That's.. not what the poll was..
People were asked which they would use to describe their ethnicity. It shouldn't be surprising that non-binary people chose latinx and that that (non binary people) represents a small segment of the population
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Progressive Latino pollster: 98% of Latinos do not identify with “Latinx” label (ThinkNow Research)
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People were asked which they would use to describe their ethnicity. It shouldn't be surprising that non-binary people chose latinx and that that (non binary people) represents a small segment of the population
I... Just don't see where Latinx is really doing anything like that? For one it doesn't appear to be a term that White Americans came up with. More the one that they adopted. If anything Warren is trying to use inclusive language that is ultimately clunky, where better words already exist.
I'm just not seeing the implied imperialism.
Maybe I'm wrong but I always saw the "x" as being a place where you can place a, o or e? I also thought it was meant mostly to be written. The rest of the thread is showing me that most people didn't and don't see it that way.
That's.. not what the poll was..
People were asked which they would use to describe their ethnicity. It shouldn't be surprising that non-binary people chose latinx and that that (non binary people) represents a small segment of the population
honestly the fucking article and the poll seems to be trying to attack warren for her use of the term latinx.
Just because no one here is saying that doesn't mean that there aren't white American politicians deciding to label millions of people who don't identify as Latinx as "Latinx." How can you not see that as being, at a minimum, somewhat oppressive?
(Once again, this isn't to say that people shouldn't be allowed to identify as Latinx. Obviously they should. It's just that white Americans should be careful not to take the reins and decide on a new identifying word for millions of people who have been oppressed by white Americans. And right now? They're not being careful.)
Lots of people here are saying people should not use "latin/e" because is "not real spanish" but latinx isn't either or even saying we should use latin@ instead when it's unpronounceable, like a user here literally replied to me with that.
Is not a simple dislike, is just unpronounceable in spanish unless you pronounce the "x" as anglo "x".
do you feel excluded when warren uses latinx instead of the term you identify yourself?
or is it simply you dont like a white american using it?
You keep telling people what they're thinking when they're not saying anything of the sort. I've said repeatedly people should use what they feel comfortable with for themselves and that should be respected.
The thread however is full of people deriding the term, even to non-binary people within the culture. Haven't seen any (may have missed a couple though) suggesting that every Latin American person be referred to as Latinx.
I hear it from young Latino Hipsters, basically the new young generation.
It's so cringe when I heard that word,
So the reasons for not liking the word Latinx in this thread boil down to:
Edit 2, now we can only have one.
- I'm Straight/Gay and use Latino/Latina
- Language, language never changes.
- Latine already exists, fuck people who want something different
- Fuck white people(even though there are non-white people that use this term)
- It's hard I don't want to
- I've never heard of it, it's not real
- I don't know anyone who uses it
- Thinly veiled discrimination against non-binary people
Edit 2, now we can only have one.
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Why would you say that Latine is "not real Spanish" when Latine is what is used in Spanish speaking countries as a gender neutral/inclusive form of Latino/Latina?
Easiest seems to be just using whichever people are comfortable with and not mocking people for their choice in that. I completely see the latine argument functionally but it doesn't hold weight against someone wishing to be called latinx in those cases.
I am working through the thread and thought Latine is actually the better option. I don't think I've seen anyone calling it fake Spanish.
But IT IS hard to say,unpronounceable even but maybe it's because I have some speech problems
Gotchu fam
That's covered under, it's hard.
X isn't a vowel in English either, and we get by.
Yeah, we agree on that. But I haven't met yet the first person here (on my local context) that use it for reference as a non-binary person.
It's incredible how you missed the entire point of the thread. It's in the title, it's in the OP.
It's really incredible how you're misled by the title of the article and how the title doesn't line up with the data presented and requested in the poll.
its unpronouncable
hahahahah, that will never be not funny, to me
i actually forgot that the same way we speak right now we have been speaking it for thousands of years.
like OrangeNova said
language, language never changes
hahahahah, that will never be not funny, to me
i actually forgot that the same way we speak right now we have been speaking it for thousands of years.
like OrangeNova said
language, language never changes
That's cool, and if you've not known someone that wishes to be referred to by it over latine then it's not a concern. Certainly wasn't suggesting it should be a blanket replacement for all Latin American people.
The reason why people dislike it more than latin or latine is because it's just unpronounceable. Anyone who speaks speanish daily understand this or even if it is not totally unpronounceable then is waay harder than other options.
You forgot to include that Latine an inclusive term already exists.
It's also worth noting that, aside from the fact it is focused specifically on American residents, the question as posed is not a referendum on the rejection of any given descriptor, instead that they find the others more appropriate. I'm fine with the use of Hispanic on official forms in the US, but I believe that my Mexican-native wife would prefer identification by specific nationality when possible (because aside from language the shared culture is not as strong). I will try to get her response to this later because I know she has opinions on it and I would rather not misrepresent them.
I mean, I think personally 'latinx' is clunky but that's going to be inherent in almost any attempts to distinguish nonbinary people in general because few languages with gender distinctions have declensions outside the binary -- this isn't an issue unique to Spanish at all -- because the tradition of usage just isn't there.
The word doesn't make me feel icky or excluded or anything, no. And even though I think Latine sounds better I'd be really happy if I woke up from a coma 10 years from now and Latinx had supplanted Latino as most common way to refer to Latin-American people. The fast we get gender neutral in every language, the better.
The problem I have is that this is an issue that Latin-American people are working through. And it feels incredibly offensive when white Americans decide that it's time to step in and sort all of this out for those silly non-whites who can't get their shit together on time. It'll be messy, it'll be complicated, but in time the hundreds of millions of Latin-American people will sort out how to identify without the guiding hand of white Americans.
I do appreciate that Warren wants to be inclusive. And the suffering of NB people is certainly no less important than the misery inflicted on Latin-American people by the United States. And I'm not saying she should say Latino either. She could say Latin-American and not be viewed as re-identifying millions of people.
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That's a slippery slope there my friend. Goals posts, moving targets, etc.
So what you're saying is majority rules? Cuz I'm seeing some hefty discord and division right now.
It's like you're trying to apply logic in space with some shaky foundation.
This culture tries to make everyone feel included, but you're going to have some toes stepped on to reach that goal.
I'm honestly not sure this is ever going to work out.
spanish is my first languange, and its not unpronouncable at fucking all.
what are you people doing with your mouths and tongues when trying to pronounce? like
are you like those people on infomertials that cannot open a carton of milk?
I'm not sure it's particularly surprising that when asked what their preference is for describing their ethnicity only 2% put LatinX. Not sure what the non-binary population % is but I imagine it's low?
Sure, but it's worth making an effort to accommodate still. A little awkwardness in phrasing will mean a lot to them and make them feel validated if that's what they prefer to use. It might seem the smallest dumbest thing to you but I can genuinely tell you it could make someone's day if you made the effort and it's what they prefer.
We already have "Latine", that's already used in many LA countries and even had LGBT communities in Mexico fighting for it.
Lemme just quote myself for the new page
Hey, nobody is ragging on you for that, but you're getting drowned out in the sea of people who are whiny about it being hard. I'm sure no matter what you said, the attempt is more important than the execution.
And, how do you pronounce latin@s? is it Latin-ats? Honestly it's a solid way of doing it online, but @ isn't a letter, it's a symbol. Nobody is saying that Latines shouldn't be used, but respecting peoples identity is important, and while some(even a majority) may prefer latines, some prefer latinx. Raising awareness and social norms of using non-binary terms or gender neutral terms helps everyone, because you don't run into stuff like this as often, if you're upset about Elizabeth Warren using it, voice it constructively, or work as a society to bring a word up.
yeah, i didnt see that post, and im sorry if i made you feel bad.
but as orange say, the intent is more important than the execution
I have only ever seen latinx used on Twitter. It doesn't surprise me that so few hispanics care for it.
And? Words vary in Spanish. Coger means pick up in some places while in other places it means fuck
So the natural follow-up is that in Spanish speech, Americanx has to be a thing too, right?
What I see is that there's already a gender neutral term that a strong plurality of the relevant population identifies with and yet some people insist on pushing a separate gender neutral term which a very tiny minority of said population identifies with because it's more popular in their circle.
Just saying, if you're trying to make a complete list. :)
That said, you don't address the difference between "This is what an individual wants to be called" (which I've only seen one person, now banned, be opposed to) and "This is the term that should be used to refer to ALL Latin Americans" (which is where the pushback in the thread is coming from).
also warren dont forget almighty warren. any article that includes her name has to be a terrible attack on her!! /s
anyways..I dont mind if non binary individuals and others like to use latinx but dont force that word to identify everyone else within the hispanic/latino community.
They are not ""whiny"", it's hard when there are better options. If people say it is hard for them then it's hard for them, you are acting like they are lying.
Massively intentional reframing of it lol, such a shitty way to use data.
Definitely interested In hearing the response of your wife to this.
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