Project Phoenix scammed us? Creative Intelegent Art Fraud?

Discussion in 'Video Games' started by Aurizen, Nov 19, 2017.

  1. Zippedpinhead

    Zippedpinhead Member

    #51
    I guess I’m not getting tiny metal this week...

    So playdek and Area 35, congrats you’re already dead
     
  2. Eylos

    Eylos Member

    #52
    i remember this kickstart, had matsuno on It, wow i dodged a bullet

    The team involved should talk about it or they are involved?

    Edit wrong project
     
  3. deepFlaw

    deepFlaw Member

    #53
    Still not sure why I even backed this. It seemed like a neat thing to get in on the ground floor of, I guess.

    I didn’t expect it to come out ever at this rate but this is still kinda shocking.
     
  4. Kain-Nosgoth

    Kain-Nosgoth Member

    #54
    damn, i gave up a long time ago, telling myself that it's part of the game when you invest in kickstarter, you're not buying, you invest in something, there always a risk! Sometime the developper fail and he can just apologize, it happens...

    but if this true, fuck him... anyway that we can do something through kickstarter? Report them or something? Guess it's pointless?
     
  5. CloseTalker

    CloseTalker Member

    #55
    Oh, so this is different than that Phoenix Point game that looks like Xcom. I was really upset for a second.

    That super sucks for those who gave their money away.
     
  6. Jamie

    Jamie Member

    #56
    Curious to whether this is a backer who somehow got accessed to their Facebook, or legitimate post. The game did look promising so that's unfortunate.
     
  7. ChrisD

    ChrisD Member

    #57
    You can pinch-zoom into photos. The picture clarity doesn't blur, which is great.
     
  8. Luchashaq

    Luchashaq Member

    #58
    I've backed a dozen (5 games) and only been happy with one result. I'm done with crowd funding.
     
  9. Adnor

    Adnor Member

    #59
    Phoenix Point seems like a safe bet, Julian Gollop has ton of experience making strategy games of various budgets, they had a previous successful campaign that launched the game when they said it would, their stretch goals weren't crazy. It will be released, maybe a little later but it's safe.


    Also Phoenix Point doesn't just look like X-COM, it's being directed by the creator of the original X-COM.
     
  10. #60
    Yeah no doubt many other Kickstarter companies did the same exact thing just not been exposed yet
     
  11. Al3x1s

    Al3x1s Member

    #61
    Smells like facebook account hack to me. There are other avenues for an ex employee to expose something like that surely, like going to the media with his face, proof he worked for these guys, etc., or at least just his own personal facebook account, blog, whatever, rather than this pissing contest where he posts something, it gets deleted, he reposts, or whatever is happening. He posted his supposed name anyway so it's not like he's scared of consequences and wants to remain hidden, he would do this if he wanted. Even if this is really the guy, why only go on record after being fired or whatever happened rather than as soon as he found out about this (unless this "two months after being hired" and "worked there until recently" coincide exactly of course)? If he's just doing it to get back at them for being fired he deserves as much flack as the rest of them regardless of being the one to reveal this, if true. I guess it's meant to be this Tariq https://twitter.com/oatscurry https://www.facebook.com/tariqlacy ? Also, why wouldn't they do a campaign for the actual thing they wanted to fund over something imaginary? Tiny Metal looks pretty good and I'm sure they could have made a nice kickstarter campaign for an Advance Wars style game that would probably get funded, why go to the trouble and potential danger? I don't get it.
     
  12. Heartskips

    Heartskips Member

    #62
    And somehow it's always the japanese-games-are-dead guys who do this.
     
  13. AuthenticM

    AuthenticM Member

    #63
    I thought we already knew this? Wasn't there such a revelation last year or the one before? Or am I confusing this with another thing?
     
  14. Fiel

    Fiel Member

    #64
    WTF , my $150.

    This is one of the most fucking scam i face myself. I got dump by KS creator several times until i notice it is mistake to trust random people , if I add this case, it will be well over $300+ ! I lose : (

    Even Inafking get his gut to finish his project. it's better than nothing.
     
  15. duckroll

    duckroll Member

    #65
    Easier to exploit feelings and make vague promises than to actually have experience and an honest vision tho.
     
  16. Luchashaq

    Luchashaq Member

    #66
    Recent headphone maker Zolo released a cheaper version of the same headphones on Amazon before any backers got theirs. My wife is pissssssssed.
     
  17. MistaTwo

    MistaTwo SNK Gaming Division Studio 1 Verified User

    #67
    I've met Tariq a few times, and can confirm he is in the JP games industry.
    I didn't know he was connected to Tiny Metal until seeing this post.

    Major props to him for exposing this (assuming its true which I don't doubt), as even though he is doing the right thing this could easily get him branded here.
     
  18. Pancoar

    Pancoar Member

    #68
    This is why I've always been wary of Kickstarter, seen so many of them of them that just amount to nothing. Really sucks for all the backers though.

    Yeah, really got to wonder. I'm sure there's more out there. Still wonder where the The Stomping Land devs ran off too.
     
  19. Aurizen

    Aurizen Member Original Poster

    #69
    I'm really disappointed in this because this was my first Kickstarter backing and had reliable dev team from Square Enix and even got Nobuo Uematsu on board. Never trust a Kickstarter.
     
  20. #70
    Damn deservedly so I'd be pissed af with that company to screw over the first ones who believed and supported their shit and giving other customers the better treatment, im pretty sure I heard a similar story like that with other Kickstarter shit too that's fucked.
    If someone who used to or currently works there leaks the deets that'd be the only way to know
     
  21. duckroll

    duckroll Member

    #71
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  22. Xita

    Xita Member

    #72
    Damn wtf. Had a bad feeling about the Kickstarter for years but there it is.
     
  23. Eylos

    Eylos Member

    #73
    Yeah, im really curious to what matsuno, Sakamoto etc would talk about this. Because their name was used to sell this.

    Edit: wrong project
     
  24. Emka

    Emka Member

    #74
    I believe it. This project always seemed shady as fuck from the beginning to me.

    Tiny Metal looks good too, it's a pity that it was made in such a way.
     
  25. Stider

    Stider Member

    #75
    Damn this sucks. Only backed it for $20(only KS I have spent substantial money on is Bloodstained for $125) but this is really shitty if true. Luckily most of the KS I've backed have actually released(only Soul Saga, Heart Forth, Alicia and Bloodstained are yet to come out) but this kind of thing really hurts others.
     
  26. K.Jack

    K.Jack Member

    #76
    Something something Aliens: Colonial Marines yadda yadda yadda
     
  27. skullmuffins

    skullmuffins Member

    #77
    THIS THIS THIS. People are bringing old posting habits over from The Bad Place that aren't needed and don't work very well on this forum software.

    Stop putting your images in quotes!
     
  28. Ladioss

    Ladioss Member

    #78
    Nah; just Sega being Sega ;p
     
  29. Aurizen

    Aurizen Member Original Poster

    #79
    Ah, appologies, I removed the quote... They actually blew up for me, but if noone has an issue Its fine with me.
     
  30. KoolAid

    KoolAid Member

    #80
    You're mixing this game up with Untold Story. Which had also the same feel, but at least it doesn't seem to be a full scam like this one is.
     
  31. Joshua

    Joshua Member

    #81
    Couple posters tying Project Phoenix to Matsuno. I thought he was only tied to that OTHER failed Kickstarter (Unsung Story) and not this one?

    Edit: ^ beaten
     
  32. Eylos

    Eylos Member

    #82
  33. LordGorchnik

    LordGorchnik Member

    #83
    Easily the worst $120 I ever spent. Lessons learned though. Havent kickstarted anything in a long time now.
     
  34. 3n3rgy

    3n3rgy Member

    #84
    What sucks is, as a backer of other projects in general, I've kinda accepted that Kickstarter is just a crapshoot. Who the hell knows what is happening with the money? (I put $400+ into Camelot Unchained, that's still years away, if it ever manifests as more than just a Mark Jacobs pipedream.)
     
  35. Echo

    Echo Member

    #85
    Uh, I was really looking forward to Tiny Metal, but now I am ultra conflicted about supporting a team like this... wtf.
     
  36. texhnolyze

    texhnolyze Member

    #86
    Wow, did he actually used the official Project Phoenix account to post this?

    And how about Tiny Metal? The game is going to be affected by this reveal.

    I was so looking forward to Tiny Metal.
     
  37. LightEntite

    LightEntite Member

    #87
    i was thinking the same thing, even though i dont think i have a strong basis for it.

    wonder why that is.
     
  38. Aurizen

    Aurizen Member Original Poster

    #88
    On their site they said they got Nobuo Uematsu:

    "Finally, our art team is furiously working on the landscapes and character art that bring the world of Azuregard to life while our composers, including Nobuo Uematsu, complement the artists’ efforts by using the power of music to immerse you into the setting."
     
  39. Tsuyu

    Tsuyu Member

    #89
    That's it, I'm buying tiny metals now.
     
  40. K.Jack

    K.Jack Member

    #90
    No. that definitely boiled down to Gearbox working on Borderlands 2, while Sega was paying them to create Aliens.
     
  41. OniBaka

    OniBaka Community Resettler Member

    #91
    Phew, thought it was something I would had backed. Proud of my past self.
     
  42. duckroll

    duckroll Member

    #92
    Where is the "reliable team from S-E" though? Uematsu is a freelance contractor, anyone can pay him to make music, or sign a contract promising to pay him, and say they "got" him. The actual dev team? There was none. The director and guy who led the Kickstarter is a violinist/music producer who has zero experience in game development. They couldn't even name most of the "team" they claimed they had. No programmer, no game designers, just a few artists who worked on a number of projects on a freelance basis.
     
  43. papercamm

    papercamm Member

    #93
    God dammit. I always suspected, but god dammit
     
  44. SliceSabre

    SliceSabre Member

    #94
    I got scammed so hard on this lmao.

    Never kickstarting anything ever again.
     
  45. Zerokoolpsx

    Zerokoolpsx Member

    #95
    This sucks for the backers. That's money down the drain. I'd be wary to ever back anything again after this too.
     
  46. Leafhopper

    Leafhopper Member

    #96
    I... even when I want someone else to make Advance Wars I can't have it because it's shady dealings.
     
  47. Ladioss

    Ladioss Member

    #97
    I know. What I meant is, when dealing with scammers, part of the responsability of the deal lies with you.
     
  48. #98
    I put $20-$25 in this game (whatever the lowest tier was for beta access) but I hate this kind of crap in KS.
     
  49. Aarglefarg

    Aarglefarg Member

    #99
    From the Kickstarter comments:
    https://www.kickstarter.com/project...nix-japans-indie-rpg-feat-aaa-talent/comments
     
  50. Wulfric

    Wulfric Member

    This is exactly why I only back books and board games. 80% of the work is already done, they just need money to print the material and ship it to the backers. The Kickstarter model becomes way more risky when you throw in all the complications of software development.