Answer the goddamn question: Do we or do we not have a say in what label American marketing departments, journalists, and politicians use to refer to all of us? If you'll read the article, informing that decision was the express purpose for having conducted the poll. Nobody who hasn't already been banned is arguing that non-binary Latino Americans do not have a right to self-identify however they please, and you are being extremely disingenuous in trying to frame the argument in those terms.
And the concept of latin america from where all this comes from is not?
So should we also say Mexicanxs, maestrxs, personxs, ingenierxs, panaderxs, bomberxs, traductorxs, hermanxs, etc? It's just being realistic when we say it's never going to happen. It's not a pushback against NB identity.
It really does say something when an inclusive term seems to exclude 98% of people.
Yeah, the thread also reminded me that I've always thought it weird that we group basically all of Central/South America into a single group. I'm not even sure what the practical use in doing that is (except to help white nationalists "other" these people more efficiently).
I personally don't have any issue with the word I guess, but I've never been to an English speaking country so I've never heard it / used it. I guess there's no problem with its usage as long as there's awareness that it's not going to become a thing in Spanish speaking countries. And again, it has nothing to do with NB hate or whatever.
So the solution should be to use all three, 'latino/latina/latinx', in conjunction rather than to attempt to make 'latinx' the inclusive, catch-all term. No unreasonable person should object to that.
We can also agree that those posts were unambiguously transphobic and dismissive, and that those sorts of attitudes have no place in a civil society.
this would be gravy in a vacuum, but it isn't. which is why I think Latinx will be around for a while. People in this thread seem to think it came from white North Americans trying to push political correctness.
Their right to feel that the existing terms did not include them and to self-identify with 'latinx' does not extend to a right to decide that everyone else should feel included by that term. But that's beside the point, because they're not the ones who are pushing for 'latinx' as the catch-all term for 'latino/latina/latinx'. As is plainly stated in the article in the OP, the issue is that American marketing departments, journalists, politicians, and American popular culture is attempting to amplify its usage as the inclusive, catch-all term, in favor of the terms 'latino' and 'latina' with which the vast majority of us identify. I am no more obligated to feel included in 'latinx' than non-binary Latin Americans are obligated to feel included in 'latino'.
You should definitely report those people because no one should be telling you how to identify. If you did report it and it wasn't taken care of, I apologize.
Will anything short of a scientific, peer-reviewed study on the frequency of the term in American popular culture rise to your standard of acceptable, non-anecdotal evidence of a trend (just so nobody fixates on the use of the word 'push'...)?
trend is fair and a lot less loaded term than 'push' obviously. I'll agree that it has been trending as of late in some progressive media i listen to but it's leftist multicultural pro-lgbtqnb programming, deliberately trying to be inclusive. And I assume Warren is taking a cue from those people, versus hypothetical 'marketing pushes'.
Inclusive would be to use 'latino/latina/latinx' in conjunction. 'latinx' as the umbrella term assumes that everyone else feels included within it. Not the case. So when it's used as an umbrella term in American popular culture, it reeks of cultural imperialism. And I will point out, once again, that the author of the article is a market researcher, whose clients are marketing departments, and whose express purpose in having conducted the poll is to advise his clients (=marketing departments) on the use of the term...
No, that would not be a problem... which is why the criticism is directed at American popular culture rather than non-binary people Latin Americans.
Is latino/a considered an offensive word? Genuinely curious now...
lawdt
no
This is the beef I have been having with the word for a very long time. If you called yourself Latinx no issues what so ever. But to describe a whole group, no.
The problem is not with incorporating anglicisms into Spanish, but that said anglicisms need to work with the way Spanish is phonetically written. Latinx is completely at odds with that aspect of the language.
