Chile awareness thread.Piñera moves to reinforce police, criminalize masks/other forms of protests while ignoring human right violations by his gov.

[Serpens007]

Hoping for a damburst on the government's obstruction, and that deep change can follow.

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Something's gonna happen. And the feeling is that the Government is kind of desperate to try and avoid having to face another round of massive protests: censorship in the media, in social media, lawsuits for "inciting violence", erasing street art, etc.


Just as a way of updating, since the thread was bumping, these are the official numbers by the National Human Rights Institute up until today:

Reports from Hospitals:
Total wounded: 3.765
3.044 men, 439 women, 282 children and teenagers

Eye damage: 445 (two of them are 100% blinded)
Trauma: 411
Lost or exploded eyeball: 34

Gunshot wounded: 2.122
Bullet: 51
Rubber ball: 190
Pellet shot: 1.681
Unidentified: 200

Wounded by Tear Gas shots: 271

Police Stations visits reports:

Visited people: 10.365
7.490 men, 1.603 women, 1.249 children and teenagers

197 reports of sexual violence
Torture and other cruel treatment: 520
Excesive use of force: 1.074
Another reports: 45

Law actions taken: 1.312
Homicide: 5
Attempted Homicide: 19
Sexual violence: 195 (4 of them being for rape)
Torture and cruel treatment: 951
Physical damage: 21
Unnecesary violence: 86

Victims in legal actions: 1.631, 271 of them children and teenagers, 16 LGTBIQ+, 20 disabled people


The government has only filed exactly ONE lawsuit because of human rights violations, against a group of policemen who beat a young father to his death in October, and the action is because the policemen got an internal agreement to lie in the investigation.

 

[Deleted member 4783]

Thanks Serpens007 for keeping this thread alive.

I'm going through a lot rn, so I can't keep this thread up to date (more like I just don't have the will to do it).

 

[Serpens007]

Thanks Serpens007 for keeping this thread alive.

I'm going through a lot rn, so I can't keep this thread up to date (more like I just don't have the will to do it).

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Damn, I hope you get better soon enough! Don't worry, I'm always up to keep people posted on this topic

 

[Serpens007]

Bumping with relevant news, but sorry I can't post links right now, will update later today with them (or if a fellow chileERA member help with them)

This week hasn't ended, but it has been big. Protests every freaking day

- Festival de Viña had lots of acts criticizing politicians and police actions, demanding changes, specially in the comedian acts. Right Wing said they were violent demostrations, or that incentivize violence. lmao.

- Last Saturday, right wingers against a new constitution took again to the streets (a few houndred). In some places in the country they faced opposition, being booed out of the streets. In Santiago, though, they are escorted by police, despite some of them marching hooded, armed with shields, knifes and sticks, even beating people. Police literally hugs with them. Government and Right wing parties said nothing of this.

Same saturday in Valparaiso, former Navy members held a demonstration in a monument that was "attacked" (paint thrown), some of them also beat a person while no one arrested them.

- Beginning on Sunday, March 1st, massive protests re-ignited again (well, they never stopped, but they are ramping up again now). Sunday by bycicle riders (Furiours Bikers they call themselves).

- Monday begun with massive subway fare evasions that have been happening the whole week, in one instance students shouted against an elder that paid his fare, they did insulted him and were recorded, sparking the outrage of a couple of right wing politicians

That same day, a Socialist Student leader from south of the country was beaten by police, having his face disfigured by the beating. No one said anything about it.

Police violence has sparked up again, with new tactics resulting in scores of protesters being arrested (with Govt congratulating police), many of them set free because of lack of evidence. Some protesters, including a 15 year old girl that recieved a gunshot to her hips, have recieved shots by rubber, steel pellet or gun firing.

- Yesterday two videos leaked: one from October, when a Military vehicle ran over and killed a protester. Supposedly an accident, howver the video shows clearly a pursuit and an intention to ran over him.

The other video showing multiple police members beating and torturing arrested protesters. Government didn't say anything about it.


In the middle of all of that, we do have a very good news though, thanks to the Chilean Feminist movement (and in the face of the demonstration they will hold on March 8 and 9th):


Congress approved gender parity should Chile choose to write a new Constitution in April. This means that, if "Approve" wins to write a new one, the Constitutional Convention will be 50% men, 50% women. An historical event.


So you can imagine how's the general feel of the country. The polls shows that a new constitution will win (latests showing a 69,9% of support for it), however the two options to write them are more split. One being the Constitutional Convention of 100% of members elected by popular vote, the other being a Mixed Convention of 50% of popular vote and 50% of congress choosing. Many misinformation happening here too, so the campaign is raging up.

As I said, I'll post links to the news and the videos later

I also posted a new thread about children and teenagers being arrested as reported by The Guardian (though the thread got buried quick)

The Guardian: Chile holds scores of minors arrested during protests

'Our children are going to prison': Chile holds scores of minors arrested during protests Many Chilean minors have been detained since the protests began, in a youth justice system rife with cruelty and abuse More at the link...

www.resetera.com

 

[CielYoshi]

I have no doubt in my mind that "Approve" will win. Beyond that, I'm not sure what will happen, but at that point we'd be on the road to a new constitution, so while I'd very much like the 100% vote option, I wouldn't be that much upset if the 50% vote wins. All that matters is that the "Reject" option gets dunked on :P

 

[Serpens007]

I have no doubt in my mind that "Approve" will win. Beyond that, I'm not sure what will happen, but at that point we'd be on the road to a new constitution, so while I'd very much like the 100% vote option, I wouldn't be that much upset if the 50% vote wins. All that matters is that the "Reject" option gets dunked on :P

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You know, I believe a lot of people think this or similar, but there is a fatal flaw of the Mixed option.

The 50% of Congress, besides being choosen among themselves which could result in people like Moreira or Von Baer writing the Constitution like Ley de Pesca, will still hold his/her position as congress member. This mean that they can say "no, I can't vote because I have to go to congress" and thus, legally manipulate quorums. This wouldn't be a problem, but you know that Convention will need a 2/3 approval to pass any article so... yeah, congress members would efectevly have ways to veto anything they don't like.

 

[Fridaynightcatlady]

I have no doubt in my mind that "Approve" will win. Beyond that, I'm not sure what will happen, but at that point we'd be on the road to a new constitution, so while I'd very much like the 100% vote option, I wouldn't be that much upset if the 50% vote wins. All that matters is that the "Reject" option gets dunked on :P

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Yo también creo que ganará el apruebo. Antes tenía mis dudas (más aún cuando se cayó el proyecto de que la votación fuera obligatoria). Yo creo que habrá una gran convocatoria, pero todavía no sé si ganará Mixta o CC. Me inclino más por la segunda, pero también creo que puedo tener un sesgo confirmatorio por mis propias redes. ¿Qué dicen las encuestas?

 

[lunarworks]

- Last Saturday, right wingers against a new constitution took again to the streets (a few houndred). In some places in the country they faced opposition, being booed out of the streets. In Santiago, though, they are escorted by police, despite some of them marching hooded, armed with shields, knifes and sticks, even beating people. Police literally hugs with them. Government and Right wing parties said nothing of this.

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It's the same all over the world.

 

[Serpens007]

Yo también creo que ganará el apruebo. Antes tenía mis dudas (más aún cuando se cayó el proyecto de que la votación fuera obligatoria). Yo creo que habrá una gran convocatoria, pero todavía no sé si ganará Mixta o CC. Me inclino más por la segunda, pero también creo que puedo tener un sesgo confirmatorio por mis propias redes. ¿Qué dicen las encuestas?

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Pulso Ciudadano muestra que la Convencion Constituyente tiene un 51,2% de apoyo, está peleado. La misma encuesta dice que el apruebo va con 69,9% de apoyo, es la más reciente.

Creo que los numeros de CADEM son relativamente similares, pero no recuerdo bien.

It's the same all over the world.

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Some of those that burn crosses...

 

[CielYoshi]

You know, I believe a lot of people think this or similar, but there is a fatal flaw of the Mixed option.

The 50% of Congress, besides being choosen among themselves which could result in people like Moreira or Von Baer writing the Constitution like Ley de Pesca, will still hold his/her position as congress member. This mean that they can say "no, I can't vote because I have to go to congress" and thus, legally manipulate quorums. This wouldn't be a problem, but you know that Convention will need a 2/3 approval to pass any article so... yeah, congress members would efectevly have ways to veto anything they don't like.

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And why would they sabotage themselves? Unless something changed between the approval of the referendum and now, any article that doesn't meet quorum is NOT rejected, it's simply not written in the constitution and they'd have to fight for their implementation later in both chambers, where it's not a certainty that they can push what they want without resistance from the opposition. I mean, they could for example refuse to vote on something like guaranteed universal healthcare to be written on the constitution. That would open up the path for a leftist government to write their own healthcare laws. Basically, on 100% vote, they are at the mercy on those chosen by vote, but on 50% vote they'd have to fight and make their case on their ideas to be written on the constitution, otherwise they couldn't keep hiding behind the "B-b-but it's inconstitutional" defense they have been using until now.

 

[Serpens007]

And why would they sabotage themselves? Unless something changed between the approval of the referendum and now, any article that doesn't meet quorum is NOT rejected, it's simply not written in the constitution and they'd have to fight for their implementation later in both chambers, where it's not a certainty that they can push what they want without resistance from the opposition. I mean, they could for example refuse to vote on something like guaranteed universal healthcare to be written on the constitution. That would open up the path for a leftist government to write their own healthcare laws. Basically, on 100% vote, they are at the mercy on those chosen by vote, but on 50% vote they'd have to fight and make their case on their ideas to be written on the constitution, otherwise they couldn't keep hiding behind the "B-b-but it's inconstitutional" defense they have been using until now.

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Because sabotaging it, making it as bad as possible, would make it easier to reject it in the exit referendum. Remember that these folks want to make it so that a rejection in the exit referendum would mean an approval of the current one. That's still not into stone, but yeah, remember that is still up in the air. It's nuts, I know, but it's still there.

Also, it would make it far more easier to get 50+1 in Congress than 2/3rds of Convention for those articles not written in there. That's the point. I mean, it's not total doom, but having Congress messing with the new Constitution when they can also start legislation in anticipation, not to mention the corruption we've already seen, it's dangerous.

 

[Maeros]

I just want to say keep your head up Chili. And please continue updating, ofcourse if you can. Its not always easy to write about. But if you can i would like so i can share the information with my friends, family and in general people i come across in my country.

 

[Serpens007]

I just want to say keep your head up Chili. And please continue updating, ofcourse if you can. Its not always easy to write about. But if you can i would like so i can share the information with my friends, family and in general people i come across in my country.

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Thank you. You'll be happy to know that people aren't giving up, despite the brutality of police

This was yesterday, thousands took to the streets in the country

That video was only of the capital

A water cannon police truck was burned, though there aren't images of how it started, it ended fully destroyed

Press members (that cover every single protest) were attacked.

Prensa Opal



French Press




Police burned an improvised healthcare point (that helps wounded protesters)



Lots of arrested though

PIENSAPRENSA 211,7 mil Seguidores on Twitter

“(Horror) Los encierran, los criminalizan, los deja toda la noche presos "castigados" solo por correr e intentar salvarse de los palos, las lacrimógenas y del guanaco. Estas imágenes parecen ser sacadas de una película NAZI. Es chile, 06marzo, 2020 Via: @PlazaDeLaDignid https://t.co/n6sUUSk7Z0”

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Every time I can, I'll post updates. I know not many people writes here, but it seems a lot at least read and want to know more so, there we go.

Today dozens of right wingers takes to the streets, tomorrow is Women's march, it will be huge

 

[bombermouse]

I live close to that, was wondering what the fire was. Fucking cops and those fucking tear gas grenades.

 

[Deleted member 62221]

Now we have fascists marching with the confederate flag and beating people (and a journalist) on the streets. We never copy good traits from America, we always copy the worst.

 

[Deleted member 4783]

Now we have fascists marching with the confederate flag and beating people (and a journalist) on the streets. We never copy good traits from America, we always copy the worst.

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I felt legit sick when I saw one of those cunts with the Confederate flag.


Fachos gonna fash

 

[Deleted member 62221]

Happy feet with the revolution:

 

[Serpens007]

One confirmed dead from last night, received a shot to the head with a tear gas can. Died in the hospital.


Today, again indeed, right wing marched armed and hooded, with Police custody (green and white cars are police)





They attacked several civilians, and as Lautar0 said, they attacked in group a respected journalists, who has covered middle east conflicts, and the protests here, showing clear sympathy for the protester sides. Worth mentioned that he has left speechless several right wingers in debates


"We are gonna kill them all, anyway" says one Nazi fucker




We are in the middle of an State force, legal, that just mutilates and abuse protesters, and another Civilian Ilegal force that attacks citizens. The problem is that the second one, is small and could be easily dealt with, but they are protected by Police and Govt

 

[Robaperas]

Now we have fascists marching with the confederate flag and beating people (and a journalist) on the streets. We never copy good traits from America, we always copy the worst.

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Yeah, it reminded me of all the white supremacists demonstrations in the US, even with the dumb military apparel and police protection. These fascist shitbags can rot.

 

[ty_hot]

Brazil 2013, people protesting for lower bus fares, police shot journalists covering the protest... from that point we got people hating political parties, burning flags from parties in protests because the protests had to be "apolitical " (LOL), then a crisis in the "left wing" government, impeachment of said government, an interim right wing government took power, made up accusation against the leader of the left wing (who ended up in jail), Bolsonaro elected (and the judge that arrested Lula became Justice Minister). Dod I forget to say that the people that were organizing the apolitical protests ended up in the Bolsonaro government and in other right or far right parties?

feels sad to see those images from Chile, the turning point in Brazil was the attack against journalists and photographers, hope you guys dont follow our path.

 

[Deleted member 4783]

Brazil 2013, people protesting for lower bus fares, police shot journalists covering the protest... from that point we got people hating political parties, burning flags from parties in protests because the protests had to be "apolitical " (LOL), then a crisis in the "left wing" government, impeachment of said government, an interim right wing government took power, made up accusation against the leader of the left wing (who ended up in jail), Bolsonaro elected (and the judge that arrested Lula became Justice Minister). Dod I forget to say that the people that were organizing the apolitical protests ended up in the Bolsonaro government and in other right or far right parties?

feels sad to see those images from Chile, the turning point in Brazil was the attack against journalists and photographers, hope you guys dont follow our path.

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Don't worry, that ain't happening here.

 

[Serpens007]

This is from today... They don't even care about being recorded anymore.




The Law to allow Military to "guard" "critical" infraestructure like public transportation (constant place of protest) or hospitals, water supply ,etc (which hasn't really been a target) passed it's first step, but will be voted in the chamber. If that passes, it's pretty much clear that Opposition and Government made a pact to stop the uprising against them.

 

[Serpens007]

Yesterday marked the two years anniversary of Piñera's Government, and the 30th anniversary of the return to Democracy.

It was a full day of protests. Almost 500 people were arrested just yesterday, half of them just in the capital. Reports of pellet shots to peaceful protesters in a middle class neighborhood by other civilians too. https://www.adnradio.cl/nacional/20...idas-por-manifestaciones-del-11-de-marzo.html

Depite all, Gustavo Gativa, who was blinded by police shot months ago (for we still don't know who did it, supposedly the names were given to the prosecution in charge, but that should have happened TWO months ago) , returned to Plaza Dignidad, central place of protests in Santiago, to protests once again https://www.adnradio.cl/nacional/20...izadas-este-miercoles-en-plaza-baquedano.html

Police General yesterday, to congress human rights comitee, declared that those who shot him, and Fabiola Campillay, also blinded by a tear gas shot to the face as she was on her way to her night job, are still active members of police.


Adding to this, serious talks about removing the President have regained stregnth in the spheres of power. Senate asked for a report in how would the procedure be to remove him by declaring him unable mentally to lead the country, which has never happened in the history of Chile. Also, Talagante Mayor (a suburban town right out of santiago) said to Interior Minister in an official act that they should serioursly consider Piñera to resign, because "there is no other way out for things to calm down" since "90% of the country won't trust him" https://www.publimetro.cl/cl/social...nadie-le-ha-dicho-al-presidente-renuncie.html.

 

[Serpens007]

President Piñera uses pandemic quarantine measures to mock protesters: taking advantage that no one can walk on the streets without a special permit for something essential, goes to the Plaza Dignidad, main point of protests every friday, to take pictures of himself



Right behind him: ""Piñera get out!"





What else can I say?



- 10/18/2019: While Chile was experiencing a historic social outbreak with incendiary attacks on the Metro, the President was eating pizza at a local in the upper neighborhood.
- 03.04.2020: While Chile suffers from an unprecedented pandemic, the President attends a photo session in Plaza Dignidad.

 

[janoGX]

How can you be so out of touch?

How can you be so idiotic Piñera?

 

[Serpens007]

His response:

Today, returning to my house, I passed by Plaza Baquedano, I went down for a couple of minutes to greet a group of Carabineros and Militaries who were helping to direct the traffic, I took a photo of myself and continued on my way. I am sorry if this action could be misinterpreted.

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He doesn't even say why he took the photo. Yet, he says that "could be misinterpreted"

Talk about provoking

 

[bombermouse]

Insane, he just couldn't help himself.

 

[Jerichox]

I hate him so much!!!

 

[Serpens007]

Mass shooting last night in the middle of a protest. At least 10 people injured, but no fatalities thankfully

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Shooting against protesters leaves at least 10 injured in Florida

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Armed people traveling in a car opened fire on Monday night against a group of protesters in the commune of La Florida , in the southeastern sector of the city of Santiago.​

The incident occurred at the intersection of Trinidad and Vicuña Mackenna avenues , prior to the curfew that governs the entire country every night from 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. the following day.​

In the place, approximately 30 protesters protested against the Carabinero Day, which commemorated this Monday the 93rd anniversary of the institution.​

According to eyewitness accounts, the attack occurred from a private vehicle , leaving at least 10 people with wounds of various kinds.​

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SURVIVOR: "I DID NOT SEE WHO SHOOTED, I ONLY FEELED THE IMPACTS ON MY BODY"​

"I did not see who shot, I just felt the impacts on my body, and when I no longer felt the noise I reveal my face and see people lying on the ground," one of the survivors of the shooting told the press stationed outside the hospital. .​

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Tiroteo contra manifestantes deja al menos 10 heridos en La Florida

El hecho ocurrió en medio de una protesta contra el Día del Carabinero en la intersección de las avenidas Trinidad y Vicuña Mackenna. Las víctimas se mantienen fuera de riesgo vital, según información preliminar.

www.cooperativa.cl

Investigative Police claims to have two suspects already. Some point that the shooting was carried by Police personel themselves, but nothing confirmed yet.

EDIT: POLICE CONFIRMS THAT TWO CARABINEROS ARE BEING INVESTIGATED FOR SHOOTING AT CIVILIANS, LEAVING 10 INJURED:

Carabineros reconoce que dos funcionarios son investigados por disparos contra manifestantes

Carabineros reconoció que dos carabineros están siendo investigados por los disparos contra un grupo de manifestantes en La Florida, lo...

www.biobiochile.cl

For some added context:

- Yesterday was Carabinero Day. Mass shooting to the eyes that left blinded people during months of protests still has no suspects detained, and after everything Carabineros has done, you can be sure people wasn't happy about conmemorating the institution.
- Besides this, protests are happening again for a multitude of reasons. Of course, they are much smaller, social distaince, etc. but some of the reasons can be listed:

* Basically no protection to workers in the middle of the pandemic. We are also stuck with a health minister that inspires no confidence at all.
* An "Employment protection law" was passed so employees aren't fired, but merely stop receiving their salaries if they can't work. The idea was giving small and medium businesses a way of not having to fire or go bankrupt, while workers have the option of pay themselves with their own unemployment savings. This already was horribly bad and not well taken by the population, so add that big corporations are using this law to stop paying despite having huge profits yearly.
* Plebiscite was postponed to October (and rightfully so), however, Government want to reopen the shopping malls, return to schools, everything with the slogan "safe return" as well as selling that the curve is fattening. AND THE GOVERNMENT IS STILL SPEAKING ABOUT POSTPONING THE OCTOBER DATE TOO. This, obviously, sounds contradictory, and people are pissed (some politicians in their own party are pissed too)

So expect protests to increase again. A lot of us expected that they would re-ignite once the pandemic is over, but it seems that if people sleeps, these fuckers we have as rulers will just starve us to death.

 

[bombermouse]

I live very close to Plaza Dignidad and I must admit I have partially enjoyed the pause that the pandemic brought us. I guess it's time to go again.

Fuck this government, fuck most of the politicians and fuck these cops.