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Watchtower

Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,652
Imagine being such a "moderate Republican" that you're more concerned of Trump's racism making you look bad than you are of, oh gee I dunno, Trump being racist.

Imagine looking at a mirror, saying that to your reflection, and somehow go to bed completely unfazed by your own supernova-level hot take.
 

Deleted member 31817

Nov 7, 2017
30,876
John McCain was a distinguished war hero but guess what: He was a terrible judge of character and a shitty parent.

He chose Lindsey Graham as a friend.

He chose Sarah Palin as his VP.

He raised a piece of garbage like Meghan McCain.

Just facts.
His war hero stint was a voluntary role in the Vietnam War and then later learned nothing as he wanted to bomb Iran and voted for the Iraq War.

His biggest moment of "civility" is saying no Mr. Obama is not an Arab, he's a good man as if those are mutually exclusive.
 

The Adder

Member
Oct 25, 2017
18,121
McCain is terrible, but she is just an example of the broken system of American capitalism. Until we fix that system you will always have these faildaughters and failsons, with their undeserved wealth and lofty platforms.
.. Her father was a major politician, not a businessman. She'd have a platform regardless if she wanted it.
 

Prolepro

Ghostwire: BooShock
Banned
Nov 6, 2017
7,310
Yes because without Trump the Republican party would be just squeaky clean.
 

Deleted member 4346

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Oct 25, 2017
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.. Her father was a major politician, not a businessman. She'd have a platform regardless if she wanted it.

a) Her mother is the heiress to a beer fortune. She was born into incredible wealth and privilege even over what she'd have as the child of a US Senator, and is even more out of touch.
b) Not all children of politicians have platforms by default. It's not a foregone conclusion that every child of a Congressperson would go on television to spew endless bile.

What's your angle here?
 

The Adder

Member
Oct 25, 2017
18,121
a) Her mother is the heiress to a beer fortune. She was born into incredible wealth and privilege even over what she'd have as the child of a US Senator, and is even more out of touch.
b) Not all children of politicians have platforms by default. It's not a foregone conclusion that every child of a Congressperson would go on television to spew endless bile.

What's your angle here?
A) She doesn't have her platform because of her mom's beer money. She's on the view because she's John McCain's daughter.
B) Not all politicians have John McCain's national profile nor do all children of the few politicians that do want a public platform. The ones that do can, and often do, just pick up a phone and show up on your screen the very same evening.

Edit: Meghan McCain wouldn't have her spot on that show if her father hadn't run against and lost to 2008 Barack Obama specifically. She'd be another face in the crowd occasionally showing up to talk to pundits.

My angle is that not every problem goes away because you've toppled capitalism. Maybe pursue additional solutions?
 

thecouncil

Member
Oct 29, 2017
12,341
its true that i hadnt really thought how this was all affecting meghan mccain. im gonna have do some reflecting on this.
 

Kinsei

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
20,544
Holy shit, it's actually real. I saw this on twitter and thought it was a parody site ala the onion.
 

The Albatross

Member
Oct 25, 2017
39,038
""But the problem right now is, you're taking away my agency to criticize her policy."



Is that the problem right now Meghan?
 

shnurgleton

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Oct 27, 2017
15,864
Boston
The wrong McCain died. And I was NOT a fan of John.

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Netherscourge

Member
Oct 25, 2017
18,930
I genuinely don't understand what point she's making there.

She's pissed off she can't bitch about Omar being against Israeli policy because now it makes her sound racist if she criticizes her because Trump's crew wants to ship her out of the country.

The anti-Trump Republicans are pissed they can't practice their Islamaphobia without being linked to racism, even though it has always been about racism.
 

Version 3.0

Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,187
Trump being racist means you can't talk about policy? I don't buy it. Talk about policy all you want.

"I'm not a racist, Omar is a racist!" is not a policy.
 

dapperbandit

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Oct 30, 2017
1,162
She's an absolute waste of cum basically. A talentless warmonger coasting on her father's name.

John McCain wasn't all that either, the highlights of his life being two aerial disasters, one where he was shot down and captured and the other was wet starting his fighter jet to show off and killing a lot of aircraft carrier crew.
 

NoName999

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 29, 2017
5,906
Remember when we had yahoos saying that Meghan was a good ally because she took potshots at Trump during her father's eulogy like a petty womanchild?

Remember that????!!!!
 

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A) She doesn't have her platform because of her mom's beer money. She's on the view because she's John McCain's daughter.
B) Not all politicians have John McCain's national profile nor do all children of the few politicians that do want a public platform. The ones that do can, and often do, just pick up a phone and show up on your screen the very same evening.

My angle is that not every problem goes away because you've toppled capitalism. Maybe pursue additional solutions?

In McCain's case, there's not a clear delineation between what she got from her father's political clout and her mother's wealth. You are trying to draw some kind of distinction where there is none.

I'm coming at it from the angle that, by putting someone as stupid as Meghan McCain, someone who has achieved nothing, who was handed everything from both mother and father, it's demonstrably harmful to society. There are talking heads on TV who are accomplished, and self-made, and though I might disagree with them, they have to some extent earned those positions. McCain hasn't earned anything. She's not a good broadcaster. Her commentary is not intelligent or informed. She has no on-screen charisma; in fact her manner is grating and off-putting. And her positions are as awful as the Fox News ghouls, just with less-blatant racism.

Under American capitalism, generational wealth and privilege has allowed such incompetents to thrive. Meghan McCain is one example of this. Donald Trump antother. Failchildren of the bourgeois class. I don't know that abandoning capitalism can save us from the harm these people are doing to our society, but they have us fighting endless wars, destroying the planet through climate change, caging refugees, and letting millions starve, or die from preventable illnesses. We owe it to our children, and grandchildren, to topple the systems that allow these people to wreck such havoc. Maybe we don't solve every problem but you would have us throw our hands up and say, "better things aren't possible" without making a serious attempt? Fuck that.
 

Isilia

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Mar 11, 2019
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And they can't persuade him to tone it back. Because, even if they succeed once, he'll go down deeper and deeper right after.

Let me know when it amounts to more than rich white girl disapproval, though. That's not even thoughts and prayers level.
 

The Adder

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Oct 25, 2017
18,121
In McCain's case, there's not a clear delineation between what she got from her father's political clout and her mother's wealth. You are trying to draw some kind of distinction where there is none.

I'm coming at it from the angle that, by putting someone as stupid as Meghan McCain, someone who has achieved nothing, who was handed everything from both mother and father, it's demonstrably harmful to society. There are talking heads on TV who are accomplished, and self-made, and though I might disagree with them, they have to some extent earned those positions. McCain hasn't earned anything. She's not a good broadcaster. Her commentary is not intelligent or informed. She has no on-screen charisma; in fact her manner is grating and off-putting. And her positions are as awful as the Fox News ghouls, just with less-blatant racism.

Under American capitalism, generational wealth and privilege has allowed such incompetents to thrive. Meghan McCain is one example of this. Donald Trump antother. Failchildren of the bourgeois class. I don't know that abandoning capitalism can save us from the harm these people are doing to our society, but they have us fighting endless wars, destroying the planet through climate change, caging refugees, and letting millions starve, or die from preventable illnesses. We owe it to our children, and grandchildren, to topple the systems that allow these people to wreck such havoc.
Don't stump speech at me. My point is that stupid people getting a platform because of their famous parent isn't a capitalism problem, it's a nepotism problem and you running into the topic to fix this wrench problem with only a hammer as your tool is missing the damn point. Nepotism exists and has existed in every system. It's the same shit as Republicans using 'socialism' as a synonym for everything bad. The difference being that this is actually relevant to the situation at times as opposed to their mad ravings.

Moreover, there is a god damn delineation. You don't see any of the Waltons getting long term positions on television. Because they're ludicrously wealthy, but they aren't individually famous. McCain is on the view because she parlayed her father's fame into a career, not her mother's money. Tearing down capitalism does shit all to prevent that.

As for this part

Maybe we don't solve every problem but you would have us throw our hands up and say, "better things aren't possible" without making a serious attempt?
Work on your fucking reading comprehension, yeah?

Also? You ain't cute deleting a block of text from my previous post. That edit was made within two minutes and you quoted me almost two hours later, so don't pretend like you just missed the edit.