Project Phoenix scammed us? Creative Intelegent Art Fraud?

Eylos

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#52
i remember this kickstart, had matsuno on It, wow i dodged a bullet

The team involved should talk about it or they are involved?

Edit wrong project
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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#53
Still not sure why I even backed this. It seemed like a neat thing to get in on the ground floor of, I guess.

I didn’t expect it to come out ever at this rate but this is still kinda shocking.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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#54
damn, i gave up a long time ago, telling myself that it's part of the game when you invest in kickstarter, you're not buying, you invest in something, there always a risk! Sometime the developper fail and he can just apologize, it happens...

but if this true, fuck him... anyway that we can do something through kickstarter? Report them or something? Guess it's pointless?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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#55
Oh, so this is different than that Phoenix Point game that looks like Xcom. I was really upset for a second.

That super sucks for those who gave their money away.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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#56
Curious to whether this is a backer who somehow got accessed to their Facebook, or legitimate post. The game did look promising so that's unfortunate.
 

Luchashaq

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#58
You just have to be smart about what you back. I've backed about 20 projects, this is the only project I regret backing (for obvious reasons)
I've backed a dozen (5 games) and only been happy with one result. I'm done with crowd funding.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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#59
Oh, so this is different than that Phoenix Point game that looks like Xcom. I was really upset for a second.

That super sucks for those who gave their money away.
Phoenix Point seems like a safe bet, Julian Gollop has ton of experience making strategy games of various budgets, they had a previous successful campaign that launched the game when they said it would, their stretch goals weren't crazy. It will be released, maybe a little later but it's safe.


Also Phoenix Point doesn't just look like X-COM, it's being directed by the creator of the original X-COM.
 

Al3x1s

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#61
Smells like facebook account hack to me. There are other avenues for an ex employee to expose something like that surely, like going to the media with his face, proof he worked for these guys, etc., or at least just his own personal facebook account, blog, whatever, rather than this pissing contest where he posts something, it gets deleted, he reposts, or whatever is happening. He posted his supposed name anyway so it's not like he's scared of consequences and wants to remain hidden, he would do this if he wanted. Even if this is really the guy, why only go on record after being fired or whatever happened rather than as soon as he found out about this (unless this "two months after being hired" and "worked there until recently" coincide exactly of course)? If he's just doing it to get back at them for being fired he deserves as much flack as the rest of them regardless of being the one to reveal this, if true. I guess it's meant to be this Tariq https://twitter.com/oatscurry https://www.facebook.com/tariqlacy ? Also, why wouldn't they do a campaign for the actual thing they wanted to fund over something imaginary? Tiny Metal looks pretty good and I'm sure they could have made a nice kickstarter campaign for an Advance Wars style game that would probably get funded, why go to the trouble and potential danger? I don't get it.
 
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#63
I thought we already knew this? Wasn't there such a revelation last year or the one before? Or am I confusing this with another thing?
 
Oct 30, 2017
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#64
WTF , my $150.

This is one of the most fucking scam i face myself. I got dump by KS creator several times until i notice it is mistake to trust random people , if I add this case, it will be well over $300+ ! I lose : (

Even Inafking get his gut to finish his project. it's better than nothing.
 
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MistaTwo

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Oct 24, 2017
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#67
Curious to whether this is a backer who somehow got accessed to their Facebook, or legitimate post. The game did look promising so that's unfortunate.
I've met Tariq a few times, and can confirm he is in the JP games industry.
I didn't know he was connected to Tiny Metal until seeing this post.

Major props to him for exposing this (assuming its true which I don't doubt), as even though he is doing the right thing this could easily get him branded here.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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#68
This is why I've always been wary of Kickstarter, seen so many of them of them that just amount to nothing. Really sucks for all the backers though.

Yeah no doubt many other Kickstarter companies did the same exact thing just not been exposed yet
Yeah, really got to wonder. I'm sure there's more out there. Still wonder where the The Stomping Land devs ran off too.
 
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#69
I'm really disappointed in this because this was my first Kickstarter backing and had reliable dev team from Square Enix and even got Nobuo Uematsu on board. Never trust a Kickstarter.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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#70
Recent headphone maker Zolo released a cheaper version of the same headphones on Amazon before any backers got theirs. My wife is pissssssssed.
Damn deservedly so I'd be pissed af with that company to screw over the first ones who believed and supported their shit and giving other customers the better treatment, im pretty sure I heard a similar story like that with other Kickstarter shit too that's fucked.
This is why I've always been wary of Kickstarter, seen so many of them of them that just amount to nothing. Really sucks for all the backers though.



Yeah, really got to wonder. I'm sure there's more out there. Still wonder where the The Stomping Land devs ran off too.
If someone who used to or currently works there leaks the deets that'd be the only way to know
 
Oct 25, 2017
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#71
I'm really disappointed in this because this was my first Kickstarter backing and had reliable dev team from Square Enix and even got Nobuo Uematsu on board. Never trust a Kickstarter.
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Eylos

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#73
I'm really disappointed in this because this was my first Kickstarter backing and had reliable dev team from Square Enix and even got Nobuo Uematsu on board. Never trust a Kickstarter.
Yeah, im really curious to what matsuno, Sakamoto etc would talk about this. Because their name was used to sell this.

Edit: wrong project
 
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Oct 27, 2017
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#74
I believe it. This project always seemed shady as fuck from the beginning to me.

Tiny Metal looks good too, it's a pity that it was made in such a way.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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#75
Damn this sucks. Only backed it for $20(only KS I have spent substantial money on is Bloodstained for $125) but this is really shitty if true. Luckily most of the KS I've backed have actually released(only Soul Saga, Heart Forth, Alicia and Bloodstained are yet to come out) but this kind of thing really hurts others.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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#77
Yeah, what’s up with that? I can’t expand any quoted image on mobile.

I’m not even sure why the OP would quote images that haven’t been used in the thread before. The forum software will automatically shrink them if they’re too big.
THIS THIS THIS. People are bringing old posting habits over from The Bad Place that aren't needed and don't work very well on this forum software.

Stop putting your images in quotes!
 
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#79
Yeah, what’s up with that? I can’t expand any quoted image on mobile.

I’m not even sure why the OP would quote images that haven’t been used in the thread before. The forum software will automatically shrink them if they’re too big.
Ah, appologies, I removed the quote... They actually blew up for me, but if noone has an issue Its fine with me.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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#80
i remember this kickstart, had matsuno on It, wow i dodged a bullet

The team involved should talk about it or they are involved?
Yeah, im really curious to what matsuno, Sakamoto etc would talk about this. Because their name was used to sell this.

*Nobuo is not there
You're mixing this game up with Untold Story. Which had also the same feel, but at least it doesn't seem to be a full scam like this one is.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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#81
Couple posters tying Project Phoenix to Matsuno. I thought he was only tied to that OTHER failed Kickstarter (Unsung Story) and not this one?

Edit: ^ beaten
 
Oct 27, 2017
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#84
As a backer I pretty much resigned myself, a long time ago, to have burned $100 on nothing. I just wish I would stop getting updates on this fucking nonsense, just come out and say the game isn't ever coming out or admit to scamming people, at this point no one is going to care either way.
What sucks is, as a backer of other projects in general, I've kinda accepted that Kickstarter is just a crapshoot. Who the hell knows what is happening with the money? (I put $400+ into Camelot Unchained, that's still years away, if it ever manifests as more than just a Mark Jacobs pipedream.)
 
Oct 25, 2017
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#86
Wow, did he actually used the official Project Phoenix account to post this?

And how about Tiny Metal? The game is going to be affected by this reveal.

I was so looking forward to Tiny Metal.
 
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On their site they said they got Nobuo Uematsu:

"Finally, our art team is furiously working on the landscapes and character art that bring the world of Azuregard to life while our composers, including Nobuo Uematsu, complement the artists’ efforts by using the power of music to immerse you into the setting."
 
Oct 25, 2017
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#92
On their site they said they got Nobuo Uematsu:

"Finally, our art team is furiously working on the landscapes and character art that bring the world of Azuregard to life while our composers, including Nobuo Uematsu, complement the artists’ efforts by using the power of music to immerse you into the setting."
Where is the "reliable team from S-E" though? Uematsu is a freelance contractor, anyone can pay him to make music, or sign a contract promising to pay him, and say they "got" him. The actual dev team? There was none. The director and guy who led the Kickstarter is a violinist/music producer who has zero experience in game development. They couldn't even name most of the "team" they claimed they had. No programmer, no game designers, just a few artists who worked on a number of projects on a freelance basis.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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#99
From the Kickstarter comments:
TINY METAL Programmer 2 minutes ago
Calm down guys, we had an ex-employee who it turns out has made a career of sweet-talking his way into jobs he is not qualified for. After causing months of pain for everyone in the office we bit the bullet and bought out his contract. Afterwards I heard from people he worked with in past companies that he has been fired from about 5-7 game companies so far.

After he was let go with a generous severance package (about 3 months salary, money he did not earn by any definition of the word). He then turned around and stopped paying his rent thus trying to extract more money from us. So when he claims Project Phoenix money was used in TINY METAL keep in mind the truth is everyone except him has worked hard and at times with zero pay to be able to get investment for TINY METAL for the exact reason that we never used Project Phoenix money for TINY METAL. In fact other employees lent him money and had their own paychecks delayed so he could be paid on time.

Likewise when he writes "I left" the truth is "I was fired 3 months ago and am only writing these lies now because I want the company I barely contributed to, to pay my rent while I go on holidays to America with my severance package instead of paying the rent I owe".
https://www.kickstarter.com/project...nix-japans-indie-rpg-feat-aaa-talent/comments
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I got scammed so hard on this lmao.

Never kickstarting anything ever again.
This is exactly why I only back books and board games. 80% of the work is already done, they just need money to print the material and ship it to the backers. The Kickstarter model becomes way more risky when you throw in all the complications of software development.