She wasn't even fired was she?
She's transferring over to news anchor for the same channel was what I heard.
She's transferring over to news anchor for the same channel was what I heard.
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"Progressive Hero" Cenk Uygur, Gatekeeper to the Land Lefteros, dismayed that Megyn Kelly got fired
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Is Jimmy Dore on there? Cause he might be worried about folks holding platforms with crazy people on it responsible
Why do people hate TYT here then?
Genuine question because I've never watched or listened to them, ever.
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I don't agree with cent on his take on free speech.
But I do enjoy the young turks with the exception of Jimmy Dore.
I really wish they would cut him loose.
But I do enjoy the young turks with the exception of Jimmy Dore.
I really wish they would cut him loose.
For fuck's sake, this isn't even a free speech issue! Kelly wasn't stopped from making racist statements. Her employer doesn't have to give her a platform or pay her to be publicly racist on company time. And they don't have a duty to absorb the damage to their network's reputation from employing a vocal racist on-staff.
But again, NBC shouldn't have hired her. Megyn Kelly has a history of these sorts of comments! And she will walk away millions of dollars richer despite that.
Fuck Megyn Kelly AND fuck NBC. And also fuck Cenk for turning this into something that it is not, and also for giving a sideways defense for someone who is publicly and vocally racist against black Americans.
But again, NBC shouldn't have hired her. Megyn Kelly has a history of these sorts of comments! And she will walk away millions of dollars richer despite that.
Fuck Megyn Kelly AND fuck NBC. And also fuck Cenk for turning this into something that it is not, and also for giving a sideways defense for someone who is publicly and vocally racist against black Americans.
I don't even need to watch this. Lemme guess- "slippery slope"
I thought you would know better than all the posters here. You can be a free speech absolutist by principle without supporting the shit said person is spewing. Major difference.
I dont mind Kelly getting fired but I understand such a position like Cenk's.
Not really a fan of the TYT, but if this was some new revelation, I could maybe see the point to his approach. But it's not. I don't think there is such a thing as a "teachable moment" with someone like Megyn Kelly. NBC knew who they were hiring.
What is it then because you keep saying this like it's supposed to be obvious
"Should have had Al Roker, who was outraged about the comments, come on to her show and explain to the audience why black face is bad."
Which misses the fact that her show didn't have viewers to even teach.
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It's a meandering thing where he says white people just don't know it's racist, just don't know about police brutality so have the conversation on TV and they'll get it.. lol
He accurately predicts that people would say well you don't need to not fire Megs to have that conversation. So his rebuttal to is but they aren't having it... which somehow means since they shouldn't have fired her.
He then says he knows it's not a free speech issue but then makes all the usual we shouldn't censor discussion arguments that are inherent in a free speech argument.
He knows he's wrong but because he's a moron he just dances around to claim to still be in the right.
Because it -is- obvious for those who are regular here and are aware it TYT. And correct me if I'm wrong, but your username looks familiar enough to me for me to suspect that you know exactly what it is and you're trying to pull me down the path of relitigation. And nah.
I think you're implying TYT is hated bc it's leftist, which is hilarious since they're garbage regardless of their stances and there are further left personalities that are much better.
TYT was a big supporter of Bernie doing the 2016 election. Also, they rail against the centrist Democrats that are popular here. All in all its just social democrat vs liberal slap fighting.
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"Goddamnit look I don't support someone saying black people are all thugs on national TV but I also don't support deciding to stop letting them say it, and stop paying them to say it, on National TV. I'm a principled free speech absolutist"
I've been in lots of threads about politics yes.
I genuinely have no idea what you're implying about them.
Okay well there's an answer at least.
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And yet who is the one coming in defense of the racist keeping her job. Hmm?
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Bro
You're the one trying to pull everyone else down that dipshit path... as usual
This.
In what reality does Cenk live where this was the only thing wrong with Kelly?
A good amount of the posters that rag on TYT here were huge Hillary supporters on the old forum, and they were furious that TYT held out hope for Bernie up to and even after the convention. And although everyone at TYT (AFAIK) did ultimately support Hillary except Dore, they hold a grudge over that. But you know what, Cenk was right about Clinton. She was a candidate that could lose to Trump, and she did. So people hold grudges about that. It's the same reason you see the unfounded bullshit blaming Trump's election on "Bernie or Busters" time and time again. The same old 2016 primary re-litigation that we have here all the time.
There are reasons to dislike The Young Turks. They can be abrasive and Cenk is a blowhard. They aren't left enough IMO on certain issues, both social and economic. And on free speech, some of them, particularly Jimmy Dore and Cenk, are in the Bill Maher-type mindset. They treat it as an isolated thought experiment or "oh this is a slippery slope" rather than the way that I suspect many posters here do, which is that anti-black, or anti-LGBT, antisemitic, or anti-Muslim speech, is inherently harmful to society and, when extreme enough (Alex Jones is a great example) can be an incitement to violence. Hate speech is, to me, indistinguishable *in some cases* to violence.
But mostly what we get here in discussion about TYT is less legitimate criticism and more "hurr durr they suck". It's more complicated than that. Like, at Politicon they had a great panel with several younger members of TYT:
That was typical of the discussion we have here at ERA, and on the left in general. Stuff like this is really great and there were legitimate arguments all-round. Posters have made statements comparing TYT to Breitbart, or to Alex Jones. And that's just absurd. We can talk about the problems with the content of the network without resorting to nonsense comparisons to hate merchants.
Cenk is a "former" moderate republican so seeing him think this way isn't really surprising to me. A lot of liberal folks here and in the US also think similar views (the repeated number of how do we reach out to conservative/trump supporters topics/articles) so if this is supposed to be a shot at them I find it kinda funny.
The United States Census Bureau defines white people as those "having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa."
....Do you think we can't see what you literally wrote barely 30min earlier, on the same page or
(By the way, yes, let's stop with that like, right now. This goes for everyone.)
I agree with this. They do have their problems but they're a good gateway for pulling folks further left.
Claiming that Kelly is being removed from the network solely because of the blackface comment is such a surface level understanding of the issues with her. Cenk should realize this but I can't really say he's better than that.
Her show has consistently underperformed. She's had a history of saying problematic things. She's become a liability to NBC more than an asset. Let's not act like she hasn't gotten multiple chances here. Of course to be fair to her what also may have factored in was her coverage of sexual assault scandals at NBC, where on the very network her show aired she was throwing shade at upper management for protecting people like Lauer or stonewalling the reporting of people like Ronan Farrow.
However they knew they were also taking a risk by having her on. Her history of racially charged rhetoric is documented before she came to NBC. To think that was solely just the influence of Fox News would be naive. And here yet again we have an example of her being ignorant and on national television with the peacock branding attempt to make a case for why blackface is just fine and people should get over it.
For those curious of her being fired, she hasn't been just yet. Currently she's negotiating with NBC for her release, as she's looking for $50 million for breach of contract to avoid going to court over wrongful termination. But you can almost guarantee, short of going the online route, she's not going to get another job in news/opinion again any time soon.
Her show has consistently underperformed. She's had a history of saying problematic things. She's become a liability to NBC more than an asset. Let's not act like she hasn't gotten multiple chances here. Of course to be fair to her what also may have factored in was her coverage of sexual assault scandals at NBC, where on the very network her show aired she was throwing shade at upper management for protecting people like Lauer or stonewalling the reporting of people like Ronan Farrow.
However they knew they were also taking a risk by having her on. Her history of racially charged rhetoric is documented before she came to NBC. To think that was solely just the influence of Fox News would be naive. And here yet again we have an example of her being ignorant and on national television with the peacock branding attempt to make a case for why blackface is just fine and people should get over it.
For those curious of her being fired, she hasn't been just yet. Currently she's negotiating with NBC for her release, as she's looking for $50 million for breach of contract to avoid going to court over wrongful termination. But you can almost guarantee, short of going the online route, she's not going to get another job in news/opinion again any time soon.
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I mean it's his media group.
Reminder the only people invoking 2016 in this thread are the people complaining about how other people make everything about 2016...
oh you edited as I clicked or something lol
I was just gonna say that, tbf, I had no idea what you were talking about and was gonna ask as well. I've never watched TYT and I avoided poligaf like the plague.
But I shall move on!
I'm ok with Cenk having this opinion. I'm also a fan of TYT for the most part and I think they do a lot of great and important work. The wholesale dismissal of the people on that network and what they do is disheartening and I would expect more from a forum where the members largely identify as liberals/progressives/democrats. Things like Wolf PAC, which works to get money out of politics, are of great value to the US and especially right now when corruption and the power of money run rampant in our political system. The formation of the Justice Democrats is also a very important development here in the states.
Some of you need to learn how to disagree with people on some things without completely writing off everything they do and say. It makes you come across as super tribal and closed-minded. I know a lot of people still hold it against TYT because they dared to call out Hillary Clinton on a number of issues and really it is far past time to get over that.
Some of you need to learn how to disagree with people on some things without completely writing off everything they do and say. It makes you come across as super tribal and closed-minded. I know a lot of people still hold it against TYT because they dared to call out Hillary Clinton on a number of issues and really it is far past time to get over that.
It's because they are terrible and how they handled themselves have proven that time and time again.
The idea that people cant possibly dislike people because they are flaming trashfires and not because of 2016 relitigation really is just completely unthinkable to some of you huh.
pretty sure chapo gets clowned on not even 1/10 as often as TYT on here in spite of being precisely as [DESCRIPTOR REDACTED] so take this bizarre "y'all only care about them because they dared attack HRC" stanning the fuck outta here
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Duuude you literally opened with y'all know why you really hate Cenk and it isn't because of shit like this, you don't get to proclaim you weren't relitigating 2016 and then to boot bitch that others are trying to drag you in to it, when you open up with it... You brought it in, not anyone else. What you're doing is the verbal equivalent of attaching yourself via a rope to someone else, throwing them off a cliff and then complaining that they are dragging you off the cliff ,and that they need to stop it.... It's just you, and the other guy endorsing your insinuation, ya'll are peak relitigating while bitching about how everyone else just won't get over 2016... Yet the only ones who brought it into play was y'all.
Plenty of people who don't suck supported Sanders, Sam Seder for example doesn't get dunked on the way TYT does... why? Because Sam Seder doesn't fucking suck.
Cenk and by osmosis TYT (because you know it's his company and he employs Jim Dore) get dunked on because he sucks.
Pretty much this.
The TYT hate and Bernie hate in this board is pretty baffling.
yeah dude don't bother reading any of the other posts in this thread pointing out problems with TYT that aren't "they aren't Centrist Neoliberal Shills" so you can keep your fuckin' low-effort strawman going
I deleted my post based on mod demand- I guess were ignoring that /shrug
And again, my (deleted) post was selectively quoted