Looks like it.Wasn't Twitter banning people for using the term TERF? I still don't understand how it's a slur.
https://jezebel.com/teen-vogue-contributor-permanently-suspended-from-twitt-1827393516
Looks like it.Wasn't Twitter banning people for using the term TERF? I still don't understand how it's a slur.
well I doubt TERFS were voting for djt.
What is going on in the UK that so much TERF bullshit comes from there? Sickening.
lol
All I'll say on this topic is that I personally believe this TERF's vs Trans shit is a perfect example of the left wing community dividing itself and infighting amongst themselves while the right attack united.
You're all on the same side. (mostly)
I will get crucified for this but I think there actually is a "both sides" contingent to this that is actually relevant, unlike the both sides arguments of e.g. Charlottesville.
There is a massive massive amount of grey area, nuance and honestly difficult conversations to be had in this area but we've now just ended up totally divided within the left wing with people taking sides and calling anybody that wishes to engage with these discussions TERFS. On the other side people like Graham Linehan that have decided to signal boost a side they think is worth listening to but doing it in a dividing, hamfisted and offensive way that generalises all trans people.
In my honest opinion when it comes to feminism men (Graham) need to move out of the way and let women talk (which I understand the irony of because I a cis man am also weighing in).
This a discussion that needs to be had between Feminist Trans Women and Feminist Cis Women in a way that doesn't involve shouting from across the aisle on twitter because it just lets right wingers run amok.
I genuinely hope I don't get banned for this comment but if I do, it's not meant with malice, I support all women and I genuinely think there is a middle ground here.
TERFs getting mad about TERF being a slur is the most hilarious thing
It is an accurate description, maybe if it upsets you stop being a terf
All I'll say on this topic is that I personally believe this TERF's vs Trans shit is a perfect example of the left wing community dividing itself and infighting amongst themselves while the right attack united.
You're all on the same side. (mostly)
I will get crucified for this but I think there actually is a "both sides" contingent to this that is actually relevant, unlike the both sides arguments of e.g. Charlottesville.
There is a massive massive amount of grey area, nuance and honestly difficult conversations to be had in this area but we've now just ended up totally divided within the left wing with people taking sides and calling anybody that wishes to engage with these discussions TERFS. On the other side people like Graham Linehan that have decided to signal boost a side they think is worth listening to but doing it in a dividing, hamfisted and offensive way that generalises all trans people.
In my honest opinion when it comes to feminism men (Graham) need to move out of the way and let women talk (which I understand the irony of because I a cis man am also weighing in).
This a discussion that needs to be had between Feminist Trans Women and Feminist Cis Women in a way that doesn't involve shouting from across the aisle on twitter because it just lets right wingers run amok.
I genuinely hope I don't get banned for this comment but if I do, it's not meant with malice, I support all women and I genuinely think there is a middle ground here.
Yeah and I think that if anybody does that it's unacceptable and they are being horrible, you should be left alone.They want to call me a man in a wig; I just want to be left alone. Fuck the middle.
Would be nice if they actually had one đź‘€They're so close to having a "are we the Baddies?" moment, lol.
I know you're trying to bring some good faith and naunce into the discussion, but a TERF literally does not believe trans women are women, and that the existence of trans women is harmful to the feminist movement and (cis) women as a whole. There's no middle ground to be had.All I'll say on this topic is that I personally believe this TERF's vs Trans shit is a perfect example of the left wing community dividing itself and infighting amongst themselves while the right attack united.
You're all on the same side. (mostly)
I will get crucified for this but I think there actually is a "both sides" contingent to this that is actually relevant, unlike the both sides arguments of e.g. Charlottesville.
There is a massive massive amount of grey area, nuance and honestly difficult conversations to be had in this area but we've now just ended up totally divided within the left wing with people taking sides and calling anybody that wishes to engage with these discussions TERFS. On the other side people like Graham Linehan that have decided to signal boost a side they think is worth listening to but doing it in a dividing, hamfisted and offensive way that generalises all trans people.
In my honest opinion when it comes to feminism men (Graham) need to move out of the way and let women talk (which I understand the irony of because I a cis man am also weighing in).
This a discussion that needs to be had between Feminist Trans Women and Feminist Cis Women in a way that doesn't involve shouting from across the aisle on twitter because it just lets right wingers run amok.
I genuinely hope I don't get banned for this comment but if I do, it's not meant with malice, I support all women and I genuinely think there is a middle ground here.
I must be doing trans wrong. I transitioned 4 1/2 years ago and have never once encountered a TERF online or irl. 🤔 Guess I can count myself lucky.
All I'll say on this topic is that I personally believe this TERF's vs Trans shit is a perfect example of the left wing community dividing itself and infighting amongst themselves while the right attack united.
You're all on the same side. (mostly)
I will get crucified for this but I think there actually is a "both sides" contingent to this that is actually relevant, unlike the both sides arguments of e.g. Charlottesville.
There is a massive massive amount of grey area, nuance and honestly difficult conversations to be had in this area but we've now just ended up totally divided within the left wing with people taking sides and calling anybody that wishes to engage with these discussions TERFS. On the other side people like Graham Linehan that have decided to signal boost a side they think is worth listening to but doing it in a dividing, hamfisted and offensive way that generalises all trans people.
In my honest opinion when it comes to feminism men (Graham) need to move out of the way and let women talk (which I understand the irony of because I a cis man am also weighing in).
This a discussion that needs to be had between Feminist Trans Women and Feminist Cis Women in a way that doesn't involve shouting from across the aisle on twitter because it just lets right wingers run amok.
I genuinely hope I don't get banned for this comment but if I do, it's not meant with malice, I support all women and I genuinely think there is a middle ground here.
All I'll say on this is that you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.All I'll say on this topic is that I personally believe this TERF's vs Trans shit is a perfect example of the left wing community dividing itself and infighting amongst themselves while the right attack united.
You're all on the same side. (mostly)
I will get crucified for this but I think there actually is a "both sides" contingent to this that is actually relevant, unlike the both sides arguments of e.g. Charlottesville.
There is a massive massive amount of grey area, nuance and honestly difficult conversations to be had in this area but we've now just ended up totally divided within the left wing with people taking sides and calling anybody that wishes to engage with these discussions TERFS. On the other side people like Graham Linehan that have decided to signal boost a side they think is worth listening to but doing it in a dividing, hamfisted and offensive way that generalises all trans people.
In my honest opinion when it comes to feminism men (Graham) need to move out of the way and let women talk (which I understand the irony of because I a cis man am also weighing in).
This a discussion that needs to be had between Feminist Trans Women and Feminist Cis Women in a way that doesn't involve shouting from across the aisle on twitter because it just lets right wingers run amok.
I genuinely hope I don't get banned for this comment but if I do, it's not meant with malice, I support all women and I genuinely think there is a middle ground here.
I genuinely hope I don't get banned for this comment but if I do, it's not meant with malice, I support all women and I genuinely think there is a middle ground here.
All I'll say on this is that you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.
It genuinely does not sound like you support trans women at all, and I didn't get even a hint that you do from your original postI genuinely hope I don't get banned for this comment but if I do, it's not meant with malice, I support all women
All I'll say on this topic is that I personally believe this TERF's vs Trans shit is a perfect example of the left wing community dividing itself and infighting amongst themselves while the right attack united.
This is like saying All Lives Matter to take attention away from cops shooting black people.I genuinely hope I don't get banned for this comment but if I do, it's not meant with malice, I support all women and I genuinely think there is a middle ground here.
But is this actually the case? Have you taken a look in who these people associate with? Oddly, they tend to support other right-wing causes too. They also tend to associate with alt-right leaders. Weird, for such "leftists".
A lot of terfs are *not* left. They pose as it, sometimes they even give their groups feminist-sounding names, but if you look at their actions, you see a pattern. One of bad faith.
There is a huge risk at just acting like all the trans hate is a product of the right wing...
We dont see many trans men in media for some reason. I imagine there would be plenty of threatened cis males acting shitty if we saw more succesful transmen in the forefront.I've noticed as a gay man.... there's no terf type thing on the other side - I've never seen/heard of gay men getting up in arms or trying to mobilize some stupid movement against trans guys. Terfs are stomach turning.
transmen are too hot to be seen on film. melts hard drives, we must go back to tapesWe dont see many trans men in media for some reason. I imagine there would be plenty of threatened cis males acting shitty if we saw more succesful transmen in the forefront.
all some of then need is an excuse to feel a threat, then they'll act out. but since they're cowards, I actually think they would think twice about coming after transmen.We dont see many trans men in media for some reason. I imagine there would be plenty of threatened cis males acting shitty if we saw more succesful transmen in the forefront.
Gay trans men tend to have a rough time. There doesn't seem to be much talk about it anywhere besides the odd blog post here and there. I think the media is still focused on trans women because we're not at the point of full acceptance of them and TERFs are making it their life's work to disavow them.We dont see many trans men in media for some reason. I imagine there would be plenty of threatened cis males acting shitty if we saw more succesful transmen in the forefront.
We dont see many trans men in media for some reason. I imagine there would be plenty of threatened cis males acting shitty if we saw more succesful transmen in the forefront.
Not as easy for the media to sexualize trans men vs trans women is why.We dont see many trans men in media for some reason. I imagine there would be plenty of threatened cis males acting shitty if we saw more succesful transmen in the forefront.
The way I see it is that these terf types see trans women as a threat to their existence as in they think trans women are men trying to invade their space so to speak, were as cis men don't seem to feel threatened by trans men at the moment that is, plus they maybe genuinely less trans men than trans women hence the lack of hatred towards them compared with the huge amount of abuse that trans women receive.I've noticed as a gay man.... there's no terf type thing on the other side - I've never seen/heard of gay men getting up in arms or trying to mobilize some stupid movement against trans guys. Terfs are stomach turning.
But is this actually the case? Have you taken a look in who these people associate with? Oddly, they tend to support other right-wing causes too. They also tend to associate with alt-right leaders. Weird, for such "leftists".
A lot of terfs are *not* left. They pose as it, sometimes they even give their groups feminist-sounding names, but if you look at their actions, you see a pattern. One of bad faith.
Err, a good chunk of Terfs not only proudly did so, Terfs also tried to undermine and sabotage the irish vote on abortion while posing as feminists, and have sabotages at least one pride event in britain.
Note what happened here. The site died, was grabbed up by new people, who got a new staff...and *suddenly* the transphobia appears. This isn't a coincidence, and we've seen it in other places too.
oooh I thought TERFs were like exclusively on the left (US left) because they are "feminists"
I seriously don't get this, how does a transperson identify in such a scenario they're arguing?This is straight up right out of the Right-Wing Playbook , use a member of the community to say the truly hateful shit.
I need to save and use this in the future because it's the illusionary crux of every centrist argument. They claim that a middle should be reached by people who just want to exist as equal humans and those that literally want them destroyed but are too ignorant or disingenuine to define what that "middle" looks like. Like Llyranor mentioned above: minorities aren't up for only being considered half-human or being 50% equal to placate bigots. So the middle ground doesn't and cannot exist. I just wish more of these "both sides" types realized that there is such a thing as fundamentally opposed ideologies. There is such a thing as "politics" that literally cannot mix.If you think there's merit to the TERF perspective or some kind of "middle" then you can just simply argue it, rather than put the onus on the targets of TERF harassment to extend an olive branch while keeping your hands clean.