Evolution takes time and again I'm not talking just Spanish here, English, fucking French especially, all ought to evolve towards more gender neutrality
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Progressive Latino pollster: 98% of Latinos do not identify with “Latinx” label (ThinkNow Research)
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Evolution takes time and again I'm not talking just Spanish here, English, fucking French especially, all ought to evolve towards more gender neutrality
I know, I am just saying that with the way those countries are nowadays it is an impossible task
I mean, it's kind of a "new" term. No research needed. Plus, as a latin adjacent (pops is black dominican) I find it kinda corny, as well.
A big part of the regression of treatment of LGBT people in Latino America in the last decades has been "thanks" to evangelical and NA churches pumping money there.
I'm Latino and I don't mind it one way or the other.
I don't know as much about it as I should, for sure.
I don't know as much about it as I should, for sure.
I dont know how other countries deal with it, but some people that identify as Puerto Rican have never been to PR and dont speak Spanish at all. And when they do try to live in the Island, they cant deal and the locals give them the side eye.
And to be honest, the level of side-eye a Newyorican gets is not radically different from one a trans person gets.
Folks are still using miles, inches, feet, yards and come talk down how others need to evolve.
Please.
Please.
Was mostly confused by lack of vowels. Could've been Latin aks or uks
Oh sorry I meant Actress
I use actor.
I think I'd want a third word if say Doctor and Doctress and all of those existed but like it's only Actor and it's stupid lol
why do you keep ignoring the latinx people in this thread identifying as latinx?
I hate the latinx term, hopefully no one ever calls me like that. Latino/latina are spanish words, latinx doesn't make any sense.
They should have stopped at Latin. Latinx looks and sounds wild and as someone with secret Dominican blood, I'm as offended as my brushed under the rug ancestors will allow.
not surprised of the results from the polling. hispanics/latinos are already marginalized and disparaged from who they are as well where they came from then you add another word forced down on us to accept is never gonna work. So please stop calling us "latinx". Most of us dont like it...if some hispanic/ latino does like being referred as "latinx" then call them by that...just not most of us.
It feels like there's multiple conversations going on here:
Should latinx be the word of choice?
Do you go by latinx?
Should anyone go by latinx?
Is using latinx incorrect?
Is thinking latinx is wrong, transphobic?
Does it matter where the term originated from?
Either way, how often in conversation would someone even be called "latin_"?
Isn't it a self identified mostly?
"Hi I am blue skies and I am Latino"
"Blue skies is Latino"
How often would this even come up in conversation?
Now if we're talking about a widespread usage of it, like in news media, or a thread title here:
"Latinos que piensan de Marco Rubio?"
What's wrong with wording it like that?
That's inclusive of everyone.
If you think it's not, then you're wrong. It's not meant to exclude anyone.
Should latinx be the word of choice?
Do you go by latinx?
Should anyone go by latinx?
Is using latinx incorrect?
Is thinking latinx is wrong, transphobic?
Does it matter where the term originated from?
Either way, how often in conversation would someone even be called "latin_"?
Isn't it a self identified mostly?
"Hi I am blue skies and I am Latino"
"Blue skies is Latino"
How often would this even come up in conversation?
Now if we're talking about a widespread usage of it, like in news media, or a thread title here:
"Latinos que piensan de Marco Rubio?"
What's wrong with wording it like that?
That's inclusive of everyone.
If you think it's not, then you're wrong. It's not meant to exclude anyone.
They can, that is fair, and non trans people can use Latino/Latina. I don't see the issue.
Since the letter x isn't a vowel in Spanish, is painful to take someone seriously when they write anything with x's pretending to be progressive.
It's like if someone in America use a cyrillic letter to represent your country (Дmericans)... XD
It's like if someone in America use a cyrillic letter to represent your country (Дmericans)... XD
Why can't it be as simple as this ? It affects me not one iota to respect someone in the manner they request . Like... why is this thread so long, why are people feeling attacked over this terms usage when it has nothing to do with them? Why are they almost gleeful in expressing their ignorance of it? Quite disheartening
why the fuck do you think they are "pretending to be progressive"
what fucking mentality is that?
feminist men are only feminist because they want to get pussy too?
ugh.
Look at my Latinx over here.
Latinx always sounded like one of those things cooked up in elite colleges with the best of intentions but not exactly hitting the mark.
Gonna stick w/ Latino until Jorge Ramos tells me otherwise
Latinx always sounded like one of those things cooked up in elite colleges with the best of intentions but not exactly hitting the mark.
Gonna stick w/ Latino until Jorge Ramos tells me otherwise
But there are people in this very thread arguing that "Latinos que piensan de Marco Rubio" is exclusionary. That's the discussion.
And based off the rules of the language they're wrong, is what many of us are saying.
Seems like their energy should be focused on actual injustices
you can't take a word rooted from a different language then butcher it.
Anglo-Shperers are really something
Anglo-Shperers are really something
I speak portuguese and I really dislike this X usage. In Portuguese words gender are not the same as human gender. I'm glad nowadays I only see that kind of stuff within some niches place and corporate environment trying to be cool(so cringy).
I always assumed this was something to only be used in a written format, and only when something like anonymity or generalization is required.
Like, I never would have imagined people actually tried to speak Latinx as if it's its own word.
Though I'm not sure what was wrong with Latin@ in that case. Granted, that may be some Pokemon leaking over from seeing Lati@s typed out so much.
Like, I never would have imagined people actually tried to speak Latinx as if it's its own word.
Though I'm not sure what was wrong with Latin@ in that case. Granted, that may be some Pokemon leaking over from seeing Lati@s typed out so much.
Imperial over metric standards versus gender inclusiveness: Take 2.
I originally heard of Latinx from the LGBTQ community of the Latin American diaspora located in the USA. I get that there's pushback from literally everyone else, but if it starts with them, its something they felt they wanted, and it has to start somewhere. I only wonder if LGBTQ people in Central and S. America have an opinion and what they have to say about it.
Not really worried about market research polls, since this is more of a progressive protestation and a conscious choice of wording with purpose. If you're not down, don't use it, I guess.
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Or people could spend less energy focusing on deriding a term some people prefer to be identified by.
Ze is probably really unpopular in English too that doesn't mean the idea of it isn't good and progressive. It's just really hard to change something that fundamental.
My wife is Mexican and she uses Latinx in certain contexts to be inclusive. When I mentioned just saying Latin seemed better imo she said she didn't like that because its already a word with different meanings and Latinx just works better in Spanish to actually address and work around the whole masculine/feminine aspect of the language instead of trying to just erase it.
Edit: That said she personally identifies as Hispanic. Which is an important note in regards to this poll. The poll is asking what people identify as personally. 2% identifying as non binary sounds about right. You don't have to personally identify with it to understand it's usefulness in certain contexts when addressing others.
My wife is Mexican and she uses Latinx in certain contexts to be inclusive. When I mentioned just saying Latin seemed better imo she said she didn't like that because its already a word with different meanings and Latinx just works better in Spanish to actually address and work around the whole masculine/feminine aspect of the language instead of trying to just erase it.
Edit: That said she personally identifies as Hispanic. Which is an important note in regards to this poll. The poll is asking what people identify as personally. 2% identifying as non binary sounds about right. You don't have to personally identify with it to understand it's usefulness in certain contexts when addressing others.
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Not all but as a woman don't trust any so called male feminist, including the ones in this forum, it's all so...performative
How does one pronounce latinx? At least latine is easy to say, I'll give you that.
Latin-Ex
But Ive heard a lot of people not even try to pronounce it. The X like that is jarring.
That's because it's what I see normally in my local context (Bogota, Colombia). If I want to understand everyone, I talk it directly, not putting "X's" everywhere in my notes/books/posts.
Ah but of course, were in a US centric forum. Our context doesn't really care here.
is what you "see" or what you assume?
or do you know personally every person using the x, and you know they are just "pretending" instead of just being progressive
No but I speak spanish and I have seen people in social media use "e" instead "x" so if I have to use a word as plural and nore inclusive I will use latine because not only is easier but I actually have seen people use it. You can use what you want for you.
This thread is about latinos and what they choose to use not just non binary latinos.
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It's really fucked up the way people are trying to skew this topic to make it about individuals identifying as Latinx, when the issue is that American politicians like Elizabeth Warren think it's okay to just decide for millions of Latin-American people that their new demonym is "Latinx" instead of "Latino." That's just simply something that white Americans shouldn't be deciding for other people.
what is fucked up, is people in this thread identifying themselves as latinx and people in this very same thread calling anyone who uses that term an idiot and that they will laugh at their faces.
that is what is fucked up
So you're okay with Elizabeth Warren randomly deciding that people who generally don't refer to themselves as latinx are to be called latinx? Wow.
i dont care about Elizabeth Warren
i care about people in this thread identifying as such, and other people saying that anyone who uses that word is an idiot.
people really in this thread uncomfortable being called a differently-gendered identifier than they prefer, but seeing zero irony when they shit on Latinx as a garbage term in the same breath
Obviously people who identify as Latinx should be refered to as such. Why do you not care about the people who identify as Latino being called Latinx by a culture and nation which has a history of oppressing them?
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