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PS4 Firmware 6.50 is out. Remote Play on iOS devices. X/O confirm button can be swapped
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Touchscreen remote play is super useful for a lot of games. I actually played the witness on my iPad this way back at release using a PC and moonlight. Used to play some JRPGs that way too.
Can a DS4 be paired with an iPhone at all? Wouldn't it have to specifically support Apple's controller protocol or something? That's not something the app can get around. It's not like on Android where you can pretty much pair any generic Bluetooth controller.
The problem is, no one buys Xperia. I don't know why Sony limit the approval their own unsuccessful smartphones on android.
On the other hand. The PS4 remote play is just a little extra that people try for a short amount of time and than forget about it. It's just not very good.
There may have been many reasons for stopping support on those specific clients, but a philosophical objection to generic device support was not among them, given that they then went on to support it on PC.
It'll happen.
Thanks for this. The interface looks nice at least, and I'm glad the analog sticks are 'floating' rather than fixed.
That ppl thought Sony wouldn't or couldn't expand their services is the funny part.
Just like they are doing with PSNow.
you can increase the resolution (720p if base ps4, 1080p if ps4pro) and the framerate in the options, for me it didnt cause any lag as well.
Two quick screen.Standard 540p screen. I can say that it play pretty well, playing on IOS on Ipad Air 2!
Bah. I would have loved an option like this to force my Asian/JP imports to use X as confirm...
Is there no way to connect remotely over LTE? If so, this is unfortunately quite useless. I thought maybe I could find a viable option for playing on the subway, as Vita remote play is unusable. Alas, I will continue to play portable games on my portables.
Tested it this morning with an iPad Pro 9.7 and a iPhone XS, and worked well with my MFi controller, I could even play Call of Duty campaign decently.
I'm connected wired through a powerline adapter from my PS4 Pro to Google WiFi router, fyi, and using 720p 60fps options in the app to reduce stuttering
I'm connected wired through a powerline adapter from my PS4 Pro to Google WiFi router, fyi, and using 720p 60fps options in the app to reduce stuttering
Nice!
Two quick screen.Standard 540p screen. I can say that it play pretty well, playing on IOS on Ipad Air 2!
Being able to change my Japanese PS4 from Circle to Cross for confirm is going to be ace. No more confusion when going between English games and the XMB.
A few things -
a) There is no way the Dual Shock 4 will ever be updated to pair with an iOS device, unless Apple radically reworks iOS. It isn't possible to update devices to MFi retrospectively, they have to ship with a hardware based cert on the device, and Apple block all non-MFi devices on iOS. Those of us who note iOS is a huge con to extract licensing fees compared to a proper OS aren't kidding about that bit y'know. Even then, it wouldn't work especially well without changes to iOS's Bluetooth stack.
b) Sony could enable non-Dual Shock MFi controllers in the app, but ultimately they wouldn't have a touchpad and simply wouldn't work sometimes. I don't expect them to do that for this reason.
c) Similarly, one of the reasons the Remote Play app is locked to Xperia devices is because Dual Shock 4 controllers paired to non-Xperia devices don't really work, and it's not fixable without root. Of note is that the Android Q codebase includes commits (from Sony) to fix support for pairing Dual Shock 4's to all Android Q devices, so I suspect that means that Remote Play app will probably be released for non-Xperia devices later this year, but it'll probably be limited to Android Q and above.
d) The one exception to c) is that Sony's own Android TV's can pair a Dual Shock properly today, so if Sony's reading they could release that Remote Play app now so I could remote play into the other room, *hint hint Sony*.
a) There is no way the Dual Shock 4 will ever be updated to pair with an iOS device, unless Apple radically reworks iOS. It isn't possible to update devices to MFi retrospectively, they have to ship with a hardware based cert on the device, and Apple block all non-MFi devices on iOS. Those of us who note iOS is a huge con to extract licensing fees compared to a proper OS aren't kidding about that bit y'know. Even then, it wouldn't work especially well without changes to iOS's Bluetooth stack.
b) Sony could enable non-Dual Shock MFi controllers in the app, but ultimately they wouldn't have a touchpad and simply wouldn't work sometimes. I don't expect them to do that for this reason.
c) Similarly, one of the reasons the Remote Play app is locked to Xperia devices is because Dual Shock 4 controllers paired to non-Xperia devices don't really work, and it's not fixable without root. Of note is that the Android Q codebase includes commits (from Sony) to fix support for pairing Dual Shock 4's to all Android Q devices, so I suspect that means that Remote Play app will probably be released for non-Xperia devices later this year, but it'll probably be limited to Android Q and above.
d) The one exception to c) is that Sony's own Android TV's can pair a Dual Shock properly today, so if Sony's reading they could release that Remote Play app now so I could remote play into the other room, *hint hint Sony*.
Well at least the second user workaround still works and you can blend out the touch buttons, so I can use the DS4 normally while its connected to my PS4. Its not like I would use this feature outside of my home anyway, so its all good for me.
which controller are you using? I wanna play FFXIV in bed!
oh! I'll do this then
You can't use a DualShock with this? Why? That defeats the whole point. Screw trying to use touchscreen controls that's horrendous
Edit: sorry unintentional double post
Thanks for all that clarification.
I guess they could get a future DS5 certified for use with iOS PS streaming apps, but the touch interface seems to be the best compromise for now.
Based on your info about Android Q commits from Sony, I guess the app will come to Android generally soon, with the touch interface, and dualshock support for Q onward.
Mindwipe explains the situation well, above.
That said, even if robust controller support was possible, a touch based fallback would always be desirable.
us westerners have the superior configuration, thus us not needing that update
In accessability options, you can force X to be O and vise versa... it's rough but it works.
As a primarily Nintendo player, this update sounded amazing until I found out it's only for Asian region ps4's. WHY
Nope, that's an iOS-level restriction.
I wonder if you can use an MFi controller (like the Steelseries Nimbus) with the remote play app. It's not ideal (missing the touchpad, share, L3, and R3 buttons), but it's better than nothing.
On screen controls. You can't pair a Dualshock with an iOS device without a jailbroken phone/tablet.
I'm sure the 3 people who own Xperias are really happy to have an exclusive anything.
the funny thing for me is that I actually have an Xperia Z2 ( and I love it actually, best phone I ever had), but because I'm using a custom ROM the restriction stopped me from downloading the app from the play store
The DS5 being certified also seems unlikely tbh, unless Sony are able to cut a bespoke deal with Apple.
MFi licensing is *expensive* (though less expensive than it used to be). It would almost certainly require paying Apple a royalty on every single PS5 and Dual Shock 5 sold, and I would put the odds of Sony agreeing to that for a fairly unused feature at zero.
I suppose it's possible that future iOS versions will relax the MFi requirement for iPad Pros with USB-C, or that the DS5 might have a standard bluetooth HID controller fallback profile and Sony will tell devs not to outright require the touchpad, but I certainly wouldn't put money on either of those.
Yeah, that's a plausible scenario.
That's not the same at all, e.g. for a game like FF XV where only part of the controls were swapped per region.
It's also worth noting that the Android Q commit has a comment underneath from a Google engineer saying they haven't decided if they'll accept it yet, so it is absolutely not a given that this will be fixed in Android Q. Though Google would come across as especially dickish if they did not, that does seem to be their attitude nowadays.
EDIT: Actually, there's a comment at the bottom underneath which makes it look like enough agreement has been reached that it is in Android Q, and that "Playstation apps" will be released "in the Android Q timeframe."
https://android-review.googlesource.com/c/platform/hardware/libhardware/+/571762
EDIT: Actually, there's a comment at the bottom underneath which makes it look like enough agreement has been reached that it is in Android Q, and that "Playstation apps" will be released "in the Android Q timeframe."
https://android-review.googlesource.com/c/platform/hardware/libhardware/+/571762
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Yea, no stability makes the update pretty much worthless.
Just look at Nintendo's updates. So much stability!
The X/O Swap is cool, though. But I assume it only works in the home menu, not in games, right? Would make it too confusing to use.
Edit: Wait what? Only for Japan? Laaaaame. No Stability, no Button Swap. Worthless update.
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How does the app work around buttons not available on the MFi controller? Is the touch interface still available?
Hmmmm ok, good, better than nothing, I know that a few Mifipads have L3/R3 but it's not a necessity for all games. I read that R- Play (the paid app) can use DS4 but only with local streaming. I will try to let the PS4 turned on and remotely play far away from my home, just to test !