I hate the term Latinx as a speaker of multiple Latin based langauges (Romance Languages).
it's like saying, "fuck your language of origin, lets fuck it"
it's like saying, "fuck your language of origin, lets fuck it"
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Progressive Latino pollster: 98% of Latinos do not identify with “Latinx” label (ThinkNow Research)
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This honestly. Please think before you post especially if this is something that doesn't affect you.
It's the dumbest shit. I cringe everytime I see someone on here write it. If I ever said "latinx" to my wife (who is Colombian) she'd probably laugh me out of the room.
I mostly just say latin people. But latinx does sound more inclusive. Like how some folks are now using folx or womxn to be more inclusive of lgbtq people. I don't see a problem in using and popularizing it even if it's still quite unpopular. Languages evolve and with time more will identify with it.
There you go. It just doesn't work as a logical replacement in the language.
This is not the origin of the term at all.
The term is explicitly rooted in Spanish-speaking communities within the United States. The term comes from Spanish-speaking Americans attempting to negotiate modern developments in gender identity with their strictly gendered home language. Just because the term is not popular doesn't mean it isn't authentic.
I have no opinion on the term because I am white and not Latin but if a Latin-American asked me to use Latinx, I would. The intersection between gender and language is currently difficult to navigate and I think it's weird that people dunk on trans and nonbinary folks for trying to adapt their own language to their experience.
lol holy shit didn't we just have a thread about how we shouldn't be dismissive of nb/trans issues?
As a Latino, yeah it's stupid. Use either Latino or Latina, whatever feels right. Latino should still work for non-binary people.
Overall, Spanish is a very hard language to be gender neutral with, there are cases where you can do it, but phonetically it's a pain in the ass.
Overall, Spanish is a very hard language to be gender neutral with, there are cases where you can do it, but phonetically it's a pain in the ass.
Latinx is largely just a US centric term, I don't see why people would or worry about it. The best example of what happens when rubber hits the road is looking at something like Univision coverage of the elections going on, when the term comes up on the trail in Spanish language coverage, it just gets translated into the regular grammatical terms.
I get the idea that US-centric terms are seen online as trying to take over other culture's grammatical structure, but I mean if you actually look on Spanish channels or read through Spanish websites outside the US, it's obvious it's not nor will it. Personally don't sweat it. You're gonna see it everywhere in the US or likely on English speaking websites but outside of that it's not actually an issue so it feels sort of moot to me.
I get the idea that US-centric terms are seen online as trying to take over other culture's grammatical structure, but I mean if you actually look on Spanish channels or read through Spanish websites outside the US, it's obvious it's not nor will it. Personally don't sweat it. You're gonna see it everywhere in the US or likely on English speaking websites but outside of that it's not actually an issue so it feels sort of moot to me.
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I am native spanish speaker. People that hate language progress sound to me just like people that hate gender neutral bathrooms and refuse to refer to people as "they" even when asked multiple times because it sounds weird.
yeah I'm seeing that here
if you've only heard it from white folks...maybe read more non white authors? some here are just now realizing this is about the gendered nature of spanish, like...cool, good to have you join gje dialogue after dropping your hot take
I was just in a diversity and cultural seminar for my job and there was a big uproar there between people who identified as Latino and people who identified as Latinx. I think most people there preferred Latino but it was hard to tell. It was a very interesting conversation that I wasn't really aware existed.
"woke" Anglo-Sphere "progressives" changing labels to define you without asking you... again
I'm nonbinary so it's something I had to grow up with, which kind of sucks. Oh well, the least I can do is try to adopt more gender neutral language and encourage everyone who is open to the idea to do the same :)
bingo
worth noting that the idea of language as set only by academic standards and being otherwise immutable is itself rooted in white supremacy
Is it a problem to generally use term 'Hispanic'? That too is gender neutral, and sounds less cumbersome.
Ah, ok. Is there a cultural reason why Latinx has become the genderless term of choice and not just "Latin"?
Yep all the hatred sounds exactly like the pronoun debate that more people are finally starting to take seriously
Singular "they" has centuries of use to recommend it at least, so I would assume it would be more accepted. But in general you're probably right.
How I've always felt. I'm mixed, but I say hispanic or Latino.
This is what I never understood. Latin is already a perfectly logical, gender-neutral word to use, so why invent one?
Not surprised. My wife's extended family (from Latin America) have either never heard of it or think it's fair game for ridiculing. 98% of people probably identify as male or female, probably an uphill battle trying to get them to use or identify with an Americanized gender-neutral word.
Can't you just use "Latin"?
It's as gender-neutral as it comes. No "as" or "os". And it's still easy to pronounce.
The "x" is just forced, and doesn't translate well to other terms.
Doubt it, singular they is easier to incorporate into standard speech and written prose because it exists and flows well with the rest of the language.
Latinx is conscious a response to gendered language than trying to meekly adapt by using the english language words. It is kind of supposed to sound jarring and weird.
I love how if you don't think people using Latinx is a big deal, you are automatically not Latino, not a native Spanish speaker, etc.
As for what non-Latino people should call us... I don't know. I don't particularly care if they use Latinx over Latino. But I sure as hell am not going to tell other Latinos what to use for themselves or think I'm more valid than them because of it.
As for what non-Latino people should call us... I don't know. I don't particularly care if they use Latinx over Latino. But I sure as hell am not going to tell other Latinos what to use for themselves or think I'm more valid than them because of it.
How about trans people can use whatever they want as an identifier?
It certainly is not surprising that trans/nb users feel shut out on here
My wife and I just had this discussion a week ago. We're both in our mid-30s and were wondering why Latinx is a thing when just Latin would work. We assume its just a generational thing as well as trying to be more gender nuetral. Also, Latin said in Spanish wouldn't work, but then again neither would LatinX so yeah.
I always thought the word was really weird because I never saw actual Latino people using that word.
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I'm not proficient with it, no? guess I'd better check with all the black & indigenous folks using it for a while now to see if they're continuing efforts to be more inclusive or secerly woke anglo progressives or whatever other strawman some of y'all wheel out here
yes but switching up the most minor bits of language is a bridge too far, and made of corn apparently
I'm not proficient with it, no? guess I'd better check with all the black & indigenous folks using it for a while now to see if they're continuing efforts to be more inclusive or secerly woke anglo progressives or whatever other strawman some of y'all wheel out here
yes but switching up the most minor bits of language is a bridge too far, and made of corn apparently
Yeah. It's really fucking stupid. All the "I don't identify with it" takes are horrid.
So? It's not for you, you inconsiderate fuckers.
This is ok, but don't expect it to become popular due to how wonky it is to say in Spanish.
This is not like "they" or other gender-neutral pronouns, which tend to flow as well.
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