That's because MSNBC and CNN do not promote liberal issues or talking points ever.
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"Progressive Hero" Cenk Uygur, Gatekeeper to the Land Lefteros, dismayed that Megyn Kelly got fired
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That's because MSNBC and CNN do not promote liberal issues or talking points ever.
I stopped watching them but when I did I loved Ana and wished she was just there alone. Cenk was an annoying buffoon and I remember so many times Ana looked annoyed as fuck sitting beside him.
problems like what? Jimmy Dore? TYT is not one person...persons tend to have different opinions.
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They could not pay or give Dore a platform, Cenk also runs the joint so he kinda reflects strongly on them.
I'd say it directly but there's currently a Moderator Directive to quit jerking ourselves off about how persecuted we were two years ago, so use your imagination.
I realize that you're more interested in continuing to watch your particular Confirmation Bias Network than actually addressing anything in good faith, but continuing to platform Jimmy Dore is literally Cenk's fault
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Jimmy Dore is an idiot, but CNN hires and regularly hosts far, far, far worse than him and people don't give them anywhere near as much crap unless an editorial comes titled "Will the blue wave be a disappointment?"
TYT is run by Cenk. Platforming Dore falls on him.
You are 100% wrong, CNN and Zucker are trashed all the time for this. You just dont notice it as much because you dont like them.
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CNN doesn't call itself a progressive news station and try to act like arbiters of what it means to be a leftist...
Side note I've actually made more threads says taking NYT to task than TYT so lol.
The unnuanced hatred for TYT on this forum is always mindblowing.
It's totally fair to not enjoy them,and yet, they're one of the few if not the only news organization sometimes holding politicians accountable and covering key issues.
Did you see major news outlets covering water protectors protestors when they were getting mawled by dogs?
How about their coverage of the water crisis?
Are mainstream outlets regularly talking about climate change, student debt, the private prison complex, and political corruption?
If you strongly dislike what TYT does because of their politics, you should take a strong internal look at yourself. Maybe you're a part of the problem.
It's totally fair to not enjoy them,and yet, they're one of the few if not the only news organization sometimes holding politicians accountable and covering key issues.
Did you see major news outlets covering water protectors protestors when they were getting mawled by dogs?
How about their coverage of the water crisis?
Are mainstream outlets regularly talking about climate change, student debt, the private prison complex, and political corruption?
If you strongly dislike what TYT does because of their politics, you should take a strong internal look at yourself. Maybe you're a part of the problem.
What if you think both TYT and CNN/MSNBC/NYT are trash
Not liking TYT doesn't mean implicit support of the mainstream media. The mainstream media is also terrible and isn't actually about news, it's about controversy and hot takes and politics as a sport
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Maybe they should not platform Jim Dore, mayne Cenk should let someone else run it and not go to bat for Megan Kelly an deny genocide... I dunno. Maybe they're part of the problem too.
Ironically I am doing to Cenk exactly what I've repeatedly done to the NYT.
I personally only pay attention to, like, three people across all four of these networks/papers - two of them are statisticians and the third got clowned on for a tax returns story two years ago
Totally fine to be unhappy with all of them. But as I pointed out, TYTs existence is currently filling a void.
No TYT. Less exposure on those issues.
I think the topic to criticize Uygurs opinion on this totally legitimate . But look at the title. And then look at the thread . There's no discussion about the actual topic. It's just a senseless discussion free bashing thread.
Cuomo, Jake Trapper, and Cooper all handled themselves shamefully during 2016. And they all get a pass here. I'll never forget going from the Democratic Debate where Cooper asked real questions towards both candidates, to the next day where Cooper was literally asking Ted Cruz "how much do you love your wife. I hear you're good at impressions." and Rubio "I hear you like EDM" and another 2 hours of fluff questions for the republicans.
Jimmy Dore just has different opinions.
Like 9/11:
https://archive.is/https://mobile.twitter.com/jimmy_dore/status/410470134801653760
Or his thoughts about the murder of Seth Rich:
And someone else can go on if they want.
Like 9/11:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87tq5hOZg8I&t=19m9s
(around the 18 minute mark)
https://archive.is/https://mobile.twitter.com/jimmy_dore/status/410470134801653760
Or his thoughts about the murder of Seth Rich:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hok1ilVqG5c&t=6m13s
And someone else can go on if they want.
I'm not disputing that TYT is bringing light to issues, that's good work. But it doesn't absolve TYT of the problematic parts of their organization, and that's what makes it troubling. I do think there are other liberal organizations that bring light to these same issues that TYT does without the baggage. Vox would probably be the first one that comes to mind for me
And for some reason I'm willing to bet he was indifferent to Tamron Hall being pushed to make room for Megyn....
Then how about you critize any perceived actual issues? I don't see what a hosts opinion on a single issue has to do with any broader issues.
Tyt has a far wider reach than vox.
TYT definately isn't a leftist channel. They're a little further left than the average liberal that's it.
Not only do Cuomo, Tapper, and Cooper get a pass, but I see liberals, even here, hailing them as heroes for opposing Trump. To that I say, get the fuck outta here. CNN was a huge part of why Trump was elected. Cuomo, Tapper, and Anderson Cooper are not fucking allies. Don Lemon, who people played up for his criticism of Kanye's adoration of the president, isn't a fucking ally.
I mean we had people on the left who expressed affection for George W. Bush because he opposed Trump!
Goldfish-level memory for some people.
I don't think this is true necessarily. I think the problem is more that, when they do promote liberal issues, they do it in a "both sides" way and include some nasty, hate-filled conservative counterpoint "for balance". It's a constant equidistance fallacy and this is the best we get from the so-called "liberal mainstream media". So I do find value in what TYT does, even though I strongly disagree with them on points.
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Yes i am aware, hence my really really sarcastic thread title (I had more but character limits oppress my creativity) . They definitely act like they are though, and some of their viewers definitely act like they are.
What's funny is that the people that are most to the left on Tyt are the people that resetera hates the most.
Shows you how many centrists there are on this forum perfectly happy with the pre Trump status quo.
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hi, dues-paying DSA member here
that Jimmy Dore is apparently being considered "most left" in this post is an indictment on you, actually
Uygur definitely acknowledges he is not the most left on the network. In fact compared to other hosts he's like third most from center.
So your deliberate smear is just odd.
Specifically, that void is "what if I support socialism but think feminism is bad and racism is no big deal?"
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I'll take Accurate Assessments but Incorrect Evidence for 500$ Alex.
I was talking about tyt hosts specifically. If there are regular hosts further left, then I admit my ignorance.
Goldfish memory: Wow, CNN handles things terribly from time to time, but they did a good job on this particular thing so we should give them some faint praise.
Not goldfish memory: Sure, one of the prominent people is a 9/11 conspiracy truther who peddled Seth Rich conspiracy stuff, and the main guy denied (denies?) the Armenian genocide, but whatever.
Not goldfish memory: Sure, one of the prominent people is a 9/11 conspiracy truther who peddled Seth Rich conspiracy stuff, and the main guy denied (denies?) the Armenian genocide, but whatever.
Sorry, but I don't think you are actually in tune with TYTs actual coverage and the views of their hosts. Not even close... :/
They're actually probably the opposite of your characterization.
No. They dedicate tons of time to gender and race issues every day.
That a guy who subscribed to and would not directly disavow a conspiracy theory has no issue platforming a guy peddling conspiracy theories isn't surprising.
The reason TYT as a whole gets crap is because TYT IS Cenk. It's his baby.
I'm definitely on board. They can be right sometimes, but they REALLY come off as whining douchebags. Especially Cenk. And that's not what i personally want to hear. I want a fight. Not babies.
Kamala Harris for President
These people get shit on all the time here. It's not 100 percent across the board; some posters are harsher on them than others, some are more likely to praise them than others. Usually they'll get shit on when they deserve it and praised for when they deserve it. Which I think is exactly the kind of treatment that people in here are arguing TYT should be receiving too?
Well that's what I mean. I don't consider that kind of constant, useless panel discussions to be a meaningful promotion of liberal policy positions. Outlets like Vox or Crooked are what I'd consider to be actual 'liberal media.'
Why would we be on board with that? I haven't seen anything shady about TYT.
And Cenk is right here.
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So racists should get to keep their jobs saying racists things on TV because we can't discuss racism without platforming racists?
I mean, my whole point here is that Dore is a clown peddling in conspiracies to the detriment of the entire network's credibility more than he's genuinely left
You don't see people clowning on Current Affairs, Jacobin, or most of The Intercept (Greenwald himself being the notable exception) to nearly this extent and they're arguably further left on average
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Jim Dore is a 9/11 Truther and Seth Rich truther a general batshit conspiracy theorist and Cenk denied genocide in the past and his apology for that was pretty weak sauce....
You define truth very strangely friendo.
I've asked in the past if he admits it happened, and I have only gotten vague responses that he regrets the letters to papers in the past, not that he categorically believes the Armenian Genocide happened. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Jesus the vitriol in this thread towards TYT is surprising. Yeah Jimmy Dore is a shithead and Cenk can have bad takes sometimes but acting like the whole organization is poison is not a nuanced take.
Many of their reporters are competent people and they can talk about the issues pretty well. They had Kyle Kulinski a few days ago and Cenk, Ana and him had interesting discussions. TYT has flaws and I wouldnt say that they are an excellent news source but they are certainly better than the rest of mainstream media.
Many of their reporters are competent people and they can talk about the issues pretty well. They had Kyle Kulinski a few days ago and Cenk, Ana and him had interesting discussions. TYT has flaws and I wouldnt say that they are an excellent news source but they are certainly better than the rest of mainstream media.
If you think folks at TYT don't actually take actual, you're grossly misinformed. They've started an organization to get money out of politics and have achieved resolutions in 5 or so states. They were involved in the founding of Justice Democrats. They interview progressive candidates after their main show almost every day ahead of primaries and elections (no one else is doing this!!).
There are legitimate criticisms you may have. But that characterization is grossly inaccurate.