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pretty sure White American politicians give zero, or maybe -1000 fucks about what to call Latin Americans.Just because no one here is saying that doesn't mean that there aren't white American politicians deciding to label millions of people who don't identify as Latinx as "Latinx." How can you not see that as being, at a minimum, somewhat oppressive?
(Once again, this isn't to say that people shouldn't be allowed to identify as Latinx. Obviously they should. It's just that white Americans should be careful not to take the reins and decide on a new identifying word for millions of people who have been oppressed by white Americans. And right now? They're not being careful.)
I'm not saying that they're lying, language evolves though, and growing pains are expected... Xe and Mx are difficult to pronounce because X is hard letter, and not a vowel, but we figured it out, and we got there.They are not ""whiny"", it's hard when there are better options. If people say it is hard for them then it's hard for them, you are acting like they are lying.
I mean, its heart was in the right place but spanish in a gendered language, like it or not A (literally) fundamental part of the language isn't going to change any time soon, so even though gender neutrality is a good thing to aspire to, I just don't think it's possible in this situation. I'm only half Mexican myself, and don't really look it (though I do have the most Mexican name ever Mexicanned) so I already feel awkward referring to myself as Latino. Latinx just ups that to a whole new level of "na man"
Writing Baina instead of Vaina. Disgusting 🤢I didn't even know this Latinx thing was an actual thing since I've heard it in maybe one channel. When asked I just say I'm Dominican which is followed by an "I Knew it!" since they picked up of my use of baina.
Writing Baina instead of Vaina. Disgusting 🤢
As a Dominican it will be really hard to know that term since we are so far behind when it comes to inclusiveness of the LGBT community.
Hah, not quite but it is just about as equally generic
That's cool, and if you've not known someone that wishes to be referred to by it over latine then it's not a concern. Certainly wasn't suggesting it should be a blanket replacement for all Latin American people.
I'm not sure it's particularly surprising that when asked what their preference is for describing their ethnicity only 2% put LatinX. Not sure what the non-binary population % is but I imagine it's low?
hmmmm Pablo Rodriguez? omar esparza? paco? ?Jesus/Chuy bracamontes?
I think the main interesting point of the article is that a strong plurality of the population already favors a gender neutral term. So what then is the logic for championing the use of latinx over hispanic?
I think the main interesting point of the article is that a strong plurality of the population already favors a gender neutral term. So what then is the logic for championing the use of latinx over hispanic?
Writing Baina instead of Vaina. Disgusting 🤢
As a Dominican it will be really hard to know that term since we are so far behind when it comes to inclusiveness of the LGBT community.
On my phone and it always auto-corrects it to baina. Also while I agree that we are a bit behind in regards to the LGBT community the term Latinx isn't as wildly heard or known so that doesn't help as well. I'm speaking of course in regards to family and friends from said community.
there is one thing all latinos, latinas, latinx, can agree with
van damme dancing the vaina loca is pure fire
pretty sure White American politicians give zero, or maybe -1000 fucks about what to call Latin Americans.
Warrens using the term to be polite and inclusive. She's not handing down an edict, and white people haven't banded together to do naythang, let alone this.
its unpronouncable
hahahahah, that will never be not funny, to me
i actually forgot that the same way we speak right now we have been speaking it for thousands of years.
like OrangeNova said
language, language never changes
People are really missing the irony that people came up with Latinx because they didn't feel represented by Latinos, and are mad that people who use Latinx are using a word they don't identity with.
Also, who cares if Latine exists already? We'll have two terms. Big fucking deal.
Again, we need to strive to be better to LGBT people, not worse in the name of keeping things the same as they always were.
No, but both will have fundamentally different life experiences and cultural narratives. I can't credibly claim to understand what it's like for someone of Puerto Rican heritage to grow up in the US anymore than they could claim to understand what it was like for me to grow up in Puerto Rico, live through hurricane Maria, protest and succeed at overthrowing a corrupt governor, etc. etc.
Anybody can correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can tell, no non-binary Latin American has self-identified with the term "Latinx" in this thread.I can only speak from my experience, but I haven't seen the term Latinx be used or even be catching on among LGBTI Latin Americans either, in contrast to the gender neutral "e" which has been a part of recent feminist discourse in Latin America, so again it just seems like it's mainly people from outside the community deciding how they apparently should be referred to. The term Latinx just doesn't feel organic. It seems to have sprung out of like academia and/or political correctness discourse, not out of the actual community it refers to, while ignoring alternatives already in use/springing up.
Totally agree, I was gonna say that we are one of worst countries in Latin America when it comes to inclusion but since I don't have any data right now I decided to word that differently. The whole push against the Ideología de género stuff drives me crazy. This country being so religious has fucked up so many things.As someone born in San Cristobal, I'll straight up say we're huge asshole towards LGBT people and it needs to stop yesterday. Coñazo.
I was joking about vaina XD. And my point was that because we are behind in inclusion, a term like latinx is non existent in the DR.On my phone and it always auto-corrects it to baina unless I add a La in front and then its always vaina. Also while I agree that we are a bit behind in regards to the LGBT community the term Latinx isn't as wildly heard or known so that doesn't help as well. I'm speaking of course in regards to family and friends from said community.
It's sad because there's so many in the closet. I'm happy my generation(Dominican Americans I should say) are way more open about it. Ever since my cousin came out so many years ago I have met sooooooooooo many.Writing Baina instead of Vaina. Disgusting 🤢
As a Dominican it will be really hard to know that term since we are so far behind when it comes to inclusiveness of the LGBT community.
latinequisspanish is my first languange, and its not unpronouncable at fucking all.
what are you people doing with your mouths and tongues when trying to pronounce? like
are you like those people on infomertials that cannot open a carton of milk?
It is a new type of Kleenex
Anybody can correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can tell, no non-binary Latin American has self-identified with the term "Latinx" in this thread.
especially in American universities, where its use has since become widespread.
"woke" Anglo-Sphere "progressives" changing labels to define you without asking you... again
Language is fluid and adaptable when it incorporates things I like and an immutable, inviolable cornerstone of our collective culture when it incorporates things I don't like.Really weird takes on language here. Languages mix with each other to make new words all the time. It's what languages do.
Yes, organically. That's not what's happening here--as evidenced by all the Latin Americans who have posted that they've never heard the term before.Really weird takes on language here. Languages mix with each other to make new words all the time. It's what languages do.
Also, I'm not sure what the big deal is if it's being used to identify as nb or be inclusive to nb people. Like....just keep doing what you're doing if you don't need it, which is clearly what people are doing? This "shove down out throats" rhetoric sounds reeeeeeeally right wing and it's not a good look.
White people on Twitter most likely.
We are discussing both. People who come in with their hot takes that they won't ever use the word, it's dumb, a creation of non-Latino people, etc. are erasing the identity of non-binary Latinos who prefer to be identified by Latinx. This might be a tiny group, it might have the most support in elitist ivory towers like American universities, but it exists. Painting those people as automatically gringos or self-hating is shitty. So some of us (Latinos even!) are reminding people not to do that.I'm confused in this thread, sorry to beat a dead horse, but are we discussing: using latinx to describe all latinos, or are we talking about using latinx for NB ppl who want it?
Because I have a problem with the former, but none with the latter.
I love Elizabeth Warren and I'm sure she had good intentions, but saying "latinx families" is grammatically incorrect, and literally no one would've been offended if she spoke correctly in saying "hispanics" Latin Americans" or "latino families"
Yes, organically. That's not what's happening here--as evidenced by all the Latin Americans who have posted that they've never heard the term before.
Spanish already has ways to be gender-inclusive that are infinitely more palatable to the Latin American ear than "latinx". Why are you not listening to what we're saying and instead keep trying to speak on behalf of non-binary Latin Americans, not a single one of which has self-identified with the term "Latinx" 17 pages into this thread?