Pornstar August Ames commits suicide after harassment
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Communities stigmatized for high HIV infection rates should stick together.
Sincerely, gay people, black people, sex workers, and recovering addicts.
I think it's important to consider the conflict between worry for one's safety and being respectful towards minorities. But this probably isn't the thread to do that.
It's possible to feel awful about her death and circumstances that lead to it and acknowledge that she said some frankly homophobic shit. There really isn't a way to argue against that. That doesn't make the way she was harrassed right, though. Good to see some folks this young woman's death as an excuse to jump on their "queer community is toxic" soapbox.
https://www.redcrossblood.org/donating-blood/lgbtq-donors
August Ames was being safe (same as the red cross). She did not lie about the increased risk. May she rest in peace.
Men who have sex with men are the ones who transmit the most STDs. This is due to Anal sex (the butt loves them viruses).
August Ames was being safe (same as the red cross). She did not lie about the increased risk. May she rest in peace.
I agree, but the vast majority of the usage of blacks in this thread is for GOTCHA attempts. There is very little sincere concern or dialogue involved. It isn't being brought up as a common ground.
Pretty amazing (and disgusting/sad) how this thread about a woman who was targeted by an online harassment campaign ended up killing herself is treated in comparison to anything GamerGate related. Completely miss the point of how dangerous online mobs are in favor of arguing if she was homophobic or not for another 20 pages, please.
Wow, fuck the assholes that harassed her, she had a valid concern but no the progress monsters wouldn't accept it.
The idea of not doing a scene with someone because of testing loopholes and concerns is not homophobic.
She was warning a co-worker and she made a point to not mention any names... even apologized for any offence caused.....There are also following tweets from other pornstars that state crossing over doesn't happen much "anymore" and that most of them don't do it because of the possible health implications
...but of course you're not too fussed any of that, you just wanna continue harping on about how you find her initial post homophobic.
Sad.
Just too much information currently flowing about at will, nobody really stops to think before they speak/type anymore because it's so simple to do so. Even this thread some stuff what makes no fucking sense on one Human being to the next level. We have been Given platforms to praise people what is nice and all but at the same time, we can slaughter them without thought or repercussion. There is very little Consequence online and that needs to change long-term.
Just too much information currently flowing about at will, nobody really stops to think before they speak/type anymore because it's so simple to do so. Even this thread some stuff what makes no fucking sense on one Human being to the next level. We have been Given platforms to praise people what is nice and all but at the same time, we can slaughter them without thought or repercussion. There is very little Consequence online and that needs to change long-term.
So, this young woman had been showing strong signs of depression, had expressed the desire to commit suicide and was in a line of work with inherent dangers that could have affected her mental health.
Where was her network of support? Family? Friends? She was 23 years old---which I guess could be considered 'adult' but gosh...I feel like all of this could have been avoided if someone was paying more attention.
Where was her network of support? Family? Friends? She was 23 years old---which I guess could be considered 'adult' but gosh...I feel like all of this could have been avoided if someone was paying more attention.
Yup shame it has to happen in this thread. Hopefully now that a few hours have passed since the thread went live some tempers have settled people can post their condolences. And have the conversations they want with out Bringing August into it.
Personally dont see what the problem was with her original tweets, she had a preference with who she does and doesnt do scenes with, which is her right, and there was a clear lack of communication on the part of the agent and was just giving a heads up to the performer replacing her incase she had a similar preference. Her tweets were blown out of proportion and she even apologized and criticized people who were making homophobic comments in response to her tweets. This whole situation is so tragic, for someone that young and quite successful in her field to feel that they have no choice but to take their own life is heartbreaking.
The toxic comments on social media is one of the reasons why I now avoid facebook and twitter, there should be stricter regulations and actual legal consequences for these individuals who harass people online.
The toxic comments on social media is one of the reasons why I now avoid facebook and twitter, there should be stricter regulations and actual legal consequences for these individuals who harass people online.
please don't use this tragedy as an excuse to go on one of your rants against libtards or whatever
It's such a complex situation that I really don't get why you or anyone else is treating it like it's a black and white thing. It's tiring watching people say things akin to "she deserves no sympathy" or "people on Twitter are directly responsible for her death".
1. It's sad she was putdown so much that she thought suicide was the only way out
2. It's sad she held dated views
3. It's sad that she wasn't able to seek help for her health issues
The first thing that strikes me is the complete lack of empathy in the comments, esp. after her last tweet.
99.9% of it from men who think they can judge her because of her line of business, most of them even taking her death as a joke. Twitter is all sorts of awful.
99.9% of it from men who think they can judge her because of her line of business, most of them even taking her death as a joke. Twitter is all sorts of awful.
NSFW Discussion Point (But very specific, and I feel, on point)
There still seems to be a lot of comments related to wondering why the comments can be received as being homophobic, and a lot of statistics being through out there about different rates that don't seem to be actually speaking to the problem, so I'll see if I can make more sense of them.
There have been a ton of people referencing the higher rates of HIV or STIs for men who are bi in the porn industry. However, connecting gay/bi actors to higher rates of HIV is because they're gay/bi, but it's because having anal sex have a significantly higher risk of contract HIV than vaginal sex. Now, I can't speak to the practices of the industry, and from the sound of the feedback it does seem that there is a problem that needs to be solved, but it's more to do with the method of transmission, rather than gender or sexual preference. If anal sex in the industry was the norm for both men, and women, then the rates of HIV will more likely be a bit more comparable from that standard. Again, there will still be a disparity because of unequal practices in place.
The reason why I, and some people may find the original comments a bit homophobic is because of the way the comment was phrased. As noted above, it's not a question of your sexual identity, but the practice that's being performed that has an inherent, and increased risk in transmission of HIV. That is not to say, I would be disingenuous to expect someone to use this specific reasoning to detail why they don't want to work with someone. It can be a misstatement, but also made with the right intentions, but it doesn't have to be only one or the other. I feel all of these statistics people are providing about gay/bi porn community are getting a bit mixed up, as it's not because of their sexual preference that makes it dangerous, it's the physical aspect of anal sex, and the increased risk of HIV transmission from this method that's what we should be talking more about, as this affects not just one part of the industry, but very much the straight porn industry as well. Even those who are doing straight porn are still at an inherently higher risk of contract HIV if they do anal sex. However, they have better methods in place from what's been posted in this thread, that will increase the chance of preventing that from spreading, but it certainly doesn't solve the problem as a whole neither.
I don't propose to know how to resolve this, but it certainly needs to be noted that in the end, it's not about being gay, it's about the type of sex that is being performed which has an inherent risk, and people need to know the difference. Yes, one industry will have an increased risk of this because it's the only way they can have sex, but it's not because of their sexual preference.
There have been a ton of people referencing the higher rates of HIV or STIs for men who are bi in the porn industry. However, connecting gay/bi actors to higher rates of HIV is because they're gay/bi, but it's because having anal sex have a significantly higher risk of contract HIV than vaginal sex. Now, I can't speak to the practices of the industry, and from the sound of the feedback it does seem that there is a problem that needs to be solved, but it's more to do with the method of transmission, rather than gender or sexual preference. If anal sex in the industry was the norm for both men, and women, then the rates of HIV will more likely be a bit more comparable from that standard. Again, there will still be a disparity because of unequal practices in place.
The reason why I, and some people may find the original comments a bit homophobic is because of the way the comment was phrased. As noted above, it's not a question of your sexual identity, but the practice that's being performed that has an inherent, and increased risk in transmission of HIV. That is not to say, I would be disingenuous to expect someone to use this specific reasoning to detail why they don't want to work with someone. It can be a misstatement, but also made with the right intentions, but it doesn't have to be only one or the other. I feel all of these statistics people are providing about gay/bi porn community are getting a bit mixed up, as it's not because of their sexual preference that makes it dangerous, it's the physical aspect of anal sex, and the increased risk of HIV transmission from this method that's what we should be talking more about, as this affects not just one part of the industry, but very much the straight porn industry as well. Even those who are doing straight porn are still at an inherently higher risk of contract HIV if they do anal sex. However, they have better methods in place from what's been posted in this thread, that will increase the chance of preventing that from spreading, but it certainly doesn't solve the problem as a whole neither.
I don't propose to know how to resolve this, but it certainly needs to be noted that in the end, it's not about being gay, it's about the type of sex that is being performed which has an inherent risk, and people need to know the difference. Yes, one industry will have an increased risk of this because it's the only way they can have sex, but it's not because of their sexual preference.
People also commit evil in the name of progressive causes?
User warned: your anti-leftist agenda is not the time or place in a thread about a dead person who suffered from harassment.
What annoys the FUCK out of me is how leftists ignore statistics because those numbers often go against their narrow minded narratives and over just hurts their feelings, as well as playing ignorant on how MSM sex is risky for HIV transmission.
Hell one of the first topics here and last ones on the old site was the decriminalization of purposes spreading HIV and assholes had the gall to say it was ok because having AIDs isn't a big deal anymore.
Yeah, I immediately went into his post history after seeing his little comment here.
That's about what I expected.
What she said being or not being homophobic is irrelevant to this situation entirely, but 15 pages of bickering about it while the majority of posters ignore or tip toe around a harassment campaign and mob mentality leading to a suicide because the side doing the harassment is on the "right side" of the issue is staggering. The past few days of threads have revealed to me that RE has a not insignificant issue regarding women when they say the "wrong thing". There's so much shit in this thread that would be considered victim blaming in any other thread that half the posters would have warnings or bans, but it's being ignored here because no one wants to face the implications or reality.
Not everyone copes with constant harassment that well. Even if only for a brief period of time, it may have been intense.
Can't you just...take a break from social media if it's having a deleterious effect?
Its almost as if mental illness affects your capacity for clear, rational thought
we aren't at a funeral. we are people on a message board discussing a news story about a woman we didn't know personally. we can have a discussion about whether or not her statements were problematic while also understanding that the important thing here is that she lost her life, and a lot of scumbags on twitter helped it happen. it's also odd that you are talking about victim blaming, when that's all you were doing in the pamela anderson thread.
acting like this has something to do with this forum having an issue with women is just preposterous.
I'm gonna repeat what someone said to me earlier and tell you I don't think this is the thread where your agenda belongs.
"Statistics" aren't some unimpeachable source of truth.
There are lots of reasons to think that statistics describing MSM in general would be different than statistics describing men who have sex with men professionally.
Statistics are one thing but here the dude wouldn't have been able to perform without a recent test. Why would anyone trust inference from a statistic over a test performed on a specific individual in question? You would have to think that his test is less likely than exclusively hetero performers' to be a false negative... do you have statistics to support that specific scenario?
Apparently she was prone to depression. She tweeted out a few months ago that the only reason she didn't kill herself was because she wanted to see the new Game of Thrones episode. Seems like this was the straw that broke the camel's back.
We shouldn't let people use her death to make homophobic comments in peace
This thread, the Angela Lansbury thread, and Pam Anderson threads have all happened in the last week. If you can read through those 3 threads and think there isn't an issue with women saying things they "aren't supposed to", you're crazy.
Something else that I haven't seen brought up yet is that as a porn performer, being on social media is kinda part of your job. Engaging fans is one of the most important things for you to do (specifically, the more fans you have that buy your movies/join sites for you, the more likely you are to get booked), and even beyond that networking for scenes very often happens on social media (either from producers tweeting that they need performers and getting responses, or from performers getting in contact with each other and deciding to shoot together). That makes it much harder to just "take a break" for any extended period of time.
Awww this post is really fucking me up.
At the same time, no one forced her to reveal a controversial opinion she had. Most porn actors' accounts are just retweets of scenes they're in and links to their Amazon wishlist.
The whole thing is sad. Regardless of her views (which I think are certainly hurtful to some), harassment isn't a reasonable reaction, and can drive people with existing mental issues over the edge easily.
I think you quoted the wrong person.
You might honestly be right though, but for what it's worth, this community has had threads about Bill Maher saying the "n-word" and stuff like that too.
Apologizing if you offended anyone is not an apology. And warning someone for that is 110% homophobic. And other porn stars were arguing with her too.
stop pretending like you care about victimized women. your post history makes it pretty obvious what you're about. your bullshit is easy to see through. top toeing about the franken stuff like he's being unfairly criticized, and then jumping to the defense of a couple women who said some shit that was forgivable but also very dumb. what's really going on is that pamela anderson and angela lansbury gave you an opportunity to pretend like you don't have a problem with women, because those statements were coming from women! they're a couple of the good ones, i guess.
If you think those threads would have gone over any better if a man had said them, you're crazy lol (besides the unneeded comments on appearances). Haven't seen the Angela Lansbury thread though.
I just got replied to that this way of thinking is an agenda, UGH
What am I obvious about? That thinking it's fucking gross that people do their BELIEVE WOMEN, THEIR VOICES ARE IMPORTANT spiel and then immediately turn on them the second they say anything that isn't approved or in line with what they think? The Pam Anderson thread was literally a thread doing nothing but attacking a rape victim and child sexual abuse victim as being a "victim blamer" for telling women to be aware of their surroundings and stay safe. And being a "victim blamer" was treated on the same level as actually doing the raping or sexual assaulting.
It's the obvious alt-right wording you use, in conjunction with your weird post about white people being "under attack".
Let's at least not pretend.
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