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Metto

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I wonder if he offer something in return st least. Like buying her silence or something. Just demanding her to sign an NDA out of the good of her heart just like that is too dumb to fathom.
It's because she's incredibly patient and really wanted to make this work and of course the dumbass took advantage of it for as much as he could.

A while ago a fan stayed with them at a con and he saw a small morsel of the abuse Jared did to her even then and even after she told them what was going on she asked them to not share it yet because she hoped to save their marriage and make it work with him



On top of that around the time of this whole thing blowing over she still hopes that Jared would redeem himself and become a better person. Though this was maybe before the nudes and child porn stuff but it still says alot about her that she hopes that someway somehow he can become better and move beyond this




He really allowed himself to get put into a position to lose both her and his career. What an absolute dope
 

J_Atlas

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Though Holly is a full grown adult and responsible for her own actions, I do have to wonder how Jared roped her into all of this. If she does have major self-esteem problems, I kind of have to wonder if he was using the same tactics on her and using her vulnerabilities just like he has on everyone else who has spoken up so far.

To be what is essentially the only person defending him at the moment, she is either complicit, being manipulated, or likely both.

She might not end up in jail, but I think her career is largely over after this, as well.


According to Heidi in tweets, Holly was aggressively pursuing Jared, and actively worked to sabotage the marriage, Holly was a friend of Heidi's and knew the two were married, and thats messed up.
 
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Heidi seems just an incredibly patient and generous person that was exploited hard by someone who is entirely the opposite, God bless her
 

Champion

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Though Holly is a full grown adult and responsible for her own actions, I do have to wonder how Jared roped her into all of this. If she does have major self-esteem problems, I kind of have to wonder if he was using the same tactics on her and using her vulnerabilities just like he has on everyone else who has spoken up so far.
You dont get the benefit of the doubt or sympathy after sleeping with a friend's significant other. We could come up with hypothetical scenarios all day, but at the end of the day she's a piece of shit for that. The only reason her name isn't being dragged through the mud more is because of the way Jared went about this whole ordeal, the scathing blog, and the pedophile allegations.

Holly is an untrustworthy homewrecker that hides in the shadows when the truth comes out. Nobody outside of blood relatives should want to have any type of association with her after her actions.
 

Tokyo_Funk

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I'm glad there are at least a few people that find his cheating to be shitty, even though it pales in comparison to the pedo stuff. I have low trust of people who cheat, especially in marriages and don't have the guts to just face up to their partners and deal with it.
 

Jay_AD

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You dont get the benefit of the doubt or sympathy after sleeping with a friend's significant other. We could come up with hypothetical scenarios all day, but at the end of the day she's a piece of shit for that. The only reason her name isn't being dragged through the mud more is because of the way Jared went about this whole ordeal, the scathing blog, and the pedophile allegations.

Holly is an untrustworthy homewrecker that hides in the shadows when the truth comes out. Nobody outside of blood relatives should want to have any type of association with her after her actions.

Jared wrecked that home pretty thoroughly himself.

I'm a little uncomfortable with people going after Holly like they smelled blood in the water to be honest. There is a mountain of evidence about how particularly emotionally manipulative that dude is. Also that he was unfortunately kind of effective at it.

Dunno, maybe y'all are totally on the money, but I think it might be better to focus on the actual proven perpetrator here.
 

Jehuti

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Jared wrecked that home pretty thoroughly himself.

I'm a little uncomfortable with people going after Holly like they smelled blood in the water to be honest. There is a mountain of evidence about how particularly emotionally manipulative that dude is. Also that he was unfortunately kind of effective at it.

Dunno, maybe y'all are totally on the money, but I think it might be better to focus on the actual proven perpetrator here.
Except Holly & Heidi were both very good friends. Would you sleep with the partner of your very good friend? Do you think it takes a shitty person to do that? the same kind of shitty person who runs away to hide once the truth emerges and they release they cannot manipulate the situation.
 

SilentStorm

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Remember how Nick Robinson was exposed as a serial creep because the Switch port of Overcooked was bad?
The only good thing about that is that i only liked the stuff that he did with Griffin, and it was Griffin i liked the best and still like particularly after he stopped doing anything with Nick.

As far as i know, Griffin is still a really good boy who just happens to make monsters when he creates characters.
 

Eumi

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Jared wrecked that home pretty thoroughly himself.

I'm a little uncomfortable with people going after Holly like they smelled blood in the water to be honest. There is a mountain of evidence about how particularly emotionally manipulative that dude is. Also that he was unfortunately kind of effective at it.

Dunno, maybe y'all are totally on the money, but I think it might be better to focus on the actual proven perpetrator here.
In what possible version of events is Holly not a perpetrator?

How do you innocently fuck your friends husband?

Sure it pales in comparison to the shit Jared was doing, but what's the worth in downplaying that Holly's actions were incredibly shitty?

It is pure speculation that actively goes against what Heidi has stated to assume that she was manipulated or coerced into cheating or something. Are you actually getting that from anywhere?

The woman shouldn't be actively harassed of course, but I just don't get why anyone is trying to downplay her actions based on what we know. Especially considering the evidence that she passed the information on Jared's victims on to him against their will, which would actually make her complicit in the worst things that Jared has done.
 

Gaming_Groove

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Remember how Nick Robinson was exposed as a serial creep because the Switch port of Overcooked was bad?
It was a real bummer to see him turn out to be a creep. I used to watch him when he was part of Rev3 and appreciated that he would cover and talk about Bemani when virtually no one else in US games journalism would.

Creeps suck. Nick's behavior is something he should have had a harsh lesson on before he got out of High School...I know I did, and I still carry a significant amount of self-loathing into adulthood because of that.
 

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People, we live in a modern society, stoning for cheating ain't a thing anymore. Yeah, it's bad, we know, but it's not a crime. Let people atone those things away from attention. This is in general. Now about the fact that she told Jared about a victim...
 

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I am kinda flabbergasted that people focus more on cheating than the sexual stuff with minors.
If there is proof, he should be prosecuted.
 

trugs26

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Who gives a shit about cheating, or who slept with who. Those are just personal relationship problems or people being shitty. Nothing of our concern.

The discussion should sit firmly on his acts towards minors, followed by his grooming and abuse of power.
 

Jay_AD

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Except Holly & Heidi were both very good friends. Would you sleep with the partner of your very good friend? Do you think it takes a shitty person to do that? the same kind of shitty person who runs away to hide once the truth emerges and they release they cannot manipulate the situation.

Yeah. Sure. I also feel that it's not really any of my business to condemn a woman on the other side of the world for that.

Jared on the other hand preyed on and manipulated vulnerable people. He made a community that I am (very broadly) a part of less safe. I feel like it is a lot more important to focus on that aspect of it.
 

mrmickfran

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ClarkusDarkus

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Who gives a shit about cheating, or who slept with who. Those are just personal relationship problems or people being shitty. Nothing of our concern.

The discussion should sit firmly on his acts towards minors, followed by his grooming and abuse of power.
Pretty much this, Some posters even focused more on his skin colour than the actual fact his a paedophile and that should be the focus here.
 
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Here's the thing with the Holly situation. I can totally buy that Jared manipulated that situation to his advantage. BUT at the end of the day Holly knew he was still married to her friend. Yet she did it multiple times. And even now she offers "support" for Jared.

She shouldn't be thrown in jail but any flak she's getting is of her and Jared's own doing.

Now Jared needs to go to jail if he sent and received pics from underage fans.
 

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Holy shit this is fucked up. Wow
Dude is DONE!

Some posts in here are also weirding me out. You dont know these people, stop being so personally involved. Reads like a harlequin book discussion thread.
 

Francesco

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Jared wrecked that home pretty thoroughly himself.

I'm a little uncomfortable with people going after Holly like they smelled blood in the water to be honest. There is a mountain of evidence about how particularly emotionally manipulative that dude is. Also that he was unfortunately kind of effective at it.

Dunno, maybe y'all are totally on the money, but I think it might be better to focus on the actual proven perpetrator here.
Poor girl, she was emotionally induced into fucking her friend's husband for months!
The number of people defending this woman like this guy drugged her is astonishing.
 

orlock

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Yeah. Sure. I also feel that it's not really any of my business to condemn a woman on the other side of the world for that.

Jared on the other hand preyed on and manipulated vulnerable people. He made a community that I am (very broadly) a part of less safe. I feel like it is a lot more important to focus on that aspect of it.

youre absolutely right, and too many people (myself included, tbf) focused a little overmuch in the infidelity at first. the fact is, he shoule be castigated and held accountable for his abuse and sexual/emotional manipulation of minors, first, foremost, and only, full stop.

having said that, anyone with eyes in their head can see Holly's part - however small - in that and hold her accountable. the fact that some of the minor victims came forward to Holly and a few other trusted people with information and receipts about Jared's solicitation, only for Holly to turn around and feed that information to Jared without consent, is intrinsically linked to that aspect of this situation.

and as an aside, on the concept of emotional manipulation, something that seems lost in the torrent of all this is that Heidi has named Holly as the aggressor in the affair. its clear to me - however "Conspiracy Theorist" it seems - that if the above (Holly being an emotional lead/aggressor in the affair) is True, then it stands to reason that both she and Jared were actively working privately to perpetuate a narrative painting Heidi in a poor light - the idea that she was emotionally and mentally abusive to Jared, for one - (based on revelations of the way he discussed his marriage with confidants over the months) creating a foundation for what would be the endgame of their future relationship. that is just as emotionally manipulative as anything Jared did on his own to his other victims.
 

Maximo

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Jared wrecked that home pretty thoroughly himself.

I'm a little uncomfortable with people going after Holly like they smelled blood in the water to be honest. There is a mountain of evidence about how particularly emotionally manipulative that dude is. Also that he was unfortunately kind of effective at it.

Dunno, maybe y'all are totally on the money, but I think it might be better to focus on the actual proven perpetrator here.

Brah she wasn't tricked into thinking he wasn't married she knew, they were *friends* for as long time, the cheating was over several months over half a year supposedly. Silly to derail the thread yourself about Holly then say we should all focus on Jared.
 
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Feel like this thread might need to close, at least untl new information is brought up, it feels like we've moved from any meaningful conversation and we're now going into shitposting, honestly some borderline pro-Transphobia and anti-crossdressing territory and petty name calling.
 
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Minthara

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Here's the thing with the Holly situation. I can totally buy that Jared manipulated that situation to his advantage. BUT at the end of the day Holly knew he was still married to her friend. Yet she did it multiple times. And even now she offers "support" for Jared.

She shouldn't be thrown in jail but any flak she's getting is of her and Jared's own doing.

Now Jared needs to go to jail if he sent and received pics from underage fans.

If the accusations of her trying to silence victims is true, and any of those people were the underage victims he was preying on, she belongs under the jail right next to him.
 

Jakisthe

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Yeah. Sure. I also feel that it's not really any of my business to condemn a woman on the other side of the world for that.

Jared on the other hand preyed on and manipulated vulnerable people. He made a community that I am (very broadly) a part of less safe. I feel like it is a lot more important to focus on that aspect of it.
Really? It's not about whose business it might be, because it's real easy to put a homewrecker on blast even if they're the lesser of two evils here.

Cheating sucks. Being a homewrecker sucks. Child porn is orders of magnitude worse than the two of those combined - but that doesn't make the cheating part just unimpeachable and uncondemnable (and this is before even getting into the silencing stuff she was apparently doing). There are multiple bad things going on here.
 
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If the accusations of her trying to silence victims is true, and any of those people were the underage victims he was preying on, she belongs under the jail right next to him.

Thank you for saying this, the fact that people are totally ignoring how some evidence is pointing out that Holly tried to silenced the victims and shared their personal information with Jared is pretty jarring.
 

Eumi

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Thank you for saying this, the fact that people are totally ignoring how some evidence is pointing out that Holly tried to silenced the victims and shared their personal information with Jared is pretty jarring.
A lot of people are quick to condemn those discussing the cheating but completely omit the abuse of Heidi Jared was committing alongside it or Holly's potential involvement in Jared's predatory interactions with fans.

There's no split of "bad things we should discuss" and "bad things we can't", it's all interlinked. The only reason this thread has started discussing Holly and the affair so much recently is because of the sudden influx of people trying to downplay Jared's abuse as "none of our business".
 
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I question the legality of Holly's actions if she had been trying to silence Jared's victims.

I am not a lawyer or a man of the law so I don't know what she'd be charged with? Attempt to cover up a crime?

Another thing I don't get is why on earth did Holly not run to the hills when fans especially underage ones had come forward about the abuse? Did she just assume "fake news"/"Bitches want Jared's clout?"
 

Eumi

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I question the legality of Holly's actions if she had been trying to silence Jared's victims.

I am not a lawyer or a man of the law so I don't know what she'd be charged with? Attempt to cover up a crime?

Another thing I don't get is why on earth did Holly not run to the hills when fans especially underage ones had come forward about the abuse? Did she just assume "fake news"/"Bitches want Jared's clout?"
The simplest and most likely answer is just that she didn't care. And not necessarily in like, a Disney villain evil way, but more in a "well Jared wants to apologise to them so I'll let him deal with it" way.
 
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