Discussion in 'Video Games' started by Aurizen, Nov 19, 2017.
Yura posted this on the steam community for Tiny Metal.
And i was hyped about tiny metal.
If it really was a case of one disgruntled employee trying to cause trouble then he has caused major damage to the sales of tiny metal.
I can't imagine that the developers would want this to go to court in any case but if it means the people that funded the original game get answers then that's great for them.
I still think anyone that backed the game has been scammed and will never see hide nor hair of anything because that money is gone and is attached to something entirely different or worse they just pocketed most of the money for themselves. I also hope that Tiny Metal fails miserably and Yura never has a chance to produce a game ever again in his life.
Going nuclear on that guy doesn't exactly paint a good image of Yura and his projects IMO.
But if this is true why even create the Kickstarter for that game if they intended to make another?
Maybe not funds, but the entire fucking development studio got shifted to TM? "The money isn't lost yet" is really the primary takeaway from his statement. It's been almost 5 fucking years, so I don't fucking have any goodwill and rather belief the employer who has nothing to gain from making these claims.
I still want my money back. I feel they given up or just don't care for the game anymore. How did they just make a game years after they set out to do this one? Either they give everyone who backed it their money back or devote their entire time to make the game and bump the rewards up one tier or two. I contributed a decent amount to this game. Its saddening to see this.
I am going to do some severe mental gymnastics about this, so bear with me:
The only way Mr. Yura is telling the truth, is that he burned through all the money from the KS, as he probably didn't do a good estimate about the game's cost. So, he found external investors, but they weren't willing to approve the money he requested, so he settled for less, and he, or his team or whatever came up with Tiny Metal, as proof they can actually deliver the game.
As for Mr. Lacy, well, probably he is telling the truth about Yura asking him to mask some of the losses. But dunno, Mr. Yura saying that the other guy harassed people on the workplay its a very delicate subject.
He has a rather long winded version of that in the interview, but that about sums it up.
He never addressed the fact they let the KS languish and never provided updates, and just moved on and started Tiny Metal without letting backers know. He's pretty dismissive in general in the above interview.
"We could actually deliver with a bit more programming"
I heard that sentence so often when I was a programmer, coming from people who generally have no idea what they were talking about, this "bit more" always ended up being a time consuming mess.
I have honestly no idea about how he managed the project but these words just add to the pile of arguments that Yura clearly don't seem to know much about what programming involve and how hard it is.
I don't know why I even bother to check thus thread when if gets bumped, I only get mad afterwards
I think this has to be the most comprehensive* and relatively unbiased read on the situation, complete with quotes and linkbacks to relevant articles and Kickstarter updates.
*at least, as it pertains strictly to Tiny Metal and Project Phoenix; no mention of the other stuff CIA has been working on in the interim such as Under the Dog (Kinema Citrus subsequently had a falling out with Yura over that Kickstarter) and the various music projects CIA has worked on. This makes the statement from the article "and the man behind Project Phoenix has since moved on to another project altogether, a strategy game called Tiny Metal" a little bit reductionist.
No updates since November.
So glad I got out of this when I did - bad gut feeling from it all.
Im just here for the ride at this point.
I think I donated....literally one dollar for this. I had to choose to drop a large amount of money in either this or Shantae: Half-Genie Hero. I'm so freaking glad I chose Shantae.
Then again it wasn't really a tough decision...
posted just over two weeks ago that they have an official apology from Tariq and will take about two weeks to post an update about the situation (but i guess just like project phoenix and tiny metal multiplayer the time estimate here doesn't mean much lolo)
Just a couple days ago someone called out the 'btw please help my friend's project!' shenanigans, waiting to see how this pans out.
edit: for posterity in case something happens to the thread itself.
There is an update on this matter:
Tiny Metal Dispute Settled With Former Employee Admitting Embezzlement Allegations "Contrary to the Truth"
On the accusations:
There's been an update on the Kickstarter as well.
Guess I should be happy Project Phoenix is just a really badly managed project as opposed to straight up a scam?
What a strange and sad state of affairs
At this point, they should just admit failure instead of spinning people along for several years. Let people move on instead of continuing this charade.
Wow, I legit forgot I backed this. Must've still been in school at the time.
Well, at this point I’ve stopped caring. This is sad.
I don’t know how they’ll even start to work on this game, Yura was busy making another.
And I backed it for an effing Vita version lol
Question: are there any recourses backers have when they get scammed like this? Chargebacks?
So we're relying on projects like Tiny Metal to fund this game? Cool.
See y'all in 20xx.
Ah yes, this project makes me look at Nobuo Uematsu in a different light.
For $5k, you would think he would compose something for you at this point.
I thought this necro-bump would have an update to the status of this game.
But I guess not.