Yup. Don't really care about people using it, though.
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Progressive Latino pollster: 98% of Latinos do not identify with “Latinx” label (ThinkNow Research)
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South of El Rio Bravo, I have never heard the term latino in the context of talking about the people from Ibero America. We normally say Boliviano, Peruana, Salvadoreño, etc. when appropriate. Latino is only used in the context of estadounidenses referring to people within such ancestry.
My guess is this happens because the Latinos they have the most interaction with are those in American academia. Non-Latinos see them using Latinx and assume its the best word to use for general cases.
As someone who is not Spanish speaking, this definitely seems like entirely the whole point and I'm disappointed it's going over people's heads.
Don't make assumptions. Some of us annoyed with the term aren't cis.
We already have a gender-inclusive term to use in English. Latin American.
All my chicano/mexican-american friends make fun of it
I'm personally not against it though, it's always great to have a gender-neutral option
I'm personally not against it though, it's always great to have a gender-neutral option
This is literally nonsense, this wasn't created by the United States, it was created by Gender Non Binary folk looking to find a way to identify themselves in their culture. This wasn't invented by fucking white liberals
Honestly the X does seem like it was added by people that speak the language but don't understand it.
Another thing. X usually represents the Unknown. That seems kind of insulting to people they do not have a gender or are NB. Like if they're searching for one or some shit.
Latine makes more sense
Another thing. X usually represents the Unknown. That seems kind of insulting to people they do not have a gender or are NB. Like if they're searching for one or some shit.
Latine makes more sense
Count me in as part of the 2%. I adopted the term after being told several women that latinxs empowers them and makes them feel like a part of the group rather than an afterthought. I think the disconnect is between Latinx-Americans and native Spanish speaking people since i've only really heard non-americans complain about the use of the term.
I think this just speaks of the difference between Latin people in the US and those still in their native country, and just shows how Latine came to be despite Latinx existing.While those in the US adopted the latinxs because they are surrounded by english speakers and wanted to be as inclusive as possible, those in latin america adopted latine because they only have to worry about being inclusive for latinos, so for those using Latine, latinx just comes across as foreign
Once again most of the people posting in this thread is why many nonbinary and queer people feel uncomfortable speaking up
It's nice to read the other words that are used for inclusion so thank you to those people vs the complete toxicity exuding from most people
It's nice to read the other words that are used for inclusion so thank you to those people vs the complete toxicity exuding from most people
Progress also has some dead ends. People can say a term sounds stupid but it doesn't mean they hate the progress Finding something everyone can accept is easy if the people that like Latinx aren't stubborn
I was speaking more regarding say Canadians (few Canadians are really looking to reclaim American from the US :P) and what not
Latin American refers to people who aren't from the US. They're from Latin America hence they're Latin American.
Once again the same exact argument people who bash others for untraditional pronouns use
It's saying something that despite it showing multiple times that No, it's not. People are still pushing this.
Posts like these are galaxy brain stupid. Especially when you acknowledge the vast amount of brown folks champion the word latinx.
As a Spanish speaking Latino... yeah. It's just so hard to pronounce and it's really not a big deal for 99% of Latinos. Language has to be user friendly and adding a consonant at the end after another consonant ain't it.
I get the need for a more gender neutral language, especially Spanish, but Latine or just saying Latino and Latina is probably more useful.
And this is weirdly something I see more in America than in the Spanish speaking internet (understandable because Latinos outside the US rarely use Latino to refer to themselves).
I get the need for a more gender neutral language, especially Spanish, but Latine or just saying Latino and Latina is probably more useful.
And this is weirdly something I see more in America than in the Spanish speaking internet (understandable because Latinos outside the US rarely use Latino to refer to themselves).
Yep, I identify myself as Latin america and I have live all my life in the Dom. Rep.
But it was created in the United States? American Spanish speakers in particular? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latinx
"Doctores" is gendered male, lol. That's touching on the broader patriarchal issue that the male word is the default way of thinking for a lot of these things, and that creates a lot of sexist attitudes that are literally woven into the language. It's an issue for trans and nonbinary people, as well as many cis people (particularly women) who have to fight gender roles with every sentence.
That's one reason why the gendered nature of Spanish is becoming increasingly out of touch with modern progressive society. I don't think adding an x solves the issue, but I understand that people first and foremost want a pronoun they can identify with before we get around to rewriting all of Spanish.
I am Puerto Rican. I've never seen a single person use this term. Only white people seem to push it around from what I've seen.
I'm sure that's the case for some.
For my wife, her sisters, and her family on both her Dominican and Honduran sides, it's more about the fact that Spanish is completely entrenched as a gendered language, and so changing the word for a collective group of people seems like a pointless thing to do with little to no lasting effect.
It's a gendered language. It's impossible to speak Spanish in any capacity while remaining gender neutral.
If being called Latino or Latina is enough to cause distress in someone, then they are going to have an awfully difficult time navigating the language, which, once again, is gendered to the core. It's not just a case of substituting a newer progressive word over another — you need to fundamentally change the language at its roots if you want to achieve some sort of gender neutrality.
That being said, if people feel better being called Latinx, I oblige them—it makes no difference to me. I just don't expect it to catch on outside of woke pockets of the internet, and am not surprised when the Latino community largely rejects the term.
*scratches head*
What do you mean by projection?
I don't think you are using that word accurately even with your false assumption that white people invented it.
Threads like these always leave me confused. It's not something I plan on using personally as a descriptor. I also have no plans to correct someone else even if I think it sounds silly to say out loud(not what it represents is silly). That said, I'm also raising a daughter I've been teaching spanish to have had full intentions to get a tutor for her while she's young so she doesn't eat her S' like I do. So I struggle a bit to reconcile my desire to teach my daughter spanish how I'm used to/prefer and then be mindful of this topic as a whole.
Like what's the desire way to do this? Teach spanish first and then provide added context when she's much older to understand it? Idk what else makes sense.
Like what's the desire way to do this? Teach spanish first and then provide added context when she's much older to understand it? Idk what else makes sense.
I'm mixed (dad's second gen Mexican-American), I don't speak Spanish, and I'm non-binary. If you want to call me latino, fine. Call me latina? Also fine. I'm going to call myself latinx though and if that pisses you off then I should what, fuck off out of my own cultural identity?
English speakers aren't even fucking fine with "they". Non-binary/gender neutral pronouns will ALWAYS get pushback because it seems so not normal to most people.
English speakers aren't even fucking fine with "they". Non-binary/gender neutral pronouns will ALWAYS get pushback because it seems so not normal to most people.
No, just pointing out the origin was definitely from the United States, a correction to your point here: "This is literally nonsense, this wasn't created by the United States.."
Apparently according to this thread you aren't part of the culture.... you're just American or something lol
So because YOU never seen a single brown person use it, it means none do?
Galaxy brain stupid.
And yet in this thread there are multiple people saying that LatinX is dumb but they would okay with Latine.
As in by the US government or the dominant culture group in the US....
The post I was replying too was literally going off on fucking foreign policy, white liberals and the the arrogance of the United States as a country.... Those aren't the groups that crafted this term.
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