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Portland prepares for Proud Boy and antifa face-off this weekend
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Are Proud Boys a big thing in Portland or are these people flying in?
God, imagine requesting time off and booking a flight to match with the fucking proud boys.
God, imagine requesting time off and booking a flight to match with the fucking proud boys.
A good amount of them are flying/driving from other states. They come to Portland all the time
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Fuck racist shit heads.
Driving in.
Most likely.
edit: Yup, now one of the Lieutenants in charge of use of force (fucking Christ). https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-niiya-52399188/
Representation. Showing people how small of a minority this fringe hate group is.
They come from out of state, like that guy who was waving a gun around in El Paso. They come to PDX because they know they are not wanted and they will meet opposition. That's what they want. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ed-released-el-paso-immigrant-center-n1040626
yes let's allow white supremacist terror gangs to roam the streets unchallenged
Wow it's 2019 and we still have people convinced that if you ignore these things they'll go away.
When you are so crazy that gavin mcinnes leaves you, then congrats you are the worst people in the country.
Their level is extreme levels of sexism and racism. So yeah, they never will.
A reporter that outs white supremacists got chased out of her home by proud boys from other states. They have no problem flying those assholes out.
Didn't he leave because they were officially labeled a hate group and didn't want the heat? My understanding is he didn't leave because they were too crazy, he's just a coward who couldn't own up to his own actions.
Because letting Nazis freely walk the streets and continue indoctrinating our youth is actually a bad thing that deserves having people stand up to?
The fuck?
White supremacists and Nazis are inherently violent. Like its intrinsic to their core beliefs and has a storied history of violent atrocities. The tut tuting over possible violent resistance to this is baffling.
No one is saying 'let them indoctrinate our youth' but genuinely wondering which is more effective or more likely to have that effect: counter-protesting or ignoring, particularly if they are going just to be opposed. This is arguably how they get their ideas in the news on a broad scale and build their organization.
Do we have data on this? Is it even possible to get data on this?
I 100% understand the perspective that they must be opposed, that their hate must be met with resistance and not given free reign, but I personally do not know which is ultimately most effective at ensuring their garbage isn't disseminated or adopted.
At this point all these guys want is a fight so by showing up to counterprotest you are just feeding into them.
It's the reason they are protesting in Portland of all places one of the most progressive cities in America.They are only there to incite violence.
Happens in every thread. Sometimes punching assholes in the face works. Hell, we used to shoot the fuckers.
This is also very true though.
Deplatforming works, ignoring has a history of allowing them to grow unimpeded. Richard Spencer is nowhere near these rallies or going to colleges anymore. And it has everything to do with him being punched in the face. Not that I am advocating that people should be using violent means to protest or deplatform, but that among the most notorious and powerful supremacists in this country, its been a rather large success. Other forms of protest involves going to these events and photographing everyone there. Then trying to find out where they work and let their employers know about it. Regardless of the actual means of counter protesting, I think its incredibly important to let these people know that if they want to show up and have a parade about white supremacy and nazism, that theyre going to face strong resistance and hopefully strong consequences.
Are you seriously asking if it's more effective to just let nazis spread their propaganda or to fight back against them? Because, come the fuck on, this sounds like a bad troll.
If you leave food out and you start to notice that you have ants, do you clean your house? Or do you ignore them because you're worried that cleaning up might attract more ants and if you just leave the ants alone they're sure to just go away on their own?
I haven't seen a group as big as the Unite the Right rally since Charlottesville. I believe it's because these counter protests work. The more afraid they are to spread their hate the better.
Edit: Although I will admit they do this because they know the news cycle and the shitbag right will paint Antifa as the villains. But they're going to do that anyway.
It'll be over in two-three hours max when antifa swarms the ten or so PBs.
Hopefully all my antifa peeps keep an eye out on the cops too. You know those fuckers are on the PB side.
Yes, but let them instigate first. I shouldn't have to explain why that is important.
Nah. I won't lose a wink of sleep if a bunch of fash get their face beat in.
They're promoting inherently violent ideology in public. That is the instigating incident.
When will the majority of era realize that staying civil, keeping the "higher ground", and no violence is worth it, is EXACTLY why fascism is growing unchecked in this country, dems and liberals are so concerned they keep handing shit over to appear civil and more moral.
This is at least an interesting analogy but I'm not sure it works? Cleaning my house definitively helps prevent the spread of ants. Cleaning my house will not then be broadcast to other insects that there are ants and maybe there are caterpillars with unarticulated frustrations and biases and bigotry and gee ants have some attractive ideas and may provide them with a sense of identity of group belonging that they'd been unable to find elsewhere so maybe becoming an ant is something they could explore.
What are the actual scenarios here (ie, with antifa and without)? This is now an international news story and the event hasn't even happened yet. Would it have been that way without the city bracing for conflict? Or would the fascist fucks have spent some time downtown shouting into the abyss while the rest of the country and world went unaware?
Again, I think counter-protesting has an impact on framing and shaming their views but it also helps disseminate their ideas and give publicity to their organization. What is the net effect over time?
If that's the case then that's exactly what I want to hear. Protesting is important. My only concern is the viral nature of ideas and how they are spread now in modern society.
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That's sorta how I remember the last one going. Counter protesters greatly outnumbered the PB's.
Forcible suppression of opposition is part of the definition of fascism. I think there is a fine line to be walked. If the far left is perceived as instigators of violence then the message is lost and you play right into how the right will spin things. Why give them ammo? Self defense on the other hand is perfectly justifiable.
I think videos of them walking in downtown PDX with no push-back just emboldens the fascists to replacate that elsewhere. If these assholes have to worry that one of them goes off and hurts or kills someone--especially a bystander--they're gonna be splashed on the news, doxxed and then probably fired if they're employed, they're gonna think real hard about showing up to support the bois