Pornstar August Ames commits suicide after harassment

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If your main take from this story involves the words homophobia or biphobia you need to reevaluate your life.

This was a young woman in a exploitative industry trying to exercise a semblance of control over her own body, and the main take is she was a bigot? Because she didn't want to be fucked by a particular guy? Never mind any health issues or risks that might be involved, are we policing the sexual choices of women now?

Fucking disgusting.
Not to mention people forgetting that there is a spectrum to all this , stereotypes are the lowest form of potentially phobic or "ist" actions that a person can take.

Equating the two as the same is the wrong take. Certainly wrong to harrass someone to their death for it.

Jenna Jameson is also an alt-right Trump/Milo supporter these days, so who cares what she thinks?
The alt-Right literally puts people in boxes so they can ignore their points of view and not feel bad about themselves soooo

maybe dont do the same shit?

 
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I'm not asking for random people who don't know anything to reach out and just know if someone is depressed. But there are people, like August who have reached out and got nothing. Those hotlines are also terrible resources. Their only goal is to prevent you from dying that very second. As for the bolded, don't' be surprised when people die because of that attitude.
Twitter is not a place to reach out, and people from the younger generation such as her are doing themselves a massive disservice by treating it as such. People are spending their entire lives on Twitter, Facebook, Tumblr and places like this where "support" is offered via a reply or a retweet, but when they actually need it they're lost because they have no idea where to turn to. If the extent of reaching out is tweeting a vague statement, they'll never get help. And if they're unwilling to reach out to actual resources and instead expect someone to read a tweet or reply and rush to their aid, this is going to keep happening. The internet is not a valid substitute for human interaction, and people need to understand that. In rare cases, yes, real-world help is offered via connections made online, but for the most part it's simply surface-level courtesy.

And, again, people will die because they expect society to care about them, but the sad fact is it doesn't. People have their own personal lives and issues going on, and most simply don't have the time or the resources to help other people outside of their own personal bubble.

If your main take from this story involves the words homophobia or biphobia you need to reevaluate your life.

This was a young woman in a exploitative industry trying to exercise a semblance of control over her own body, and the main take is she was a bigot? Because she didn't want to be fucked by a particular guy? Never mind any health issues or risks that might be involved, are we policing the sexual choices of women now?

Fucking disgusting.
For a place that really loves to defend peoples' "agency", there sure are a lot of people in this thread that are really upset by someone attempting to exercise their own.
 

Ketkat

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Twitter is not a place to reach out, and people from the younger generation such as her are doing themselves a massive disservice by treating it as such. People are spending their entire lives on Twitter, Facebook, Tumblr and places like this where "support" is offered via a reply or a retweet, but when they actually need it they're lost because they have no idea where to turn to. If the extent of reaching out is tweeting a vague statement, they'll never get help. And if they're unwilling to reach out to actual resources and instead expect someone to read a tweet or reply and rush to their aid, this is going to keep happening. The internet is not a valid substitute for human interaction, and people need to understand that. In rare cases, yes, real-world help is offered via connections made online, but for the most part it's simply surface-level courtesy.

And, again, people will die because they expect society to care about them, but the sad fact is it doesn't. People have their own personal lives and issues going on, and most simply don't have the time or the resources to help other people outside of their own personal bubble.
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This is just disgusting. Let's use me as an example. I have no one I can reach out to in real life, should I not reach out online in an attempt to get any help? Should I just go die because its impossible to get help on the Internet? Its hilarious that you say that people die because we expect someone to help us in the slightest, and not because they won't help. Fuck off
 
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For a place that really loves to defend peoples' "agency", there sure are a lot of people in this thread that are really upset by someone attempting to exercise their own.
Because those people ingrain themselves in this idea that their line of thinking is the only good and progressive way to think. That sometimes involves throwing out -phobia or bigot based on a series of tweets in which a woman with full agency of her body decided she did not want to have sex with a particular male because of personal concerns regarding her health. Why the fuck people think policing a woman's vagina is their prerogative is beyond me.
 

Cream

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Not to mention people forgetting that there is a spectrum to all this , stereotypes are the lowest form of potentially phobic or "ist" actions that a person can take.

Equating the two as the same is the wrong take. Certainly wrong to harrass someone to their death for it.



The alt-Right literally puts people in boxes so they can ignore their points of view and not feel bad about themselves soooo

maybe dont do the same shit?

Riley Reid, Kelsey Monroe and Michelle Obama could all slap me in the face and tell me it's not a homophobic comment and I would still disagree.

But alt-right people should still be dismissed regardless.

This thread has really run its course
 
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This is just disgusting. Let's use me as an example. I have no one I can reach out to in real life, should I not reach out online in an attempt to get any help? Should I just go die because its impossible to get help on the Internet? Its hilarious that you say that people die because we expect someone to help us in the slightest, and not because they won't help. Fuck off
I'm saying that if you think the internet is your only option, you're going to run into disappointment every time. I guarantee you you'll get better results if you call an actual help line, regardless of your low opinion of them. You'll still get a better result than you would posting on Twitter or on here. Sorry if you disagree, but a real person on the end of a line dedicated to emotional support is a better option 100% of the time than typing into the ether and hoping it reaches someone who cares.

You can call me disgusting and tell me to fuck off all you want, but the truth is that there's a world outside of the internet with actual resources dedicated to helping people that some people simply refuse to acknowledge or step out into. It can be scary and intimidating, but so is life.
 

Cream

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Because those people ingrain themselves in this idea that their line of thinking is the only good and progressive way to think. That sometimes involves throwing out -phobia or bigot based on a series of tweets in which a woman with full agency of her body decided she did not want to have sex with a particular male because of personal concerns regarding her health. Why the fuck people think policing a woman's vagina is their prerogative is beyond me.
Christ how many times does this have to be explained in this thread ? We are not "policing her vagina" ( Nice job yourself reducing her to her genitalia for no reason).

I'll Say it one last time for the people in the cheap seats. If this woman was alive she would be free to do with her body literally whatever she wants.

But expressing the view about not wanting to sleep with bi or gay people because of the rate of STDs is absolutely homophobic and biphobic.

Am I also "policing all the vaginas" of the people in this thread who are saying the exact same thing? They can do what they want! It's still homophobic and biphobic to say
 

Ketkat

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I'm saying that if you think the internet is your only option, you're going to run into disappointment every time. I guarantee you you'll get better results if you call an actual help line, regardless of your low opinion of them. You'll still get a better result than you would posting on Twitter or on here. Sorry if you disagree, but a real person on the end of a line dedicated to emotional support is a better option 100% of the time than typing into the ether and hoping it reaches someone who cares.

You can call me disgusting and tell me to fuck off all you want, but the truth is that there's a world outside of the internet with actual resources dedicated to helping people that some people simply refuse to acknowledge or step out into. It can be scary and intimidating, but so is life.
You cracked the code. People are suicidal because we refuse to get better. Seriously, go fuck yourself
 

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“NO MEANS NO. A woman can deny sex for ANY REASON, no one is entitled to her body!”

“Wow, August denied a man because he did gay scenes? That’s awfully homophobic, she’s kind of at fault here tbh...”
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Riley Reid, Kelsey Monroe and Michelle Obama could all slap me in the face and tell me it's not a homophobic comment and I would still disagree.

But alt-right people should still be dismissed regardless.

This thread has really run its course
Toxic ideas never hold up under scrutiny because they're predicated on flawed logic and hypocrisy. Which you seem to be railing real hard on in this thread. At some point you gotta realize that hypocrisy is people's natural states and you have to skirt around it with some solid reasoning. Your attitude is precisely the reason why toxic ideas are created. It comes from self-justified emotion than any solid or rational logic. There is little point in contributing to the state of the climate like so. Flawed biology must be recognized for what it is as it leads to all sorts of bad ideas in the human mind.

It's an unbalanced way to be, we must find some real equilibrium in the mean.

Christ how many times does this have to be explained in this thread ? We are not "policing her vagina" ( Nice job yourself reducing her to her genitalia for no reason).

I'll Say it one last time for the people in the cheap seats. If this woman was alive she would be free to do with her body literally whatever she wants.

But expressing the view about not wanting to sleep with bi or gay people because of the rate of STDs is absolutely homophobic and biphobic.

Am I also "policing all the vaginas" of the people in this thread who are saying the exact same thing? They can do what they want! It's still homophobic and biphobic to say
SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT ONE PERSON. LITERALLY ONE.
 
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Christ how many times does this have to be explained in this thread ? We are not "policing her vagina" ( Nice job yourself reducing her to her genitalia for no reason).

I'll Say it one last time for the people in the cheap seats. If this woman was alive she would be free to do with her body literally whatever she wants.

But expressing the view about not wanting to sleep with bi or gay people because of the rate of STDs is absolutely homophobic and biphobic.

Am I also "policing all the vaginas" of the people in this thread who are saying the exact same thing? They can do what they want! It's still homophobic and biphobic to say
How tall you must feel on that pedestal of yours. Your response is not a definitive answer to the issue at hand, as much as you want to shout that it is.

Decisions based on sexual preferences, regardless of reasoning should not be construed or used to define someone as homophobic/biphobic/etc. You take a series of tweets (nice job yourself reducing her decision-making to 280 characters) and decide to brand someone with an extremely vicious label and then have the audacity to tell-off anyone who thinks differently.
 

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We have to know why they won't sleep with say a certain race, or trans people, or bi people or whatever.... (other than sexual orientation of course that's self evident).

To be fair also in this case it was far more than just not doing it that got criticism....
I wouldn't sleep with a gay man or someone who was from the same sex as I was genetically. That goes against my sexual preference and what I believe in. If I was in the porno industry, I wouldn't sleep with other actors who had a higher chance of being infected with some type of disease either. Why is this so hard to understand? She wasn't attacking them for their sexual orientation, she was protecting herself from a higher probability of being infected.
 

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To clear the air a bit about my previous comments, I wasn't trying to say that people with mental illness can be reduced to just a problem. I do agree that just having someone to talk to can do a world of good, and that's not a lot to ask. More of us should be doing that. Really, that's just being a friend or good family member.

I just know that as a caregiver myself, illness (mental or otherwise) can be difficult for the people in your life as well, and if they're not doing what they should be sometimes it's because they've hit their limits. This is more a factor in cases of extreme illness, such a chronic clinical depression when the person in their life isn't even able to get out of bed. It gets hard all around.
 

El_Mau

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You cracked the code. People are suicidal because we refuse to get better. Seriously, go fuck yourself
I think his point is that if you suffer from drepesion then you need profesional help, it's like all those threads asking for a medical advice, the answer will always be "go see a doctor", the same with depresion, "go see a profesional".
 

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Christ how many times does this have to be explained in this thread ? We are not "policing her vagina" ( Nice job yourself reducing her to her genitalia for no reason).

I'll Say it one last time for the people in the cheap seats. If this woman was alive she would be free to do with her body literally whatever she wants.

But expressing the view about not wanting to sleep with bi or gay people because of the rate of STDs is absolutely homophobic and biphobic.

Am I also "policing all the vaginas" of the people in this thread who are saying the exact same thing? They can do what they want! It's still homophobic and biphobic to say
I don't feel like August Ames ever expressed the view that LGBT people overall have more STDs or anything of the sort. Her argument was about STD testing in the porn industry, in the context of the scene she refused to shoot. Not because the male performer had done gay scenes, so he must have a STD. Her argument was that since the testing is done differently in the straight and gay world of porn, she didn't feel secure at that time and refused to do the scene. And she brought up how producers sometimes don't disclose that info to the performers (potentially including the girl booked to replace her). Did she articulate that well? Absolutely not. Again she did do scenes with crossover performers (one of which went to bat for her on Twtter), and wasn't she a LGBT person herself?
 

Ketkat

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I think his point is that if you suffer from drepesion then you need profesional help, it's like all those threads asking for a medical advice, the answer will always be "go see a doctor", the same with depresion, "go see a profesional".
Wow, never thought of that! I guess those of us who can't go see a professional should just give up because those of you who aren't professionals just can't be bothered!
 

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Christ how many times does this have to be explained in this thread ? We are not "policing her vagina" ( Nice job yourself reducing her to her genitalia for no reason).

I'll Say it one last time for the people in the cheap seats. If this woman was alive she would be free to do with her body literally whatever she wants.

But expressing the view about not wanting to sleep with bi or gay people because of the rate of STDs is absolutely homophobic and biphobic.

Am I also "policing all the vaginas" of the people in this thread who are saying the exact same thing? They can do what they want! It's still homophobic and biphobic to say
Sex is risky.
The threat of unwanted pregnancy, STD's, and emotional side effects always loom as a possibility after sex. There are various ways to minimize risk, and it varies from person to person what they are comfortable with. I have high anxiety and fear the worst so I wouldn't ever have sex without a condom (unless i'm married). Some guys and gals are comfortable with the pull out method, some women take BC so they don't care etc.

According to HIV.gov, Gay and bisexual men, particularly young African American gay and bisexual men, are most affected with HIV. (source below)
Knowing this, and knowing everyone has their personal line they draw when it comes to risks, it is not unreasonable for a woman to be more comfortable having unprotected sex with a straight guy with a straight sex life than a gay man who leads a gay lifestyle with sex partners outside of the industry. Yes, everyone in the porn industry get regular tests, but these tests are not daily, and it can take weeks to months for an STD to show up in a test after being affected. I don't think she is homophobic, she is just mitigating risk and has her personal "risk" line drawn there.

https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/overview/data-and-trends/statistics
 

excelsiorlef

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I wouldn't sleep with a gay man or someone who was from the same sex as I was genetically. That goes against my sexual preference and what I believe in. If I was in the porno industry, I wouldn't sleep with other actors who had a higher chance of being infected with some type of disease either. Why is this so hard to understand? She wasn't attacking them for their sexual orientation, she was protecting herself from a higher probability of being infected.
I'm confused what's the difference between a gay man and someone who was from the same sex as you genetically? Aren't they both just men... why didn't you just say you wouldn't sleep with men?
 
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Norman, OK
But expressing the view about not wanting to sleep with bi or gay people because of the rate of STDs is absolutely homophobic and biphobic.
No, not bi or gay people: bi or gay male porn stars. There's an important distinction there. She's not talking about her personal sex life, she's talking about her work.

And whether or not I agree with you about her stance being homophobic or biphobic, I'm sure you would agree that it doesn't give people the right to publicly harass somebody to the point of suicide.
 

Cream

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How tall you must feel on that pedestal of yours. Your response is not a definitive answer to the issue at hand, as much as you want to shout that it is.

Decisions based on sexual preferences, regardless of reasoning should not be construed or used to define someone as homophobic/biphobic/etc. You take a series of tweets (nice job yourself reducing her decision-making to 280 characters) and decide to brand someone with an extremely vicious label and then have the audacity to tell-off anyone who thinks differently.
Please find me the exact quote where I say that I believe she was homophobic.

I'm pretty sure I said that her comment was homophobic and biphobic

I will say this again. Her COMMENT was homophobic and biphobic. That's it. I cannot make any judgments on her as a person whatsoever and I have never tried to do that.

I'm not on any pedestal and I don't think highly of myself in this scenario whatsoever. I just have a specific opinion about a comment that's being made and want to express it. But this idea that people fighting for social justices just think SOOOO highly of themselfs instead of the REALITY that I'm a bisexual who is extremely uncomfortable with the constant dismissal i experience from people because of it.

Am I not just as entitled to that opinion as she was to hers? How are you any better then any of the people who bullied her by what you're saying to me right now?
 

Chaparral

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This thread truly is terrible.

Is it not hard to feel bad for her committing suicide, but also realize what she is saying, while possibly true via statistics, reeks of homophobia?

And some of the biphobia on display in this thread is appalling.
 

JeTmAn

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Wow, never thought of that! I guess those of us who can't go see a professional should just give up because those of you who aren't professionals just can't be bothered!
I think talking to someone on the internet is better than nothing, at least if that person's actually supportive. But I wouldn't put it first on your list.

1. Professionals
2. Friends or family members in real life
3. People on the internet
 

excelsiorlef

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No, not bi or gay people: bi or gay male porn stars. There's an important distinction there. She's not talking about her personal sex life, she's talking about her work.

And whether or not I agree with you about her stance being homophobic or biphobic, I'm sure you would agree that it doesn't give people the right to publicly harass somebody to the point of suicide.
She flat out said something to the effect of I don't know what they do in their personal life... so not quite accurate to say she wasn't talking about their personal life.

And no one here that hasn't been warned or banned thinks she should have been harassed at all let alone to the point of suicide.
 

necrosis

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sad that she took her own life, but if you're going to express homophobic views -- especially on a platform like twitter -- i think "harassment" is to be expected somewhat
 

Ketkat

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I think talking to someone on the internet is better than nothing, at least if that person's actually supportive. But I wouldn't put it first on your list.

1. Professionals
2. Friends or family members in real life
3. People on the internet
Most people can't afford professionals, that's expensive. And in my case, and I'm sure others as well, friends and family members are a large part of the problem. And being told that I should essentially give up for daring to hope that people on the Internet might help in the slightest bit is bullshit.
 

Straight Edge

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I think talking to someone on the internet is better than nothing, at least if that person's actually supportive. But I wouldn't put it first on your list.

1. Professionals
2. Friends or family members in real life
3. People on the internet
Talking to people on the internet can possibly make this worse for a depressed person if they're not qualified to help.
 

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I don't feel like August Ames ever expressed the view that LGBT people overall have more STDs or anything of the sort. Her argument was about STD testing in the porn industry, in the context of the scene she refused to shoot. Not because the male performer had done gay scenes, so he must have a STD. Her argument was that since the testing is done differently in the straight and gay world of porn, she didn't feel secure at that time and refused to do the scene. And she brought up how producers sometimes don't disclose that info to the performers (potentially including the girl booked to replace her). Did she articulate that well? Absolutely not. Again she did do scenes with crossover performers (one of which went to bat for her on Twtter), and wasn't she a LGBT person herself?
Feels like everyone out to scream 'homophobe' at a dead confused child fails to realise that she was in the sex business and it seems pretty clear she wasn't being treated fairly regards co-star.

If you gonna take off your clothes and fuck for cash, some transparency is to be expected in the 'who am I fucking ' area.

Maybe they have different pay scale due to different risk factors. I don't know, but it's business and she sounded like she was upset about changing job requirements.

I have a hard time believing she's homophobic given how many times I've seen girls eat her out.
 

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I don't feel like August Ames ever expressed the view that LGBT people overall have more STDs or anything of the sort. Her argument was about STD testing in the porn industry, in the context of the scene she refused to shoot. Not because the male performer had done gay scenes, so he must have a STD. Her argument was that since the testing is done differently in the straight and gay world of porn, she didn't feel secure at that time and refused to do the scene. And she brought up how producers sometimes don't disclose that info to the performers (potentially including the girl booked to replace her). Did she articulate that well? Absolutely not. Again she did do scenes with crossover performers (one of which went to bat for her on Twtter), and wasn't she a LGBT person herself?
People also forget that she was upset about he agent not disclosing this, no at the bi-performer.
 

JeTmAn

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Most people can't afford professionals, that's expensive. And in my case, and I'm sure others as well, friends and family members are a large part of the problem. And being told that I should essentially give up for daring to hope that people on the Internet might help in the slightest bit is bullshit.
We're probably all in agreement that there should be a lot more public financial support for mental health issues. I'm assuming you're in the U.S. Looking at how bad we are at health care in general, it's probably going to be a while before things change for mental health as well. You're right that you shouldn't give up whatever options are left open to you, though I think caution will always be recommended when reaching out to strangers on the internet since there's such a low investment for most people in online relationships.
 
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Please find me the exact quote where I say that I believe she was homophobic.

I'm pretty sure I said that her comment was homophobic and biphobic

I will say this again. Her COMMENT was homophobic and biphobic. That's it. I cannot make any judgments on her as a person whatsoever and I have never tried to do that.

I'm not on any pedestal and I don't think highly of myself in this scenario whatsoever. I just have a specific opinion about a comment that's being made and want to express it. But this idea that people fighting for social justices just think SOOOO highly of themselfs instead of the REALITY that I'm a bisexual who is extremely uncomfortable with the constant dismissal i experience from people because of it.

Am I not just as entitled to that opinion as she was to hers? How are you any better then any of the people who bullied her by what you're saying to me right now?
I'm not bullying you. I'm replying to you in the same manner in which you replied to me; that is, insinuating I'm incompetent of understanding this situation and tossing out little passive-aggressive asides to make your point.

Please do not argue semantics with me regarding the wording of her comment and the intent of her comment. Her intent and wording, at its most basic level, was to express health concerns when performing with certain male performers due to historical medical data. Phobia indicates a dislike or prejudice against a group of people based on some social or biological category (race, sexual orientation, gender, etc.). The tweet itself was not an attempt to disparage gay or bisexual men. She has performed with them in the past, but expressed reservations in this scenario. Was the wording poor? Sure. Does it mean that her comment was intended to be phobic or bigoted in nature? No. Her sexual history in film indicated that that was not her intention.
 

excelsiorlef

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sad that she took her own life, but if you're going to express homophobic views -- especially on a platform like twitter -- i think "harassment" is to be expected somewhat
No there was harassment, there was criticism and harassment... we can discuss what she said without pretending there wasn't harassment... this is victim blaming and putting harassment in scare quotes is not cool.
 

El_Mau

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Wow, never thought of that! I guess those of us who can't go see a professional should just give up because those of you who aren't professionals just can't be bothered!
But seeking help from non-professional on the internet could be even more harmful, in my expirience internet is a really nasty place, but I think you had a more positive experience, so I'm glad it help you to sort things out, but personally I wouldn't recommend it.
 

Ketkat

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But seeking help from non-professional on the internet could be even more harmful, in my expirience internet is a really nasty place, but I think you had a more positive experience, so I'm glad it help you to sort things out, but personally I wouldn't recommend it.
Then I guess I just won't talk to anyone about any of my problems ever, and just die even faster than I was planning.
 

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Orite, seeing a bunch of inflammatory posts right now and the discussion has veered away from the OT many times. I think this thread has met its end.
 
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