Pornstar August Ames commits suicide after harassment

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Lackless

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I struggle with depression for some time now. Seeing people here and on twitter passing judgement if she was or wasn't homophobic makes me sick. I can't relate with her profession, but I can empathize with her as an human being. It's a shame to realize that at least in the court of the internet, people sometimes fail to realize that. I'm the first to call out people that do vile acts, that abuse people sexually and emotionally. The way I see it, even after this girl, THIS 23 YEAR OLD KID, passing some people here and on social media still haven't understand one important thing:

All these people that work in porn are victims. All of them. The legislation in the US is incredibly sketchy. Please, people. Learn to empathize. I don't think any of us here can truly grasp the life that these people lead. If you can't grasp that, maybe you should understand that passing judgement if she was homophobic or not is flat out and incredibly wrong. It was wrong when she was alive, it's wrong now that she isn't. People that work in the porn industry probably have a better understanding of how this works among them. It's not fair with someone that works in the porn industry - either her or literally any other person - to have to go through the social media scrutiny of things that we clearly don't have a grasp on as well as they do. It seems to me that what she did by posting on twitter that her would-be partner on that scene worked in bi-male scenes was done in good faith. I don't see homophobia there at all. What I see is one hell lot of fast and incessant judgement of the internet court from someone that literally just killed herself because of this very thing. Can we as a society, at least for one moment, to step back and think where all went wrong? The rules of "our" world unfortunately don't apply to people that work in the porn has the dice loaded against them. They pass each other information because it's a messed up industry. Can we at least stop and think that one person took her life because she felt misunderstood? "Oh but her words were homophobic". Were they? If she didn't intended to, what is to gain proving that she was? If she didn't intended so hard that was enough to trigger her depression and she ending up taking her own life, what do you all will win proving that you are right? What do you win? She is already dead. She disagreed that was homophobic. She felt misunderstood. Can you relate to that? Can you empathize with that feeling? Because I can.

Please, fam. I hold this place to the highest regards. I know how cliche it sounds, but literally any person that crosses our path is facing a personal battle that we can't possibly imagine. Take a step back and think. One girl, ONE KID, lost her life because she felt misunderstood. Was it worth it? Is it worth it to keep dancing along the line victim blaming? Because I don't think it is. Let's reserve our rightful anger to the cases that are actually deserved. Someone innocent died feeling misunderstood. And this goes beyond her depression. Let's at least give her that. Let's give her understanding. Let's give her forgiveness. Let's give her empathy.

Rest in peace, kid.
Powerful post. Thank you.

RIP August.
 

Hammee

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Horrible. Guy that dated her and is in the porn business posted pretty often on another forum I'm on.
 

Megatherium

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That's not why I'm saying that. You literally posted a quote of someone else when addressing me to make it seem that I said something I did not say. When I called you out on this multiple times you refused to change it. I've dealt with plenty of people arguing in bad faith here and on GAF, but that was honestly the single most dishonest thing I'd seen on either forum.
All you do in seemingly any debate is cry disengenuous or bad faith or straw man, etc. it would be great if you stop.
 

Kaizer

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Oh man, that's terrible. How horrible to hear, had no idea she was depressed but I'd her rumors of her having serious self-esteem issues. Very sad, RIP.
 

TinfoilHatsROn

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Well, it's obvious to me. Yes she can choose not to sleep with this bi-male, but then why tweet this: https://mobile.twitter.com/AugustAmesxxx/status/937422512077471744
Honestly this is what pushed me to consider if what was originally said was homophobic, after researching a bit on my own. Choosing who to have sex with is completely fine in my opinion, but to make a passing snipe at your fellow coworkers? Why? The woman who chose to have sex with the bisexual man didn't deserve that at all, nor did the man. It's such a put down in an industry that should be about pushing up...

I think there is nuance in her original tweet about her decision, there is discussion to be had there. But, shaming the actors in that particular scene and, ironically, claiming moral/intellectual superiority rubs me the wrong way.

That said does she deserve the harassment and pain from the death threats? Of course not.
I'm not disagreeing, and I'm broadly sympathetic. But I don't think it reflects poorly on me to call them out for something without that context, and especially after politely asking her to amend her behavior multiple times.



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I figured I shouldn't have gotten involved in this thread. Oh well.
That had nothing to do with this thread. If ketkat was being disingenuous from the conversation you would be justified. I guess you shouldn't have.
See, these are the kinds of thoughtful and nuanced posts that Twitter doesn’t allow. I find reading these posts to be insightful and informative whereas reading Twitter just makes me angry. We need to realize Twitter is not the best platform for political activism and the discussion of complex ideas.
This is the post I 100% agree with. Well said SuperBonk. Twitter is just not the appropriate forum for heavy conversations.
 

TheBeardedOne

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She looks familiar. Did she appear in Playboy or on some reality TV show? I don't watch porn, so I don't know her by name.

That's sad. May she rest in peace. Bullying of any form sucks.

As someone who's been bullied before, and who lives with depression, I get why she did it. It didn't need to happen, though.
 

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I'm really troubled by her suicide, I condemn the bullying, and wish she hadn't done it, but also I can't help but notice this part of her tweet...

, i don’t know what they do in their private lives.”
This quote from her is troubling to me as a bi man because it insinuates and propagates the stereotype that being gay/bi = more promiscuous and more STDs, which is even more bizarre considering she was a porn actress working with other porn actors, whom I assume are all tested regularly, are probably on PreP, etc.

She obviously has the right to turn down whoever she wants and work with who she wants, but her revelation of that thought tells me she also had some unfair assumptions about gay/bi actors to begin with.

Not that it matters anymore unfortunately. RIP. I hope her family finds comfort.
 
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Cocaloch

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That had nothing to do with this thread. If ketkat was being disingenuous from the conversation you would be justified. I guess you shouldn't have.
I feel like we're allowed to have perceptions of people carry over, and someone did that four posts above you towards me. I won't harp on it now because the context changed at the bottom of the last page, but that poster did something I found to be totally unacceptable. That will color my interpretation of someone, and I don't think that's at all unreasonable.

All you do in seemingly any debate is cry disengenuous or bad faith or straw man, etc. it would be great if you stop.
Why don't you look through my post history and see if that is true. I call out bad posts as I see them, but I also try to engage in good faith arguments. You also kept saying that I made statements that I never made. When I asked you to point to them multiple times you never did so. Why would you refuse to do that if I wasn't on to something there? As far as I'm concerned there's no harm in calling out disingenuous, bad faith, or strawman arguments if the assertion is reasonable. Regardless of if you agree that it's true, surely you can accept that ignoring most of my posts, especially the bits where I ask you to point to statements you claimed I made, could reasonably be interpreted as disingenuous.
 
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ZattMurdock

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I wasn't planning to post here other than my previous post, but I just wanna point out something to those that keep bringing this kid's "CRIME" that some seem so adamant to prove, this is the tweet that started her online lynch mob:


THIS IS THE TWEET THAT FOLLOWS:


Now, step back and think: is it worth it? When we will start believing people and you know, not being so ruthless to each other? SHE SAID SHE WAS SORRY. It should have ended there. All people that were "discussing" this should have read that post and this should have ended there. I'm not a moderator here so I don't have a say on what people discuss here or not, but step back and think. IS IT WORTH IT? She said she is sorry. She's dead. What is there to discuss?
 
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Lackless

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She looks familiar. Did she appear in Playboy or on some reality TV show? I don't watch porn, so I don't know her by name.
Don't think she did other films/work besides porn. I won't post it of course but there are a few gifs that are quite popular that star her. You don't have to follow porn to see some of them floating around in reddit and other forums. That's honestly where you probably recognize her.
 

aliengmr

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You quoted me and said I don't care about it. I don't see how that isn't about me, but okay. But, sure, keep comparing me to a movement like GG. That's okay. Not disgusting in any way.
Why is it disgusting to point out that your justifications are the same as theirs? I'm just offering criticism.

Now let's imagine a hundred posters doing exactly what I am doing and see how long it take before you think it's harassment.
 

Roy

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Terrible.

RIP

I knew there was something not quite right when she got those overdone lip injections
 

TheHolyTurnip

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Childish reply. Acknowledge the content or just don't bother. I really don't care to engage with anyone blowing my words out of proportion or placing them into the context that they want to push. I was responding that her homophobic remarks wasn't just her talking about her personal preference, and your response doesn't even acknowledge that. Deflection.
And your post tries to blame the victim for her harassers behavior by showing she had some slightly interesting views on the porn industry even though those concerns are at least somewhat founded by statistics that have been shown this thread.
Be that as it may, I have a feeling we'll just have to agree to disagree on the bearing that her other posts may have had on her suicide after being harassed.
 

Ketkat

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Why is it disgusting to point out that your justifications are the same as theirs? I'm just offering criticism.

Now let's imagine a hundred posters doing exactly what I am doing and see how long it take before you think it's harassment.
K. So if I die at any point in the near future, do you think people should be allowed to say you killed me?

I feel like we're allowed to have perceptions of people carry over, and someone did that four posts above you towards me. I won't harp on it now because the context changed at the bottom of the last page, but that poster did something I found to be totally unacceptable. That will color my interpretation of someone, and I don't think that's at all unreasonable.
Somehow I don't care about my reputation on this forum. It won't really matter in the end, but there's no reason to try and derail the conversation by making this about me when its not in any way.
 

SolidSnakex

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So what type of rules does Twitter have in place when it comes to bullying/harassing? Because it seems like they should be doing something to that male pornstar that told her to apologize or swallow a cyanide pill.
 

rhn94

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what is bothering me about this whole thing how most people on twitter seem to be reacting a porn star passing away. People talking about busting nuts, rubbing one out or how they would explain to their mom/girlfriend who this person is.

Seems like since she was a pornstar no one values her as a person.
saddest part
 

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I'm seeing a lot of bickering between some people in here, and personal attacks. If you all can't calm it down and be civil to one another then I'll have to lock this thread.
 

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And your post tries to blame the victim for her harassers behavior by showing she had some slightly interesting views on the porn industry even though those concerns are at least somewhat founded by statistics that have been shown this thread.
I didn't blame August for her harrassers. I never said she deserved to die. Yet everyone in this thread keeps saying I did because I'm talking about the comments that were being made. She didn't just talk about the porn industry. She vague tweeted about a gay performer as if he was unsafe and the actress he was sleeping with was unintelligent for sleeping with him. Because "who knows what he does in his private life." You know because gay = AIDS.

On another note I find it extremely ironic that so many of you are preaching about criticism turning into harrassment and saying that cyber bullying is awful yet for talking about her comments (which a mod said was okay) I've been told to:

Feel guilty for her death.

Feel responsible for her death.

Told that I'm "soft"

And I've had my words twisted multiple times, even after clarifying over and over again. If you guys truly believe the stuff that you're preaching, act on it. Don't just talk about it when someone's actually dead. The things I've been told in this thread have been borderline disgusting and hurtful. Like, really not cool.
 

KojiKnight

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So here's a strange question I have to ask... did we ever get confirmation that the bullying led to this?

I'm in NO WAY trying to downplay the awful behavior of people on Twitter... but I'm going through her twitter right now and it just seems completely normal. Obviously there is a lot of frustration about having to defend herself... at the same time...

For example... It was being passed around that 'fuck y'all" was her last tweet. But it was the much less inflammatory...


And just before both of those...


Let me again repeat myself, I'm in NO WAY BELITTLING WHAT HAPPENED OR HOW PEOPLE TREATED HER. It just feels very unlikely that this is as simple as people are making it out to be. Twitter abuse over 2 days just feels pretty unlikely to me to be the reason she'd have committed suicide.


Yes we should be having the conversation on whether what she said could be homophobic.

Yes we should also be having the conversation about Twitter and how it can be used as a weapon to target people by a group of people as a form of mob justice.

BUT I think we should also be careful we aren't muddying the waters here, in turn turning this forum into ANOTHER form of mob justice on top of it.

August seems to have been deeply troubled and had a few warning signs, including other messages on Twitter that seem to have been mostly ignored as well. Those too are things we should be discussing. There are a LOT of reasons why this young woman chose what she did, and ALL of them should be looked at in hopes of finding ways to help others at risk.
 

Squarehard

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Now, step back and think: is it worth it? When we will start believing people and you know, not being so ruthless to each other? SHE SAID SHE WAS SORRY. It should have ended there. All people that were "discussing" this should have read that post and this should have ended there. I'm not a moderator here so I don't a say on what people discuss here or not, but step back and think. IS IT WORTH IT? She said she is sorry. She's dead. What is there to discuss?
I think it's admirable you're making the effort to move passed this topic, but I also don't feel that we should just stop talking about these specific issues, as long as it's in a constructive, and respectful manner.

I do feel what does need to happen as you've mentioned is that if people do want to discuss some of these topics, to stop shaming the victim, stop trying to legitimize the tragedy, or anything else that can be seen as trying to point a finger to something that should not be a focus of discussion. While I personally have only seen a few of these, I do feel that many of these conversations have been tip toeing too close to being over the line.

People need to stop tying the tragedy of this incident, to justify their points of their arguments. These two have nothing to do with each other, so those who do want to continue discussing just needs to understand that, and refocus to steer the conversation to what it needs to be.

In the end, it's about treating each other's opinions respectfully, and I feel if we can work towards this, it shouldn't be a problem to discuss some of the other underlying tones and topics in this thread.
 

norm9

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I think what's worthy of discussion is that there are people out there that live on the internet and joined at the hip to social media. It's unhealthy, puts the tunnelvision on the wrong things, and leads to depression and suicide. I know the answer is to unplug and turn off your phone or whatever, but for some reason, some people literally can not. For myself in regards to the internet, I can take it or leave it, but younger people can not and will not, regardless of the toll on their health and well being.
 

Sanox

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Absolutely awful story.

And as if the harassment itself wasn't bad enough, she was accused of something and harassed for it despite apologizing right after the tweet.

A woman was driven to suicide over nothing.
 

Driggonny

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Can we please stop equating calling out homophobia with harassment.

She clearly got harassed and no one at this point is saying that’s a good thing. Doesn’t mean people shouldn’t have called her out in the first place.
 

ThatMeanScene

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Oh, this is absolutely awful. Whether she offended people or not, she didn’t deserve so much harassment that it drove her to kill herself. May she Rest In Peace.
 

ZattMurdock

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I think it's admirable you're making the effort to move passed this topic, but I also don't feel that we should just stop talking about these specific issues, as long as it's in a constructive, and respectful manner.

I do feel what does need to happen as you've mentioned is that if people do want to discuss some of these topics, to stop shaming the victim, stop trying to legitimize the tragedy, or anything else that can be seen as trying to point a finger to something that should not be a focus of discussion. While I personally have only seen a few of these, I do feel that many of these conversations have been tip toeing too close to being over the line.

People need to stop tying the tragedy of this incident, to justify their points of their arguments. These two have nothing to do with each other, so those who do want to continue discussing just needs to understand that, and refocus to steer the conversation to what it needs to be.

In the end, it's about treating each other's opinions respectfully, and I feel if we can work towards this, it shouldn't be a problem to discuss some of the other underlying tones and topics in this thread.

My understanding is that context is key and it's getting lost in the discussion. I don't think that the rules for us "regular people" apply to those working in the sex industry. They don't have a sex life like we ordinary people do, regardless the sexual orientation, and there's probably lots of horror stories about similar situations that made she react like that. It's probably not something that she's the only one to avoid.

I think all of us need to learn to empathize and put ourselves on other people's shoes and think what would you do if you heard stories about people getting sick because of how shady and dangerous this industry is. And since we all know for years that they aren't as safe as the porn industry would like people to think, do we know if this kid didn't caught air on something else to imply what she said? How can we take her position on that specific occasion and apply to everything else? She clearly thought she was doing a public service, warning her colleagues about a practice that probably wasn't disclosed to her. Was she wrong? How can we know? What if she heard something and passed the hint along because that's what these people do among them? Isn't selfish of us to think that her position on a specific occasion or how she worded something means that she was or her words were homophobic? Are we in the right in judging people like this, so fast and so quickly? Because I don't think so. We need to learn to be less selfish and less judgemental. This needs to be a cautionary tale so we can do better, not to keep making the same mistakes. What she said and the consequences of she faced are already enough. If she felt wronged, who are us to tell her she was in the wrong? If someone is so adamantly gutted for feeling misunderstood, who are us to say that she was being homophobic? We need to learn from this, but not by dissecting what she said. That's just gross, in my opinion.
 

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I didn't blame August for her harrassers. I never said she deserved to die. Yet everyone in this thread keeps saying I did because I'm talking about the comments that were being made. She didn't just talk about the porn industry. She vague tweeted about a gay performer as if he was unsafe and the actress he was sleeping with was unintelligent for sleeping with him. Because "who knows what he does in his private life." You know because gay = AIDS.

On another note I find it extremely ironic that so many of you are preaching about criticism turning into harrassment and saying that cyber bullying is awful yet for talking about her comments (which a mod said was okay) I've been told to:

Feel guilty for her death.

Feel responsible for her death.

Told that I'm "soft"

And I've had my words twisted multiple times, even after clarifying over and over again. If you guys truly believe the stuff that you're preaching, act on it. Don't just talk about it when someone's actually dead. The things I've been told in this thread have been borderline disgusting and hurtful. Like, really not cool.
Oh hey, I'm not trying to blame you for someone death or say it's your fault or anything like that, I just felt that your post was insinuating she was asking for it or that it somehow legitimized the people coming after her. I'm sorry if you took is as an attack on you, that's not what I was going for. There's a lot of disgusting stuff going both ways in this thread, if anything it's just an example of how easy it is to shit on other people through a screen.
I apologise if you feel like I'm adding to it, this all just hits a really sour note with me. No hard feelings, ok?
 

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Oh hey, I'm not trying to blame you for someone death or say it's your fault or anything like that, I just felt that your post was insinuating she was asking for it or that it somehow legitimized the people coming after her. I'm sorry if you took is as an attack on you, that's not what I was going for. There's a lot of disgusting stuff going both ways in this thread, if anything it's just an example of how easy it is to shit on other people through a screen.
I apologise if you feel like I'm adding to it, this all just hits a really sour note with me. No hard feelings, ok?
I didn't mean to direct all of that to you. The comment about the insinuation just set all of that off and I took the opportunity to address my personal feelings on how I've been talked to during this. No hard feelings.
 

Squarehard

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My understanding is that context is key and it's getting lost in the discussion. I don't think that the rules for us "regular people" apply to those working in the sex industry. They don't have a sex life like we ordinary people do, regardless the sexual orientation, and there's probably lots of horror stories about similar situations that made she react like that. It's probably not something that she's the only one to avoid.

I think all of us need to learn to empathize and put ourselves on other people's shoes and think what would you do if you heard stories about people getting sick because of how shady and dangerous this industry is. And since we all know for years that they aren't as safe as the porn industry would like people to think, do we know if this kid didn't caught air on something else to imply what she said? How can we take her position on that specific occasion and apply to everything else? She clearly thought she was doing a public service, warning her colleagues about a practice that probably wasn't disclosed to her. Was she wrong? How can we know? What if she heard something and passed the hint along because that's what these people do among them? Isn't selfish of us to think that her position on a specific occasion or how she worded something means that she was or her words were homophobic? Are we in the right in judging people like this, so fast and so quickly? Because I don't think so. We need to learn to be less selfish and less judgemental. This needs to be a cautionary tale so we can do better, not to keep making the same mistakes. What she said and the consequences of she faced are already enough. If she felt wronged, who are us to tell her she was in the wrong? If someone is so adamantly gutted for feeling misunderstood, who are us to say that she was being homophobic? We need to learn from this, but not by dissecting what she said. That's just gross, in my opinion.
To be perfectly honest, I feel you missed the point of my post.

If anything, I agree with you on these points, even though it seems like you're disagreeing with the content of my post.

My point was to focus on the topic, and not bring the victim into this discussion. As we all have our own opinions on the matter, there is no need to bring her into the discussion, as her tragedy doesn't have anything to do with the overarching issues that we can discuss. Harassment, the porn industry, homophobia; these are all topics that have come out of this terrible tragedy we can speak to without having to shame the victim, or use this tragedy to be a part of our discussion.

Again, I think we both agree on the same thing for the most part, but as far as providing meaningful discussion in the thread on these other topics, we're not on the same page, so if you still feel you disagree, please let me know so I can try to clarify the misunderstanding.
 

norm9

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Let me again repeat myself, I'm in NO WAY BELITTLING WHAT HAPPENED OR HOW PEOPLE TREATED HER. It just feels very unlikely that this is as simple as people are making it out to be. Twitter abuse over 2 days just feels pretty unlikely to me to be the reason she'd have committed suicide.
Friend of mine is slightly well known and about two years ago a facebook post of his was screencapped and taken out of context and posted on twitter where he was "dragged" for two days. This guy is a professional, been on stage, been on tv, but he was freaked out because it felt like it wouldn't ever stop.
 

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I don't consider her statements to be homophobic at all and the harassment she got for simply refusing to have sex with someone is disgusting. RIP to her.
 

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So a depressed Female pornstar who already joked about her suicide show her homophobia on Twitter. Gets called a bigot, then proceed to kill herself and blame "bullying". And now the same people who ignored her depression and joke about suicide are blaming others too ?

Meanwhile LGBT kids are killing themselves left and right, and they are angry about how the gay twitter community killed her but don't give a fuck and stay silent when people are saying all gays should be killed, that they deserved to be slaughtered in a nightclub, thrown in death camps ? Well no actually they call it "free speach" and call you a snowflake if you're upset about other people "having different views".


Homophobes playing the victims, can't take a fraction of what they throw at us all day everyday accros the world. And we are supposed to feel sad ? Yeah no. She is the only one to blame. And everyone in her entourage who saw her tweet joking about suicide and did nothing but liked her comment might as well share the blame with her.
 

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I think you can give a person whose life revolves around sex a bit of benefit of doubt. Overprotective of her body and made an irrational decision.
She wasn't just talking about her body. The comments she made about the gay performer and actress filming with him were unacceptable and ignited homophobia from her fans. ie the "aids infested dick" comment. When you're a female porn star, you have a lot of straight male fans, and berating someone for literally being gay is going to be pretty shitty. Any amount of digging could have told you who he was, and that could've sent a lot of shit his way if one of her fans decided to. What she said was not okay and people defending it because of CDC statistics is not okay.

What happened to her was not okay either. People telling her to kill herself was not okay.

I don't consider her statements to be homophobic at all and the harassment she got for simply refusing to have sex with someone is disgusting. RIP to her.
Oh come on, that isn't all that she "simply" said.
 

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So a depressed Female pornstar who already joked about her suicide show her homophobia on Twitter. Gets called a bigot, then proceed to kill herself and blame "bullying". And now the same people who ignored her depression and joke about suicide are blaming others too ?

Meanwhile LGBT kids are killing themselves left and right, and they are angry about how the gay twitter community killed her but don't give a fuck and stay silent when people are saying all gays should be killed, that they deserved to be slaughtered in a nightclub, thrown in death camps ? Well no actually they call it "free speach" and call you a snowflake if you're upset about other people "having different views".


Homophobes playing the victims, can't take a fraction of what they throw at us all day everyday accros the world. And we are supposed to feel sad ? Yeah no. She is the only one to blame. And everyone in her entourage who saw her tweet joking about suicide and did nothing but liked her comment might as well share the blame with her.
I'm not going to blame anybody who kills themself. She wasn't telling LGBT people to kill themselves, don't rope her in with those. Her comment was tone deaf and homophobic but in no way is she comparable to those people. So telling her to kill herself is not a "taste of her own medicine."
 

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My understanding is that context is key and it's getting lost in the discussion. I don't think that the rules for us "regular people" apply to those working in the sex industry. They don't have a sex life like we ordinary people do, regardless the sexual orientation, and there's probably lots of horror stories about similar situations that made she react like that. It's probably not something that she's the only one to avoid.

I think all of us need to learn to empathize and put ourselves on other people's shoes and think what would you do if you heard stories about people getting sick because of how shady and dangerous this industry is. And since we all know for years that they aren't as safe as the porn industry would like people to think, do we know if this kid didn't caught air on something else to imply what she said? How can we take her position on that specific occasion and apply to everything else? She clearly thought she was doing a public service, warning her colleagues about a practice that probably wasn't disclosed to her. Was she wrong? How can we know? What if she heard something and passed the hint along because that's what these people do among them? Isn't selfish of us to think that her position on a specific occasion or how she worded something means that she was or her words were homophobic? Are we in the right in judging people like this, so fast and so quickly? Because I don't think so. We need to learn to be less selfish and less judgemental. This needs to be a cautionary tale so we can do better, not to keep making the same mistakes. What she said and the consequences of she faced are already enough. If she felt wronged, who are us to tell her she was in the wrong? If someone is so adamantly gutted for feeling misunderstood, who are us to say that she was being homophobic? We need to learn from this, but not by dissecting what she said. That's just gross, in my opinion.
First off, and this is a little thing, I don't think it's right to call a 23 year old woman a kid. Yes, she was young, and yes, this is sad, but she was an adult woman capable of making her own decisions and calling her a child minimizes that.

Second of all, her statement is part of a larger discussion that the porn industry absolutely does need to have about how they discriminate against certain types of people based on assumptions that may not be born out by actual statistics. I think that makes it okay to talk about it, and even to engage her about it if done respectfully and in a rational manner. Unfortunately, this being the internet, there were a lot of people not willing to be rational or respectful about it.
 

Sanox

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“Over” protective?
I deliberately chose overprotective.... as she seemed to be too careful because of course a bi man does not sutomatically have an std because he slept with another man.

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She responded to that comment and said it is offensive what more do you want her to do in this case. People can’t control their fans
 
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Megatherium

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So a depressed Female pornstar who already joked about her suicide show her homophobia on Twitter. Gets called a bigot, then proceed to kill herself and blame "bullying". And now the same people who ignored her depression and joke about suicide are blaming others too ?

Meanwhile LGBT kids are killing themselves left and right, and they are angry about how the gay twitter community killed her but don't give a fuck and stay silent when people are saying all gays should be killed, that they deserved to be slaughtered in a nightclub, thrown in death camps ? Well no actually they call it "free speach" and call you a snowflake if you're upset about other people "having different views".


Homophobes playing the victims, can't take a fraction of what they throw at us all day everyday accros the world. And we are supposed to feel sad ? Yeah no. She is the only one to blame. And everyone in her entourage who saw her tweet joking about suicide and did nothing but liked her comment might as well share the blame with her.
This awful and not helpful. And to get here you are using LGBT suicides in a “whose suicide is more sad” contest and put sneer quotes around bullying.
 

CrankyJay

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I deliberately chose overpeotective.... as she seemed to be too careful because of course a bi man does not sutomatically have an std because he slept with another man.
The choice itself doesn’t matter so much as her description or characterization of it. She could have declined the role for that very reason but could have potentially avoided this if she kept the reason for the choice to herself.
 
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