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Playerunknown's Battlegrounds has become the game that offers loot crates that most feels like gambling, with the ability for some players to make real-world money by lucking their way into rare items. The developer itself, not to mention Steam, is also going to profit handsomely from the system.

The methods by which it's doing this aren't novel, but the whole thing is being designed with what seems like an eye toward the games that have come before while also trying to get ahead of criticisms by being transparent about how it all works.

The end result, however, is going to be a system that lets players spend real money in the hopes of striking it rich selling rare items.

It's very easy to ignore the loot box aspect of PUBG, because it doesn't impact the game itself. You don't have to worry about cosmetics if you don't want to, and rare items don't do much to change the balance of the game itself. It's a side system, and that's part of the reason it's so insidious. It looks almost like a game with a themed casino attached, even if both sides of the business have only a glancing relationship with each other.


The odds of getting the new items, at least on the test server at the time of publication, have been posted on the official site. You have a 40 percent chance of getting a desperado crate, and you will get the rarest item in 0.16 percent of those crates. The rarest item overall is the checkered cloth mask in the biker crates, which you'll find in 0.01 percent of the crates you'll open. The amount of disclosure on these odds is welcome, but the rest of the situation is a bit hazier.

PUBG doesn't just sell crates, nor can you earn as many as you'd like. There's a limit of six crates per week on your account, and the developer itself has, in the past, indicated this is done to keep rarity of certain items low, which increases their value.

"The reason crates get more expensive the more you buy is to enforce a soft limit on the number of crates you can buy a week," an older version of the game's FAQ stated."This creates an economy based on our skins. Limiting the number of crates you can obtain a week is important to make sure there is rarity within items so there's value in the marketplace."

The difference is that PUBG seems to be creating this entire system, complete with posted percentages, as a way to create a transparent system that also creates value on the secondary market. You don't have to guess at how rare these items are, you know you have very little chance at getting them through the game itself. That's going to send people to the marketplace, and there's an argument to be made that it's all being done within the rules of Steam.

Which is accurate, but it looks suspiciously like a system meant to facilitate a risk-based system designed to make the house money. If only we had a name for that.

More @ https://www.polygon.com/2018/1/9/16870828/pubg-loot-crates-probability-odds-gambling

Don't say it's just EA getting attention!

0.01% bruh, in a full price game.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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It absolutely is gambling. Some of those items will sell for thousands of dollars. Sure the key costs real money and you only have a 0.01% chance of getting that item... But it's only $2 right? This is what gambling addicts use to justify their behavior. I've seen it myself and it becomes even less defensible when you look at the studies that show pathological gambling/addictive behaviors may be fueled by genetics.
http://steamcommunity.com/market/listings/578080/BLACK SCHOOL UNIFORM SET (FEMALE)

Edit: Sick of the whataboutisms, Loot boxes are inherently predatory. TCGs are inherently predatory and I hope the law catches up to current business practices before this stuff harms this industry even more. If these games can't survive without picking between one scummy practice (season passes that split online communities) and another (loot boxes), fuck 'em.
 
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Rikucrafter

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Is PUBG full price? I don't agree with any of the entire idea of loot box gambling, but I'm a bit less heavy on a game that cost me $40 AUD doing it than one that cost me $90 AUD (Overwatch, Battlefront 2)
 

Metal Slugger

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but it was totally on par with P5, BotW, Odyssey and HZD last year

one of the best games in the best year of gaming, millions of chicken dinners can't be wrong
 

Lemstar

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The only way for the "house" to make money here is through the purchase of keys, since they don't get a cut of Steam Marketplace transactions and crates can't be directly generated for purchase for money.

If that one box didn't require a key to open, would Polygon still be calling it gambling?
 

Evan

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Yeah, the drop rates are insane. Who honestly would spend money on a key with such low percentages (I mean, I know they exist and all, but geez)?
 

SteveWinwood

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I mean the only weird thing is the limit per week on crates. But if you think getting rid of that will lower the value of some of the rarer items boy I have some dota items to show you.

I really don't see anything wrong with this.
 

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I feel like Valve should get more flak for sorta turning a blind eye to those websites that launder Steam items for real cash.

Yeah they cracked down on that CS:GO Lottery Group but these laundering sites use the Steam API in some way right?

I totally get wanting to trade items and bet items during tournaments... but turning it into straight cash?

Sure if a real money route ceased to exist, people would still cheat and grind for SteamBucks, but at least that's all within Steam.
 

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Vennt

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Meh, utterly useless in-game cosmetics that you can show off for a maximum of 60 seconds pre-match.

Anyone spending even one penny on that shit deserves ridicule beyond measure.
 
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Maybe don't post a comment about something if you really don't know what you're talking about.,..

Think he's referencing the trend of $60 dollar games introducing loot boxes

Don't personally mind the PUBG crates, since its all cosmetic, but a lotta people are moving towards the "zero tolerance" side of the loot box argument with how dirty some games are getting.

I'd contend PUBG isn't that dirty, but with how greedy companies have gotten, it may just be better to tear the system out of gaming in its entirety.
 

Fantastical

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Haha no one understands the first reply.

The entry fee up front is the price of the game.
 

Richietto

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Great, another free-to-play game asking for an entry fee up-front.
Lmao people don't comprehend what you said at all.

Its bullshit they are adding this stuff in. Still selling like wildfire but gotta have microtransaction bullshit. Waited till right after 1.0, too. Also don't they get a cut of profits from marketplace items? Their logic on the limit of crates benefits them more than anything.
 

jtb

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I'd feel much more strongly about this if I wasn't so baffled by how there's even a market for this stupid shit in the first place.

But I guess that's the whole point of gambling. It's irrational behavior.
 

zychi

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I sold my twitch shit for pubg and made $46. Covered my entire steam sale purchases.

I might need to play more pubg
 

CountAntonio

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It's also like the stock market. I bought a bunch of crates for 1.50 and later sold them all for 9 dollars each.

Regulation is coming sooner or later by whom and to what end is the question.
 

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I see nothing wrong with this. Its the same with cs go back when you could bet skins on tournaments. I liked doing that. We cant do that anymore because of "think of the children".

Put the stamp of gambling on the box and thats it. Parents keep buying kids these games its not the developers problem. Say its gambling and its solved. Dont like it dont support it. Ill make my money for buying more games on steam.
 

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Metal Slugger

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It is. It will likely become the most important game this gen. Crates and all.

i really don

It's also like the stock market. I bought a bunch of crates for 1.50 and later sold them all for 9 dollars each.

Regulation is coming sooner or later by whom and to what end is the question.

oh i get it now, GOTY can also mean "it was so scummy and broken that laws had to be passed/enforced to prevent it from ever happening again" instead of just quality, got it
 

RecRoulette

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To get the ultra rare item, PUBG players will be forced to kill each other until only one remains. PUBG will become Battle Royale, and the circle will be complete.

It's also like the stock market. I bought a bunch of crates for 1.50 and later sold them all for 9 dollars each.

Regulation is coming sooner or later by whom and to what end is the question.

So I should get into the new box market? Is this the new crypto?
 
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Didn't the devs also get some flak as they first said monetization will come after it was out of early access? Guess they couldn't help themselves go earlier.