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Hailinel

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Can confirm that Heidi forgave PBG:



I can understand if people here don't wish to personally forgive him, but let's at least be straight with the fact that Jared, a guy he considered a close friend, fed him vicious lies to paint Heidi as the villain.
 

Cup O' Tea?

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No. "Personalities" are pretty worthless.
What the fuck does that even mean? Oh it's okay to be a youtuber, just don't reach any sort of level of success or notoriety or some rando on a message board will define you as "worthless". You know you could have found a way to say groupie culture is gross without tarring and feathering all of youtube?
 

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YouTubers are basically the rock bands of today. Sex, drugs, groupies, and underage behaviour.

Instead of running away or sneaking into a concert, kids are now on social media doing who knows what. Not sure which is scarier for the parents.
Honestly? Social media should be scarier for parents. It's so much easier for young people to be exploited online than it is in person, especially without a parent knowing. It happened to me over a decade ago and if anything it's only gotten worse since then.

This is just so awful, being manipulated like that as a teen and used for someone's sexual gratification really fucks you up.
 

Daysean

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Never heard of him before. Why do people post such things on Twitter?


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This still kills me
Like there ain't nothing you can do after getting hit with this, log off twitter bruh
 

PopsMaellard

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Oct 27, 2017
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He didn't know about any of that shit, though.

Like, do you think Jared told all of his friends, "Yeah, of course I send dick pics to minors"?
To be fair when he made the tweet it was only in response to Heidi immediately calling out Jared for stuff like blocking her and was a bit before the nudes came up. Not that it excuses him but initially at the time it was before Jared ended seeming like a total monster and I'd imagine investigations were still ongoing and he didn't have the full picture of the situation
It was a shitty response and he admits to that. It was also done when 1) He was being lied to by one of his closest friends and thought the ex was being unreasonable and 2) before all of the allegations of him being a creep came out. Coming back and apologizing after a day to digest and disassociating from someone you thought you could trust I think is pretty damn reasonable.

You can go ahead and cancel him if you want but this seems to be an honest mistake to me.


Take out the shit I said that came out after the fact, and you still have a scenario in which PBG's reaction to Heidi tweeting that they were getting a divorce due to Jared's behavior was "this ain't it chief" .

This is not an acceptable or rational response to the wife of a close friend getting a divorce. This is not a mistake made on the basis of lies. If any of my friends were going through something like this the absolute last thing in the world I would ever do is, again, fucking @ their partner on social media in an attempt to shame them. Regardless of what I was being told by my friend, it's neither the time nor the place. And I say that as someone who has zero social media clout. Imagine doing that and having the audience of someone like PBG.
 

Tzarscream

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Oct 28, 2017
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Why do people follow YouTube personalities? I don't get it.

The only way I ever hear about these people it's because another one pops up for doing something shitty, and yet people act like it's some shocking news each time. There are always these posts like "Wow. I actually liked this guy, guess I'll have to unsubscribe now." You pretty much have to be a narcissistic butthole to become a "personality" so just stop watching these idiots before their skeletons come marching out of the closet.

I've never heard of this guy until today, and now I not only know who he is but I also know that he's out here sending dick pics to children. It's not good knowledge, it won't help me on jeopardy, it's just a waste of time and energy. I wish YouTube "personalities" weren't ever discussed on this website and most others, and just kept in their own YouTube algorithm for people who care about these goofballs.

Just play games. And if you wanna talk about them then do it on this forum or reddit or whatever, but no need to treat random youtubers like any kind of authority on anything or to support their narcissism by discussing them here or sharing their videos.
Truth!
 

Shan

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Can confirm that Heidi forgave PBG:



I can understand if people here don't wish to personally forgive him, but let's at least be straight with the fact that Jared, a guy he considered a close friend, fed him vicious lies to paint Heidi as the villain.

Yeah, I was pretty mad when he seemed to blindly defend him but...eesh looking back on it now he was probably being lied to and considering they've been friends for over a decade it's insanely hard to have to accept that overnight.
 

Vern

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What the fuck does that even mean? Oh it's okay to be a youtuber, just don't reach any sort of level of success or notoriety or some rando on a message board will define you as "worthless". You know you could have found a way to say groupie culture is gross without tarring and feathering all of youtube?

I don't think you and I are talking about the same thing. I don't watch much YouTube but what I see is generally like true crime documentaries. They aren't "personality" driven channels.

Also I don't have any problem with "groupie culture." Honest adults can fuck who they want, even their celebrity crush.
 
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I can't hate on PBG in this case. The whole "this ain't it" was a bit shitty but it was only about Heidi publicly outing the cheating and was before the pics/underaged stuff started showing up.

His apology seemed genuine and was accepted by Heidi. I seriously believe that he didn't know the extent of the issue.

I appreciate him owning up to it and apologizing. That takes a lot.

I think Normalboots did the right thing and Jirard especially did the right thing.
 

Books

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Can confirm that Heidi forgave PBG:



I can understand if people here don't wish to personally forgive him, but let's at least be straight with the fact that Jared, a guy he considered a close friend, fed him vicious lies to paint Heidi as the villain.

I'm sorry to ask, but how's this guy connected?
 
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Should I remove the threadmark for the accusation of manipulated-into-sex? Someone did post a backup of it below the post.
 

Glass Arrows

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I'm sorry to ask, but how's this guy connected?
Austin is PeanutButterGamer. He and Jared were friends for years and part of NormalBoots.

When Heidi came out with her story, PBG dismissed it because he was presumably lied to by Jared for years. Understandably this caused people to sour on him. He seems to have realized that it was a hasty reaction before he had all the proper information.
 

Okamiden

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Connecting the dots, from what Heidi said, it's clear PBG was lied to for perhaps months by Jared. He was told that Heidi was the abuser, and who knows what else. Jared probably told PBG that he was depressed because of her, in therapy, etc. That she was unreasonable.

So PBG's initial reaction makes sense. Especially super late at night. It's a terrible reaction, and I was and still am mad at him for it, but it's understandable.

He's a victim of Jared's lies too. Lost someone he thought was a friend, after being lied to by said "friend" for a long time. So I get it. Heidi accepted his apology and that's good enough for me.

The real monster is Jared here. So many projects he was in are ruined now too. Dude's monstrous actions are affecting so many people. Ugh.
 

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I feel fucking sick. Just saw that Reddit thread about this shit bag and how he preyed on someone to meet him for sex. Looked like they had legitimate proof through messages between one another. Unclear if they're under age. Either way this guy needs to have charges pressed on him. It's truly despicable.
 

Hailinel

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I'm sorry to ask, but how's this guy connected?
He's a (now former) longtime friend and business partner of Jared that clumsily came to Jared's defense immediately after Heidi started airing Jared's dirty laundry. ("This ain't it, chief.")

It was a very hasty, ill-thought attempt at a defense from someone who clearly didn't know the full scope of what the hell happened.
 
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Why do people follow YouTube personalities? I don't get it.

The only way I ever hear about these people it's because another one pops up for doing something shitty, and yet people act like it's some shocking news each time. There are always these posts like "Wow. I actually liked this guy, guess I'll have to unsubscribe now." You pretty much have to be a narcissistic butthole to become a "personality" so just stop watching these idiots before their skeletons come marching out of the closet.

I've never heard of this guy until today, and now I not only know who he is but I also know that he's out here sending dick pics to children. It's not good knowledge, it won't help me on jeopardy, it's just a waste of time and energy. I wish YouTube "personalities" weren't ever discussed on this website and most others, and just kept in their own YouTube algorithm for people who care about these goofballs.

Just play games. And if you wanna talk about them then do it on this forum or reddit or whatever, but no need to treat random youtubers like any kind of authority on anything or to support their narcissism by discussing them here or sharing their videos.

I used to watch ProJared when he did 'funny' reviews of 'bad' videogames (like Mortal Kombat Mythologies) but I don't really 'followed' him. All his other stuff I don't care about. He always came over to me as an amiable dorky guy. Just shows that there is a major difference between the online (YouTube) persona and the person in real life.
 

Books

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Austin is PeanutButterGamer. He and Jared were friends for years and part of NormalBoots.

When Heidi came out with her story, PBG dismissed it because he was presumably lied to by Jared for years. Understandably this caused people to sour on him. He seems to have realized that it was a hasty reaction before he had all the proper information.
He's a (now former) longtime friend and business partner of Jared that clumsily came to Jared's defense immediately after Heidi started airing Jared's dirty laundry. ("This ain't it, chief.")

It was a very hasty, ill-thought attempt at a defense from someone who clearly didn't know the full scope of what the hell happened.
Got it thanks. Wow.
 

Cup O' Tea?

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I don't think you and I are talking about the same thing. I don't watch much YouTube but what I see is generally like true crime documentaries. They aren't "personality" driven channels.

Also I don't have any problem with "groupie culture." Honest adults can fuck who they want, even their celebrity crush.
I still don't know why being a youtube "personality" is a problem here. For a lot of youtubers, their personality is essentially what they are selling and what pays their bills.

I agree with you on groupie culture. It's not a problem if it's consenting adults and there isn't any infidelity. In ProJared's case though, it's pretty gross.
 

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I just want to point out that the fact that ProJared cheated on his wife IS NOT THE FUCKING STORY! If that is all that had happened I would have no issues with continuing to support ProJared and his content. The story is that he USED HIS POWER AND INFLUENCE TO MANIPULATE HIS FANS including those who were/are UNDERAGED!!!!
Basically this. Sure, cheating on your wife makes you an huge asshole, but this seemingly very American thing to declare someone who cheated on his wife as a persona non grata is something that A) I will never get and B) highly annoys me in the case of Jared because it seems to distract from the real issue here, namely that he is a fucking creep who has committed a legitimate crime by sending goddamn nudes to underaged kids.

Looking on Twitter and his subreddit the cheating thing is more talked about than the nudes thing. Which is the wrong way around.
 

n00bs7ay3r

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Because it doesn't matter if she knew he was married or not...

EDIT: Sorry I meant to quote people in this
 

gogosox82

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Honestly, everyone going after Holly in this is just plain wrong . There is only one perpetrator in this situation.

I mean, Holly knew he was married tho. From everything I've read about this, Holly and Heidi where friends so she knew what she was doing and did it anyway so she is somewhat responsible but not nearly as responsible as Projared because its his marriage and more importantly he was trying to get nudes from fans who were 16.
 

Speedlynx

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This means we can completely write off that terrible Sonic Adventure 2 video and agree it's a great game, no?
 

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Honestly? Social media should be scarier for parents. It's so much easier for young people to be exploited online than it is in person, especially without a parent knowing. It happened to me over a decade ago and if anything it's only gotten worse since then.

This is just so awful, being manipulated like that as a teen and used for someone's sexual gratification really fucks you up.
I guess this is something this generation of parents weren't prepared to deal with because they never had social media as a huge thing in their lives while growing up. It's a new thing and hard to manage.

Hopefully with time later generations will have better ways to be more aware of the kind of influencers their kids are consuming and/or interacting with. Not saying to take complete control of their children's privacy (this would be terrible as well), but like you said, it's pretty dangerous and there may be some better ways to not let stuff like this happen so much. Parents may have to talk more with their kids than ever before.
 

n00bs7ay3r

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Basically this. Sure, cheating on your wife makes you an huge asshole, but this seemingly very American thing to declare someone who cheated on his wife as a persona non grata is something that A) I will never get and B) highly annoys me in the case of Jared because it seems to distract from the real issue here, namely that he is a fucking creep who has committed a legitimate crime by sending goddamn nudes to underaged kids.

Looking on Twitter and his subreddit the cheating thing is more talked about than the nudes thing. Which is the wrong way around.

Look. A lot of people don't seem to understand what I am saying but this person does!
 

Okamiden

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People saying that the only real issue here is the pictures are terrible.
Heidi was abused and belittled for months (or years?) by someone who had all the power in the relationship and he was lying to her all along. And lying to their friends, stating her to be the abuser.

Even without the pictures, this guy is still garbage and deserves to be thrown into the sun along with his content.
 

Davey Cakes

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Yeah, I didn't mean to come off as a PBG warrior. The guy made a miscalculated tweet and lacked the proper info.

He's been lied to by his friend for years. Not only that, but he's been seemingly battling depression and existential crises lately. I don't know, I guess I'm more likely to give benefit of the doubt when the person expressing themselves has their own emotional battles to fight.
 

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Not really sure I understand the whole "walking on eggshells" thing from the last page or so. Sure, people gave PBG shit for a stupid reply, but he was thoughtful enough to apologize for after more knowledge of the circumstances came to light. If anyone's criticizing him currently I'm not seeing it, but the weird fringey paranoia of TEH CANCEL continues unabated.

This means we can completely write off that terrible Sonic Adventure 2 video and agree it's a great game, no?

Whoa, whoa, whoa one thing at a time here let's not get carried away
 

n00bs7ay3r

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Too bad? She was just as much a part of this in going behind her friend's back. Cheating is a form of emotional abuse, and Heidi is the victim of it from both ProJared and her friend Holly.
You are simply wrong or we have different ideas of what the moral crux of this situation actually is.
 

n00bs7ay3r

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By "actual thing that should be being discussed" you do mean the Underage fans situation right?
Yes sorry that I was not clear. This shitbag preyed on underaged fans. He sent them nudes and asked for them in return. That is completely fucked and I hope that he is charged for it.
 

Glass Arrows

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I don't think people would disagree that soliciting/sending nudes to minors is far more heinous than cheating on your spouse, but that being said him cheating on his spouse is still shitty especially since he lied to his friends about the situation to try and make her seem like the bad guy.
 

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Of course the dude I only know from his weird YouTube thumbnail pics and parody-like name "ProJared" is a creep.
 

Drizzy Finks

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It's all in all a pretty disgusting situation, and hurtful to his fans (I was once one). I don't get defending Holly though - both of them are consenting adults at fault. The infidelity is one thing, but soliciting minors for sexual responses is another, if true.
 

Nanashrew

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I don't think people would disagree that soliciting/sending nudes to minors is far more heinous than cheating on your spouse, but that being said him cheating on his spouse is still shitty especially since he lied to his friends about the situation to try and make her seem like the bad guy.
It all extends to this stuff. His manipulation of her through his power and influence with others. Same tactics used when coercing fans, using manipulations and his power and influence over them.

Before Holly locked her account, she told her followers to not believe what strangers say online about the current situation, then said something along the lines of "you all know me, I'd never do anything to harm others", which are all immediate read flags after the allegations came up. That's using her influence in an attempt to cover up anything that may come to light.

EDIT: found the screencap from my friend.

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