or another, we've seen a screen capture from a marketing video for video cards.

That's not to say they will or won't handle the topic appropriately, however I think it's a little early to assume how they will address it. Obviously the Witcher has a misogynist lead and they've had issues with social media in the past, but in a vacuum looking at this image it's a hyper-sexualized advertisement which is unlikely to be restricted to transgender characters. Whether that is a problem or not, I guess is up to the individual.
 

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Anyone can depict bigotry and criticize it. But when Charlie Hebdo depicts something offensive against christians is not the same as when it depicts something that offends muslims. There is an outsider element that makes satire way harder to do if you are not part of the oppressed group, and that makes it harder to trust the creation of said satire.
I agree with your point, however, the specific example isn't one you want to use.....
 
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Personally, I think "It's meant to be offensive" doesn't excuse why it's offensive. Are most people really gonna feel angry over the evil fictional company using fetishization of trans women to fuel their own sales, and not just like "eww woman with a giant dick"? This kind of satire requires our world to see transgender people in a good light BEFORE using them to satirize a fictional evil company, or else they fall into a situation where people actually think the same way as the "evil corporation" does.
I don't want to comment on whether CDPR is right or not. You may very well be right that this will be a problem even after the full context of the game. I'll wait to play it to make that judgment and line up alongside you if it turns out you're right. But I do think you're incorrect in this part.

This kind of satire can be very effective. If people see "normal" fetishization to such a degree in this game that it becomes disturbing, they will recognize the message the game is sending. If they then see "abnormal" fetishization, they will be much more likely to make the connection between the "normal" and the "abnormal" and come to the conclusion that the fetishization is wrong even as applied to a type of person they might not normally have compassion for. Will this happen here? I don't know. But it could.
 

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Wait that's how you view this?

"Mix it up" is a joke punchline, okay. But how does that make it not commercialized or be within the context of a corporation co opting a visual and suggesting certain elements to sell. Especially given the timeline.

Its like company still using obvious racist stereotype types as logo's. I highly doubt its about watching out for the horror of a woman with a penis.
The image reads identically to current-day trans fetishization. That isn't representative of corporate co-opting of trans identity, it's just the same shitty exploitation. If you were to write a satirical ad about, say, corporate co-opting of racial identity, you might write something like "Black Lives Matter - which is why we're proud to sell Pepsi Black!" You would not depict sambo imagery.
 

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The image reads identically to current-day trans fetishization. That isn't representative of corporate co-opting of trans identity, it's just the same shitty exploitation. If you were to write a satirical ad about, say, corporate co-opting of racial identity, you might write something like "Black Lives Matter - which is why we're proud to sell Pepsi Black!" You would not depict sambo imagery.
Have you played Bio shock Infinite?
 

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I really like her statement and I completely believe her, and while CDPR’s past involving the transgender community has been rough to say the least, her description of corporate hypersexualization extending beyond binary sexes is super intriguing and actually fairly progressive in my opinion.


I think, unless they do something completely irredeemable, we should give the benefit of the doubt, or at least allow them to explain themselves. This isn’t a “did you just assume my gender” joke, this is actually really cool world building. I don’t give a shit about CDPR, I never got into The Witcher, but stuff like this makes the world that they’re building seem super interesting, and if this whole “people vs. corporations” is pulled off well, this game could show something we haven’t really seen in games.
 

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Personally, I think "It's meant to be offensive" doesn't excuse why it's offensive. Are most people really gonna feel angry over the evil fictional company using fetishization of trans women to fuel their own sales, and not just like "eww woman with a giant dick"? This kind of satire requires our world to see transgender people in a good light BEFORE using them to satirize a fictional evil company, or else they fall into a situation where people actually think the same way as the "evil corporation" does.
Oh, I hadn't considered that... Here's to hoping the game (somehow...) manages to contextualize it properly to avoid such (mis)readings.

The image reads identically to current-day trans fetishization. That isn't representative of corporate co-opting of trans identity, it's just the same shitty exploitation. If you were to write a satirical ad about, say, corporate co-opting of racial identity, you might write something like "Black Lives Matter - which is why we're proud to sell Pepsi Black!" You would not depict sambo imagery.
I don't want to dismiss your concerns, but wouldn't that, if done properly, actually allow CDPR to contextualize and critique trans fetishization? (Whether CDPR would manage to pull that off is a different question though.)
 

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i guess that's one way to try and shut down discussion
What, you mean it's okay when we don't know who someone is to hurl everything possible at them but when they finally state who they are and talk about something, it's suddenly not fair to provide any supporting evidence they might not be a colossal piece of shit?

And here I would think people would appreciate some evidence who's handling this seems on the surface to be a decent person who's had their own life battles and might be able to empathize with others.

If you note, I said in my post just because she doesn't appear to be a piece of shit doesn't mean you have to be forced to agree with her intent, but instead I just hope it's yet another lesson in engaging in assumption making and accusing on the internet when there is still a chance evidence might come in you're not 100% correct in your judgement.
 

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So it’s basically what I assumed on the other thread. Its fetishized but done to depict an out of control capitalist nightmare.

I honestly don’t mean the following to be transphobic or attempting erasure because representation is important and trans people in the real world need FAR more representation than they get. Therefore the following is totally irrelevant to our world and only applies to the fictional setting.

But I don’t know if you could really do transgender representation well in CP77 because the entire concept might be pretty outdated. If you are born the wrong sex you can literally build yourself a new body, and it’s not something that is othered or decriminated against because everyone builds themselves a new body.

BioWare had the same problem by trying to positively depict trans people in andromeda but hamfisted it by having a character deadname herself to a total stranger. It was a totally offensive fuckup but it’s also pretty difficult to try to give noticeable representation when medical technology allows everyone to pass.

It's an advertisement that sexualises the model. The model is trans.
I just see it as, even in 2077 sex is used to sell products.
I don’t even think the model is necessarily supposed to be trans. I think in this world with the body mods and whatnot that this is most likely a cis woman with a prosthetic.
 

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I'm not saying not to ask for explanations - But that we should ask for them when we know what they are
This defeats the purpose of asking for an explanation. You’re not interested in having a discussion, you’re interested in people not being angry about alleged isms, which is your prerogative.

But I’ll be over here, asking people to explain why they can’t seem to write people of color with any due care, and I won’t be waiting for whenever some third party deems it the appropriate time to have the conversation. The appropriate time will always be immediately.

We’re done here.
 

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I think, unless they do something completely irredeemable, we should give the benefit of the doubt, or at least allow them to explain themselves. This isn’t a “did you just assume my gender” joke, this is actually really cool world building. I don’t give a shit about CDPR, I never got into The Witcher, but stuff like this makes the world that they’re building seem super interesting, and if this whole “people vs. corporations” is pulled off well, this game could show something we haven’t really seen in games.
I don't think they deserve the benefit of the doubt and I will not give it to them. They haven't earned it and they have repeatedly shown they don't care, maybe the game will do it well but right now even with this explanation it doesn't make me feel any better about them.
 

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It was a reasoned explanation. I think we will have to see how this game plays out as whole to see full intentions. This will most likely be an rpg of insurmountable scale so after playing through it we might all be like "holy shit I get what she was saying" or we might say "holy shit I didn't get that at all after playing through the story." Time will tell.
 

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"yeah it was fucked up. but it was that way on purpose because the world is fucked up...."

oic
 

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Have you played Bio shock Infinite?
Bioshock Infinite isn't a satire about how positive Black identity is suborned into commercialism. When it depicts racist imagery it depicts this "utopian" version of the American past as intrinsically, horrifically racist and oppressive. If you think this ad is equivalent to the imagery of Bioshock Infinite, then Redesiuk's defense makes no sense, and should be regarded as very suspicious.

Bioshock Infinite is also an example of a game where the writers tried to be explicitly anti-racist ("all this racism is awful") and still ended up being fairly racist (you have no agency in the game to do anything about all that racism, and the Vox Populi immediately betray you and start committing destructive violence the moment they get any power, BOTH SIDES guys).
 

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I like the artist's response but I can't help but think the game is going to do a bad job of contextualizing this outlook in the wider game. The treatment of the voodoo boys (as discussed in the thread about the RPS experience with the demo) takes them from a commentary on privileged white students of the frat-boy variety engaging in cultural appropriation to just replicating stereotypes of black culture and criminality.

Often it is necessary to highlight or demonstrate examples of offensive content in order to discuss and criticize it. This has to be done with care. My agreement with the artist on her art and the points she wished to make should not be taken as a defense of the use of that art in the game or any of the content surrounding it. I don't trust CDPR as a whole to handle the issue well given that no other potentially offensive aspects of the game seem to have been given this level of consideration.
 

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Man, come on. This means nothing without further context on how trans people are represented in the game outside of these advertisements. Why are people just taking her words at face value and assuming positive intent? If this is all the representation we trans people get in the game then it's still farcical bullshit.

I just can't give them the benefit of the doubt at this point. When they quite literally could not even conceive of the idea of letting players play as non-binary individuals for the game's character creation, how can you not at least be skeptical over the potential direction they could take for trans representation in the NPCs? Not to mention how they're treating the Haitians...

I just don't get it, man. It's just empty bluster at this point. They really, really do not deserve such an easy pass.
 
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To date, we've seen 3 or 4 CGI trailers, one 50 minute alpha demo and another demo that we are just getting leaked details from.

The reality is, everyone is assuming how they're going to tackle an extremely complex issue. It's not like they've made this the forefront of their marketing one way or another, we've seen a screen capture from a marketing video for video cards.

That's not to say they will or won't handle the topic appropriately, however I think it's a little early to assume how they will address it. Obviously the Witcher has a misogynist lead and they've had issues with social media in the past, but in a vacuum looking at this image it's a hyper-sexualized advertisement which is unlikely to be restricted to transgender characters. Whether that is a problem or not, I guess is up to the individual.
First, because you’re not the only person posting “this is just from a screenshot from a video card company”, that screenshot is something they chose to promote and that ad is posted inside their E3 booth. Downplaying the source like that is bullshit.

People think it will be handled poorly because CD Projekt Red has a bad track record on this stuff and hasn’t remotely proven that they can be trusted in this regard.

And if you think the problem is going to be relieved by adding a bunch of hypersexualized images of other people elsewhere on the gender spectrum, I suspect you don’t actually understand the problem from the jump.
 

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No worries, she actually has a pretty heartwarming story from cancer survivor to a main role at CDPR






Kind of puts things into perspective when people can use the internet to be soo quick to judge a person before they're even able to answer or speak.

Why is her story or position at the company relevant? Well, if we're all going to engage in assuming someone must be a terrible person from the get go, it can end up not being that way sometimes. It doesn't mean you have to retroactively agree with her artistic intentions, but maybe hold off calling someone alt-right and some of the shit from the other topic before you even know who they are?



And she likes cats. Most people who like cats tend to be good people. It's a fact.
Doesn't Poland have free healthcare?
 

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While I didn't comment in the Original Thread, one thing sounds hollow to me.

The response says there are a lot of nonbinary people with considerable buying power. Will we get to see any of them?

This ties into a bigger question. Does any of this intriguing world building actually translate to the game? Because up until now I haven’t seen any of it.
 

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Doesn't Poland have free healthcare?
If you don't value your life or can wait a year or two in queue to see a specialist, then yes, it does. Otherwise pay up to see somebody privately asap.

No worries, she actually has a pretty heartwarming story from cancer survivor to a main role at CDPR






Kind of puts things into perspective when people can use the internet to be soo quick to judge a person before they're even able to answer or speak.

Why is her story or position at the company relevant? Well, if we're all going to engage in assuming someone must be a terrible person from the get go, it can end up not being that way sometimes. It doesn't mean you have to retroactively agree with her artistic intentions, but maybe hold off calling someone alt-right and some of the shit from the other topic before you even know who they are?



And she likes cats. Most people who like cats tend to be good people. It's a fact.
Dogs > Cats

You know it's true.
 

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Those calculating bastards saw this coming and had the artist on standby to deflect criticism. She isn't in charge of the game and doesn't get to dictate how everything is contextualized in the story. Also she conflates gender-noncomformity with trans identities so she doesn't know her shit.

If CDPR really gave a shit, they'd talk about and show positive trans and LGBTQ+ representation in the game. The character creator shown thus far enforces the gender binary and they only feature a man protagonist in the promo material.
 

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> please don’t say something like “see it was fine in context

The fuck is this? Would it be easier if you just created a poll with the acceptable takes that we can just vote on, then?
 

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While I didn't comment in the Original Thread, one thing sounds hollow to me.

The response says there are a lot of nonbinary people with considerable buying power. Will we get to see any of them?

This ties into a bigger question. Does any of this intriguing world building actually translate to the game? Because up until now I haven’t seen any of it.
Those calculating bastards saw this coming and had the artist on standby to deflect criticism. She isn't in charge of the game and doesn't get to dictate how everything is contextualized in the story. Also she conflates gender-noncomformity with trans identities do she doesn't know her shit.

If CDPR really gave a shit, they'd talk about and show positive trans and LGBTQ+ representation in the game. The character creator shown thus far enforces the gender binary and they only feature a man protagonist in the promo material.
Exactly this right here.

How can anyone accept this reasoning when they don't seem to walk the walk in any of their promotional materials? The ONLY representation of trans people we get in this game so far is... this fetishized marketing bullshit. How am I supposed to give them the benefit of the doubt when that's all we have?
 

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Have you played Bio shock Infinite?
This is quite possibly the biggest expression of racist imagery in Bioshock Infinite:



It is striking. Heck, some politicians actually used it unironically.

However, it didn't need explanation because we knew what it was being used to and why it was supposed to be shocking about it: in Bioshock, you had an "apparent" conservative utopia lost in nationalist values. It was clear from the get-go that your enemy was the group holding those values, not to mention that the game was linear and was released in 2013.

Cyberpunk 2077 is not out yet, obviously, but aside from the idea that big corporations are evil (which is weird considering how many people in this thread are willing to defend a company), there is not a lot of discourse that reinforces the idea that the game itself is commenting on those issues. Also, the depiction in Bioshock, as you can see, is clearly visual and exaggerated: every minority is ugly and dark. There is almost no undertone. In the advert seen in Cyberpunk, we see something that, were it not for the bulge, would be completely acceptable (if you consider the other materials from the game and the history of the company).

And that is the thing with satire: it doesn't matter where your heart is if you can't execute it in a way that doesn't just reinforce it.

A good example:



It was supposed to be satire, but it didn't really work. It's not that it wasn't obvious, but the overarching message just didn't come across very well. David Remnick thought it would work. It didn't. Satire isn't just doing the same offensive thing with a good intention.
 

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While I didn't comment in the Original Thread, one thing sounds hollow to me.

The response says there are a lot of nonbinary people with considerable buying power. Will we get to see any of them?

This ties into a bigger question. Does any of this intriguing world building actually translate to the game? Because up until now I haven’t seen any of it.
Its hard to take at face value when this is our first glimpse at a gender non-conforming/trans person in the setting. 3 trailers and a gameplay video with no representation, suddenly trans person with comedically sized genitalia. Really doesn't paint a good picture imo
 

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Bioshock Infinite isn't a satire about how positive Black identity is suborned into commercialism. When it depicts racist imagery it depicts this "utopian" version of the American past as intrinsically, horrifically racist and oppressive. If you think this ad is equivalent to the imagery of Bioshock Infinite, then Redesiuk's defense makes no sense, and should be regarded as very suspicious.

Bioshock Infinite is also an example of a game where the writers tried to be explicitly anti-racist ("all this racism is awful") and still ended up being fairly racist (you have no agency in the game to do anything about all that racism, and the Vox Populi immediately betray you and start committing destructive violence the moment they get any power).
I was just more using it as an example of artist using stereotypical racist imagery as a vehicle to provide commentary or a lenses into the viewpoint of the world the game resides it. An that it does happen. Now millage may very one the end result. Not necessary using it as a direct equivalent but more as a reasonable conclusion. Since we know that from the artist perspective that it was not meant as a joke or full on satire. But as a window into the no binary aspects of the cyberpunk world itself, with all its transhumanismism themes and non conformity towards particular traditional gender modifications. That are popular in that world, seemingly speaking and so corporations are latching on to it. I mean none of it is far fetched.


Although i think Bio shock infinite was trying to create duality scenario/narrative. But they certainly didn't quite understand how to execute it without jumping into non agency. To compile the change in conflict, especially in the context of anti slavery and racism. Now i may need to re-watch some videos on that game, to refresh. Thank you.
 

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I don't get the controversy
-CDPR has a bad record with these themes
-Both due to CDPR's previous work and what's been shown of 2077 so far, people feel 2077 won't be doing enough to represent LGBTQ+ people well.
-"It's supposed to be offensive" only works if the game manages to contextualize that offensiveness in a way that criticizes it.
-Some people think that the ad can be interpreted differently than what this developer said was the intention, and aren't convinced the game will portray it properly.
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As a trans person I don't agree with the art per se but I could live with the first part of her explanation because we see some of this stuff already in society today on all fronts. It would thematically track because I don't see this issue being resolved any time soon, sadly.

What I really take issue with is that Redisuk said "I honestly think we need it because we need more acceptance in the world, and we need to also show how the goodness of people is sometimes used against them."

Ads like this do not breed acceptance in any form. It contributes further towards a growing fetishism of trans people, which can be easily seen by the growing popularity of it on porn streaming services. All of it generally leads to people jerking off over us but then taking away our rights.

If the artists goal was to help usher in a wave of acceptance they are doing it wrong and claiming otherwise is disingenuous in my opinion. Pair that with previous statements made by the company via Twitter and it feels like another not so subtle jab at trans women.
 

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First, because you’re not the only person posting “this is just from a screenshot from a video card company”, that screenshot is something they chose to promote and that ad is posted inside their E3 booth. Downplaying the source like that is bullshit.
Or it didn't even get noticed in marketing. I doubt marketing also did pick it up, then thought, this would be hilarious to go rile up a community. Marketing departments aren't art design or developers and quite often things do get missed.

People think it will be handled poorly because CD Projekt Red has a bad track record on this stuff and hasn’t remotely proven that they can be trusted in this regard.

And if you think the problem is going to be relieved by adding a bunch of hypersexualized images of other people elsewhere on the gender spectrum, I suspect you don’t actually understand the problem from the jump.
I understand the problem but I'm also not dismissing what the game is actually about. They may handle it terribly but body modification and a corporate dystopia is the key aspect of the game. There is one image suggesting that they've made a caricature of it but no one actually knows how they are actually going to address it.
 

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Is there a graffiti minigame where you can deface these ads? How does your actions of the player counter this toxic advertisement that you are supposedly fighting against? Of course there isn't.
Yea, this needs to be a thing in-game, hopefully.

Now do something about that terrible Latino character. As a Latino myself, I hate it when they always use the "Latino character who keeps throwing random words in Spanish despite speaking English perfectly" trope. It's annoying. Either show him speaking Spanish with other people (with subtitles) or don't overuse the random Spanish words.
 

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