Went after? Huh? That's not going after."Followed up on that?" You didn't edit your original false claim, and in fact, you went after another poster that corrected you.
It's just another example of bad-faith posting.
The PS4 sold out immediately at $199 this black friday. People were going crazy over those spidey bundles and they were quickly impossible to find.
edit: remember this infamous photo:
I agree. Same OS, but upgraded features and UI.The PS4 and PS5 will run the same "OS", there's no way they're going scrap and require everyone to recreate all their streaming apps and services for a new platform.
Man you really have an axe to grind with me huh, cause I've called you out? It's time to either stop reaching or stop posting.Where are you getting this information? Boosted by BC? Huh? Automatically upgraded at a system level? LOL
All the Xbox 360 games being made BC compatible on Xbox One require a significant amount of work and you are just assuming with the PS5 BC titles will automatically look and run better? Sounds like wishful thinking.
I can't see Sony not selling updated PS4 games on the PS5 with better textures or additional features. Why would they want someone to buy TLoU2 or Uncharted 4 for $5-$10 when they could sell a new updated copy for $30 or $40?
Is there any other game than Bloodborne (as others have mentioned, is not even a valid example) to base this on? Not a very convincing argument.PC games are, sure. But are PS4 games? I doubt it. Maybe the upcoming games (maybe), but I don't think already released games are. If so, why does Bloodborne perform worse on the Pro in boost mode? We will surely see remasters early in the PS5 life to help bolster the lineup.
I would agree. I recall that about 1/3 of PS2's sales occurred after the PS3 was released. They were able to take advantage of a cheap system and the fact that PS3 sales started off poorly, but PS4 is not going to become as cheap as PS2 and PS5 is going to sell strongly out of the gate. Plus, it's true that a lot of people bought the PS2 for a DVD player, and Xbox was just starting at that time and didn't sell very well, while Nintendo was at its then low point with the Gamecube.
I hope not, that would be so boringggg. There are so many improvements I'd like to see on PS4's UI (such as having a grid interface for games in folders), but with 6.0 being very underwhelming I don't see Sony focusing much on exciting new firmware for the rest of the gen, and more on the games. I see what you mean though. It wouldn't surprise me if that approach appeals to Sony for not having to put extra effort into making things look fresh for a new device, especially if it makes things easier for developers as well.I really don't think the UI will change much/at all between PS4 and PS5. PlayStation is going to be 1 unified architecture hardware/software going forward. Difference being only how well games run and some titles requiring a PS5.
This is so developers don't have to worry about supporting a "PS4" version of their game/app and a PS5 version– it'll be the same version running on both (much like how iOS works).
Which wouldn't be a problem if it's lifespan is as long as PS2's. And that's not even necessary. PS4 sells 18.320.000 units per year average. PS2 went on for 13 years and sold 158.000.000. That's 12.153.846 average. So PS4 is outselling PS2 if you take the yearly average amount of units.
PS4 would need another 66.400.000 to match PS2 sales. With 18.320.000 they can achieve that within less than 4 years. To be precise, it would need 3,62 years to get to 158 million. I know this is very rough and one year isn't the other, but these are interesting numbers.
In other words, if PS2 would have sold as much as PS4 average yearly, it would've been sold 238.160.000. ;-)
I think this is possible, especially if a lot of games are cross gen with PS5. I could see Sony keeping the PS4 around for suuuuper cheap for a long time after the PS5 comes out- especially if they share the a big portion of their libraries. Most Indy games don't need the power of a PS5, so there's no use forcing people to upgrade just to be able to play them.
Sell the PS4 for $99, the PS4 Pro for $249 and the PS5 for $399.
I know :)
I look forward to the day when PS4 becomes the best selling console in history and the resulting implosion of Era. Lol
Thanks for all of your replies, you guys make me think it's actually possible for PS4 to actually match or even outsell PS2.
Interesting numbers BTW!
I think PS4 will surpass 130M.
2019 - 16M (107.6M) - 2M
2020 - 12M (118.6M) - 4M
2021 - 09M (127.6M) - 3M
2022 - 06M (133.6M) - 3M
2023 - 03M (136.6M) - 3M
Huh?
What else has Insomniac made that has sold this much in so short a time period?
Of course it is, afaik...?
You are wrong. Psx sold more than Wii.Looks like PS4 is going to pass the Wii this year and become the second best selling home console of all time after the PS2, with the original PS in third.
Actually 101.63 to 102.49 but sure you can 'round' it to 101 vs 105 if you like.
I was saying Spidey is their most successful game by a significant margin given the time between now and its release.
PS2 sold over 155 million consoles worldwide in its lifetime, so PS4 would have to sell more than 60 million additional consoles to reach PS2 level.
Actually 101.63 to 102.49 but sure you can 'round' it to 101 vs 105 if you like.
based on what ?IGN just had a video yesterday and said Wii at 101m and PSX at 102m.
Looks like PS4 is going to pass the Wii this year and become the second best selling home console of all time after the PS2, with the original PS in third.
I get those numbers from Sony and Nintendo.
They haven't officially retired it, but they aren't producing it anymore.Why would sony suddenly retire a profitable system that's still selling 4 million units a year? They haven't even officially retired the Vita, and that thing sold only around 15 million units over about 7 years.
These things are just found on WIkipedia with their sources:
I think PlayStation 5 launch will affect PlayStation 4 sales more than that. Something like:I think PS4 will surpass 130M.
2019 - 16M (107.6M) - 2M
2020 - 12M (118.6M) - 4M
2021 - 09M (127.6M) - 3M
2022 - 06M (133.6M) - 3M
2023 - 03M (136.6M) - 3M
I get those numbers from Sony and Nintendo.
They are the official final shipment numbers from Sony and Nintendo
I asume you've used some chartz, and even then rounded Wii down and PS1 up lol.
Edit:
https://web.archive.org/web/20120609161621/http://scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps_e.html
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/hard_soft/index.html
It is a webarchive page from 10 years ago. Sony's current reporting can be found here:good, nintendo numbers seems really up to date but sony report is no longer updated since 10 years now sadly
If you read the page, PS1 sold nothing from March 2005. It was officially discontinued in March 2006.good, nintendo numbers seems really up to date but sony report is no longer updated since 10 years now sadly
PS3 never really 'turned it around' they just doubled down on the massive losses and helped it sell mediocre for a long time.It is a webarchive page from 10 years ago. Sony's current reporting can be found here:
https://www.sie.com/en/corporate/data.html
But it is worthless since they wanted to hide the terrible PS3 performance and they never fixed that once the PS3 turned around.
"Sell mediocre" how is releasing a year late with a $599 price and still managing to sell +80 million and reaching competition is mediocre exactly? On units alone PS3's performance was great.PS3 never really 'turned it around' they just doubled down on the massive losses and helped it sell mediocre for a long time.
See here for the best figures we have:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-there-a-trend-of-3rd-consoles-failing.65920/page-3#post-12211572
"Sell mediocre" how is releasing a year late with a $599 price and still managing to sell +80 million and reaching competition is mediocre exactly? On units alone PS3's performance was great.
PS3 never really 'turned it around' they just doubled down on the massive losses and helped it sell mediocre for a long time.
In units, yes. But it had been generating losses for how long? Four consecutive years? I'm not sure whether this is only consoles+digital or retail discs as well - maybe somebody could clarify?
Ah this thing: yeah, that was the loss of the entire division. But that would include R&D and things like that as well.Sorry, bad wording. What I meant was that hardware losses were so huge that they had to sell a lot of games to get even. No mentioning being in the black. We had this chart showing PlayStation division revenue since PS1 but I can't find it...
For those wondering, PS4 was at 76 million on March 31st, 2018
In units, yes. But it had been generating losses for how long? Four consecutive years? I'm not sure whether this is only consoles+digital or retail discs as well - maybe somebody could clarify?
Mediocre is probably a bit harsh, but certainly middling or 'just decent'. Especially in a generation where 500 million consoles were sold, its market share was very low."Sell mediocre" how is releasing a year late with a $599 price and still managing to sell +80 million and reaching competition is mediocre exactly? On units alone PS3's performance was great.
PS3 lost possibly as much as ten billion dollars. Nobody plans for that.The ps3 generating huge losses was planned from the beginning. Sony took a gamble that taking a bath on it to push Blu Ray and the Cell processor would pay off in the long run.
Yes they did, it was poorly designed as a console, they rushed in a GPU because Cell wasn't enough, and it ended up it cost more 99% of games looked worse than on the cheaper 360.All of these things contributed to the losses of the ps3, but none really reflect poorly on it as a gaming device.
No, Game Boy and DS also sold much more. And GBA and 3DS are damn close too, and all four made buckets of money instead of losing billions (same with PSP too most likely which also got close).The 360 only managed to "about tie" it despite an extra year on the market, equivalent performance and a way lower price point. No other system not named "playstation" or "wii" outsold it, and those two werent by much.
This was indeed smart and set them up to have some momentum that continued with the PS4, and when Microsoft and Nintendo both royally screwed up they ended up cleaning up.Finally, we can't overlook that the way Sony continued to support the ps3 with great software well into the twilight years of that system while nintendo and MS were experiencing software droughts had a lot to do with the high amount of goodwill the ps4 received at launch. Sony had proven with the ps3 that they were still hyper focused on quality games for their base even in the worst of circumstances.
I said wow. Really puts things into perspective. Congrats to Sony and Insomniac on the success
Yeah since God of War they have been on a roll this year.I would say it's not all Spiderman that helped take it from 70 million to 90. God of war did good numbers in console sales that I believe they made a forcast later in the summer saying they had 86 Million units sold.
PS1 sold more than Wii... anyways I don't doubt that PS4 will surpass both to become 2nd highest selling console ever
You need to add the Nintendo DS which is just behind PS2.That's insane.... So the top 3 selling consoles of all time will be PS2 PS4 PS1 with the Switch taking one of those spots later on probably.
Mediocre is probably a bit harsh, but certainly middling or 'just decent'. Its best year was 14 million sold.
PS2 had SIX better years than PS3's best year.
DS sold over 30 million two years in a row, and had five years higher than PS3's best year.
Wii had four years higher than PS3's best year.
PS3 and 360's final totals vastly benefited from the generation's home console winner dropping off a cliff due to no third party support to carry its tail as first party shifted to next gen (completely unique for any generational winner) and a Microsoft/Sony cold war at the end of the generation. Both delayed their next consoles to try and recoup some of their losses. And so had 2-3 extra years without a new generation. No other consoles in history have been on the market without a new competitor for so long, even the stillborn Wii U was 2012, 6/7 years after the PS3/360, and it was 7/8 years between PS360 and PS4Bone, unheard of lengths.
As such, it had seven years as the latest Playstation. PS3 sold from crap to 'okay', but over an elongated period.
And by official figures the 360 outsold the PS3, the closest we have to final totals is 83.8M PS3 to 84M 360. Anything else is guesses, not data.
PS3 lost possibly as much as ten billion dollars. Nobody plans for that.
Yes they did, it was poorly designed as a console, they rushed in a GPU because Cell wasn't enough, and it ended up it cost more 99% of games looked worse than on the cheaper 360.
So? We're comparing console sales, not 'taking into account all circumstances and making excuses as to why one didn't sell as much.'This is disingenous. The PS2 didn't launch at the equivalent of $750. The PS3 was NEVER going to hit PS2 level sales and Sony knew this when launching it. It was simply too expensive with far more competition than the PS2 had. Sony knew this, and saying that "Well, the PS2 had six better years than the PS3's" means nothing. The PS2 sold 50 million more units than the most similar system to it. Nothing has come close to selling what that thing did, with the possible exception of the PS4- but that remains to be seen.
Again, making up new rules as you go along. We are talking hardware sales.Home consoles and Handhelds do not have similar business models AT ALL. Handhelds sell one per person, not one per household. This is why handheld tie ratios for software are nowhere NEAR console tie ratios- the business model is different. The DS despite it's unit sales being close to the PS2 got blown out of the water by the PS2's software sales- 1.6 Billion units of software sold vs. less than 900m. the two aren't close at all.
Wow. You truly have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.You know what else outsold the DS handily in software for the platform? The PS3, at about 970 million units of software. PS3 software also outsold the Wii (960m units) despite selling fewer systems, and easily outclassed every gameboy ever- the original Gameboy by almost double (500m) and the GBA by almost TRIPLE (377m).
Profits come from software, not console hardware, So if you're going to talk about "failures" and "mediocre sales" the PS3 isn't in the conversation. It destroys every system Nintendo ever made in terms of software sold. The only things that outsold it were the 360 and the PS2.
I think it will last for another year, that the drop won't be that dramatic due to price drop and being able to sell it in emerging markets and to families. Im addition to this I'd add another million to 2019 and 2020 since I think PS5 won't be released until Nov. 2020.It probably will have a huge dropoff after 2020 due to the PS5. I'm expecting:
2019: 15-16 million
2020: 12-14 million
2021: 6-7 million
2022+2023: 3-4 million
Then retired.
Lower end LTD: 127, Upper end: 132
Mediocre is probably a bit harsh, but certainly middling or 'just decent'. Especially in a generation where 500 million consoles were sold, its market share was very low.
Switch is unique. The price is more home console like but the form factor / value proposition is totally new. Pretty hard to fit the Switch in one category.Nah, I'm talking about consoles. Maybe the switch doesn't count as a console but a portable.